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(33,643 posts)Journeyman
(15,038 posts)electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)adorable 🥰 kitties IS self-care! 😁
Don't discount all the people learning things on line!
I further my Art, and Craft making on line.
Love looking at cities, and the countrysides, of places I'll never be able to afford to visit!
Recipies!
Following NASA!
More contact with government (good and bad).
I rest my case. 👍
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)Thanks to the internet, folks read more and that is a good thing.
rsdsharp
(9,196 posts)was professional wrestling. 🤼♀️
wnylib
(21,586 posts)in sit coms, where the mothers mopped floors wearing flouncy full skirt dresses and high heels and fathers had infinite wisdom and patience with children.
csziggy
(34,137 posts)wnylib
(21,586 posts)like Leave it to Beaver, were serious about how women dressed and men interacted with children, even though they were comedy shows.
csziggy
(34,137 posts)In fact I almost never saw Leave it To Beaver until it went into syndication.
With four daughters, she raised us to be practical and not stylish. Sure some of us turned out with a good sense of style, but not me. My idea of dressing up is to wear my good jeans with a tee shirt that has a nice picture on it.
yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)and other similar shows. We never watched either show or pretty much any show depicting the woman all dressed up for church to do housework.
She also despised The Honeymooners and I Love Lucy (she hated Lucy because she was so scheming and manipulative)
wnylib
(21,586 posts)He was so obnoxious.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)wnylib
(21,586 posts)Upthevibe
(8,069 posts)I LOVED that show:
Mary Hartman....Mary Hartman.....!
csziggy
(34,137 posts)I loved Benson's character most out of that show, I think.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)children.
wnylib
(21,586 posts)in the 50s. But which shows showed Blacks as employees of the white families?
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)the shows. I think "Beaulah" was one of them.
wnylib
(21,586 posts)I heard of it. There were movies that showed Black employees of white families, but I don't remember TV sitcoms from the 50s that did. In fact, those sitcoms were so white that you'd think there was noone in the country back then who wasn't white.
Marcuse
(7,506 posts)He began his career in Radio and in 1937, Anderson made what was supposed to be a one-shot appearance on the The Jack Benny Program. The audience loved his droll humor and he became a regular member of the cast and the first black performer to acquire a regular part on radio. The show easily made the transition to early television and as "Rochester van Jones", known simply as "Rochester", Anderson constantly deflated Benny's pomposity with a high-pitched, incredulous, "What's that, boss?"
The high esteem in which the two actors held each other was evident upon Benny's death in 1974, in which a tearful Anderson, interviewed for television, spoke of Benny with admiration and respect.
By 1942, he was earning $100,000 a year and for a time was the highest-paid Black actor in Hollywood. Anderson invested his money wisely and became extremely wealthy.
wnylib
(21,586 posts)But I was talking about sitcoms, with a family setting and story line, not stand up comedy routines.
There's no question that, when Blacks WERE portrayed in films, it was usually not flattering.
The film, Casablanca, was made in the early 40s, but the relationship between Rick and the pianist, Sam, is a boss-employee one. If you've seen it, have you noticed that Ilse, Rick's former girlfriend, recognizes Sam at the piano when she enters the club, and to confirm it, she asks someone who the "boy" at the piano is?
There are many movies like that right up through the 50s, but the TV sitcoms of the 50s were lily white.
Marcuse
(7,506 posts)It was, quite literally, a whitewash: "Television was the place where one found definitively normal families," Nadel writes, "and no black children were to be found in that excessively normal world."Nadel, 58, argues that the absence of blacks on television shaped Americans' view of their country and the rest of the world. The denial reached backward too: Would you know from your favorite TV western of yesteryear that up to a quarter of the cowboys were black?
As Nadel lays out in his book, the federal government's decision in the late 1930s to put nascent broadcast television on the VHF bandwidth, rather than the broader UHF, limited the number of frequencies available in a given market, thus constricting the variety of channels -- and choices.
Going with the UHF band, Nadel said, would have created more channels and "would have made diversity possible." Television was thus limited to the Big Four networks: CBS, NBC, ABC and Dumont, which disappeared after the 1954-55 season.
Another major change came in 1952, when a freeze on broadcast TV licenses was lifted; many of the new stations were located in the South, where it was perceived viewers might not be as accepting of minority faces on television. Nadel said that if Desi Arnaz of "I Love Lucy" had "not been a light-skinned Latin, [the show] was a non-starter."
Television did not become more diverse until the 1970s. Again, Nadel said, the reasons were economic. While TV in its infancy was a luxury item, by the 1970s the opposite was true. Had early television gone a different route and shown America a more diverse image of itself, the racial divide that still divides the nation might be narrower.
"There would have been more of a possibility that American people would have been more aware of one another, less scared of one another," Nadel said.[link:https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2005-12-28-0512270255-story.html|
wnylib
(21,586 posts)the only thing available on our TV. In our city, that meant NBC. There was sn ABC station, but reception of it was poor, with a lot of static and "snow" so we only watched NBC. Later, still in the 1950s, a CBS station was available on UHF but a TV antenna on the roof was necessary for reception. A few kids at school had it before we did.
There was a diversity, of sorts. Lots of Native Americans, called Indians then, on westerns, depicted as evil savages, out to kill the innocent, good white folks pouring into their lands. Except the Lone Ranger's sidekick, Tonto. It was only when I took some Spanish classes that I learned that, in Spanish, the word tonto means stupid, foolish. I don't know if it has any other meaning in any other language.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)"Ward, I think you were a little hard on the Beaver last night."
(Or perhaps I misinterpreted June's admonition to her hubby.
wnylib
(21,586 posts)Without problems in a story, you don't have a plot.
But the behavior and clothing of the characters were not true to everyday life for most people. The problems were canned, and were always resolved by the end of the show, usually with references to what the children or parents had learned from the experience.
Crunchy Frog
(26,629 posts)ARPad95
(1,671 posts)LakeArenal
(28,837 posts)The sexist mans world where women wore pearls to do housework.
I think they would be amazed at how spoiled we all are. Especially kids.
ie....Kids are on spring break. In Florida. No masks. Who is paying for that now and in 14 days?
karynnj
(59,504 posts)I was born in 1950 and know that my beautiful mother did not dress up to do housework.
wnylib
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and the Ozzie and Harriet Show - Women wore dresses, pearls, and high heels when mopping floors, cooking, etc. Men usually wore suits, but occasionally just casual pants and dress shirts.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)I would bet that most women wearing pearls and heels had someone else to do the housework.
I do agree that people dressed up when they left home. Even a visit one town over to see my grandparents was done with all of us kids dressed up - the girls in dresses - and my mom in a dress or a pretty blouse and skirt and my dad in a suit.
wnylib
(21,586 posts)and not at home. That's why I was making fun of it.
But, it's also true as you say, that people dressed up more (just not when doing housework). I remember that, on a hot summer day, I was waiting in shorts for a date to pick me up for a movie in a downtown theater. My mother ordered me to put on a dress, or at least a skirt and blouse.
Family church attendance was more common then, too, and Chistmas and Easter meant a new outfit, followed by family picture taking in our "finery." In my teens, that meant a matched or color coordinated suit, heels, and purse, with a color coordinated coat, hat, and gloves. Gloves for the Easter spring suit, too, and the length of the gloves depended on the length of the suit sleeves.
We were not a well off family, but imitated the form because that's just how it was. We usually ate in the kitchen, but dinner for holidays was in the dining room, with a linen tablecloth and napkins, the "good set" of dishes and glasses, candles, etc. And nobody dared come to the table without being properly dressed for the occasion. My mother did the prep work in an old housedress and flat shoes, but changed before we sat down to eat.
I enjoy today's informality, but sometimes miss the way that special days were marked as special.
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)were realistic! My mother wore dresses her whole life; she disliked slacks, although she had some. I have one photo of her in jeans - on a cookout picnic! She must have worn those one time!
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Spring abreak in full bloom by 1960
LakeArenal
(28,837 posts)mobeau69
(11,156 posts)Time machine stuff.
housecat
(3,121 posts)locks
(2,012 posts)got married in 1951 and I'm still around.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Ilsa
(61,697 posts)Ilsa
(61,697 posts)localroger
(3,629 posts)"If you publish this paper Computable Numbers you will be known forever for your work leading to the creation of these devices, but this is what they will be ultimately used for..." Does Alan still publish the paper?
whistler162
(11,155 posts)what we would do with her idea she would have forgotten it before writing it down.
EarlG
(21,965 posts)when I realized that the paragraph I was reading would have been completely indecipherable to anyone from ten years ago, let alone from the 1950s (and I realize that it will also be completely indecipherable to a lot of folks who read this post, but at least I understand what it means).
Here's the paragraph in question:
What I love so much about this paragraph is not just the completely nonsensical use of language, but the way it off-handedly mentions "the insurrection at the Capitol Building" in the middle of it.
Imagine showing that to anyone -- even a gamer -- from ten years ago, and telling them that this is a paragraph from a mainstream gaming site from ten years in the future. It's completely baffling!
By the way, the article this paragraph comes from is titled, "Twitch Viewers Elect Meme Lizard As New Permanent Pogchamp"
Towlie
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Irish_Dem
(47,326 posts)I have to ask her for a translation, especially when it come to technology or pop culture.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,109 posts)Towlie
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I use mine to Play Spider Solitaire.
misanthrope
(7,422 posts)Humans now are what we've long been. We have better tools but most of us are simply used to them. We don't truly understand them.
The average person can use a light switch but could they build one from scratch or even explain the principles behind it? Not likely.
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)Donkees
(31,451 posts)''The world is entering a sixth mass extinction''
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/10/911500907/the-world-lost-two-thirds-of-its-wildlife-in-50-years-we-are-to-blame
Harker
(14,033 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,894 posts)The kinds of things that show up on TV and in movies would be shocking and/or incomprehensible. Things like the relatively casual acceptance of the entire LGBTQ spectrum. Heck, the very large TV screens most people have anymore, plus that they are almost all flat, would be mind-boggling.
The ubiquitousness of fast food and chain restaurants. People wearing pajamas in public.
Other than Queen Elizabeth still being on the throne, not a single political figure from the 1950s is still around. Oh, and if this visitor from the 1950s is a Republican, they would be horrified at the current state of the Republican Party. If a Democrat, somewhat less so about the Democratic Party.
This is actually the kind of thing I think about a lot. I wish I were a better writer, because I'd love to write a time-travel story about someone from now going back to, say 1975 or maybe even 1985 and then spending the rest of the story going nuts because of no cell phones, no internet.
Irish_Dem
(47,326 posts)They lived to see automobiles and airplanes.
Yes for those living in the 1950's, sexuality, technology, clothing, fast food would all be amazing.
Women's rights, civil rights would all be new to them.
I was thinking about men who used to wear a suit and tie to go to a ball game.
And we all dressed up to get on an airplane.
My daughter and I like to talk about what life will be like when she is old and has grandchildren.
All the things she thinks are so new and modern now will then seem ancient. Gee grandma, people weren't going to Mars when you were young? God you must be so old grandma.
Ha, a few years ago I was waiting to get my hair done and a young boy was waiting for his mother to finish up with her hair cut. He started watching me play a game on my Iphone. We got to talking and I told him we didn't have these kind of phones when I was his age. He told me that one thing always confused him about the old days, why did people hang their phones on the wall and had cords so you could not walk around with them. I tried to explain things but it just did not make sense to him.
locks
(2,012 posts)I was in college and got married in 1951. Many women I knew were working hard for civil and women's rights, working out of the home and as they moved into the 60s and 70s spent more time teaching their children to be political and work for education and peace.
Irish_Dem
(47,326 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)was born before the auto and lived to see man land on the moon.
Irish_Dem
(47,326 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)just a few days shy of her 102nd birthday. So much happened in her lifetime.
cars, airplane, her brothers went to WW1 and my dad to WW2.
Space travel, moon landing.
When she was born, women could not vote.
Running water in the home, electricity and gas or electric heat were only for the well off; fireplaces for heat and wood stoves for cookingwere normal; water came from the cistern or was carried in buckets from a well and if you had enough money you had a hand pump on the kitchen sink. My grandparents, great grandmother and a couple of aunts heated with fire places or coal burning stoves - even after other methods of heat became easily available, most folks had at least one room with a working fireplace for the really cold part of the year.
nuxvomica
(12,439 posts)What's remarkable as that the two are so cleanly separated, and exaggerated. What's more a depiction of innocence than a kitten at play, or of corruption than Qanon discussions? I think the extremism would be overwhelming to someone from the 1950s, when extremists were hidden or ignored.
yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)24 hour news broadcasts
JI7
(89,262 posts)On the technological side they probably wouldn't be too surprised other than seeing we still don't have flying cars.
But they might be surprised by the social changes .
And maybe end of the cold war. Rap music . The way people dress . Especially how casual it is . Birth control and the changes that brought about . End of legal segregation. What most people in most large cities look like and how they are Americans and not foreigners visiting.
Irish_Dem
(47,326 posts)I would not have guessed that an authoritarian, anti-democratic wave would hit this country.
I guess I was hoping for a more Star Trek like future.
homegirl
(1,433 posts)Radio Watch seemed an impossible achievement.
Because of my mother's poor vision we didn't get a TV until the late 1950's when 24" TV became available.
My brother in law had a mobile phone that was as big as a shoe box!
I moved to Europe, every time I came home for a visit I brought pantyhose for my mother and sister. Not available in the USA.
electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,449 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,317 posts)and how do they go so fast with such small engines?
locks
(2,012 posts)and you could park at the grocery
Mr.Bill
(24,317 posts)so they would be lighter and be more aerodynamic to get better gas mileage, which was mandated and could be built with less raw materials. Huge change in materials, also, such as aluminum engines instead of cast iron. And yes, the parking was an added benefit. Even though they made parking spaces smaller, they can now park more cars in the same area.
lame54
(35,317 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)wnylib
(21,586 posts)No more USSR, but a Russia that's an even greater threat to national security and a Republican party that is complicit with that.
Telecommunications that let you see people as you talk with them.
Conversations online by anyone with anyone, anywhere in the world, including celebrities and public office holders.
Streaming movies and music on small electronic devices, but with a decline in the quality of musical sound from what vinyl records had.
Women holding credit cards in their own names.
Women as mayors, governors, Senators and House members, and a racially mixed woman as VP with a white second gentleman.
The amount of free speech and casual use of "forbidden words."
Self-driving cars no longer science fiction.
Legal abortions.
A former, two term Black president.
Profit-driven privatization of the military, prisons, and other public services.
Congressional members carrying guns into the Capitol.
The White House fenced in and the Capitol building fenced off and protected by National Guard troops.
Voice-driven home lighting, music, etc.
Girls wearing slacks and jeans to school (when it's open).
Everything powered by computers, from phones to banks, hospital records, and atomic power and the danger of being hacked.
FakeNoose
(32,726 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,326 posts)Child centered parenting would be a surprise. I remember being told children are to be seen and not heard.
Of course that never stopped me from speaking out.
electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,326 posts)Who refused to abide by a legal election.
That would have shocked the people of 1950.
electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)electric_blue68
(14,932 posts)Deacon Blue
(252 posts)Still around, resurgent even. Been collecting since the early 80s, focus on the pre-digital corruption of recorded sound.
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,326 posts)tavernier
(12,396 posts)and tell him to wear condoms every time because Freddie Mercury should not die young. ❤️❤️❤️
Kablooie
(18,641 posts)jmowreader
(50,562 posts)In the 1950s they had two presidents: a Democrat who forged an international military alliance, and a Republican who kept the top income tax rate at 92 percent to punish war profiteers.
The most difficult thing to explain to them about life today is how an adulterer became the standardbearer of the Republican Party.
BarbD
(1,193 posts)We had one heavy, black Bell telephone in our house. My mother was always yelling at me to "Get off the phone".
In my wildest dreams I couldn't imagine having my very own phone.
dragonlady
(3,577 posts)Maybe that's why your mother was like that.
hunter
(38,325 posts)I don't know how many homes shared the line but if you picked up the phone intending to make a call and heard someone talking you'd hang the phone right back up again.
As children we simply weren't allowed to use the phone without permission from our parents, even as teenagers. Maybe especially as teenagers. The phone was on the wall in the kitchen. In our big family there was never any privacy.
At my great grandma's house all the neighboring ranches for miles around shared a single phone line. They used the old wooden phones with cranks. When you turned the crank the bells on every phone on the line would ring. You identified who the call was intended for by the pattern of rings, but anyone could pick up. To make longer distance calls you called the operator who had her own ring pattern and lived in a small town thirty miles down the line.
yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)like Ernestine on Laugh In with all those cords and stuff. She knew EVERYTHING first. She knew my mother was pregnant with my sister before my father did because of the call from the doctor's office.
I think I was maybe 5 when we got telephone lines and no longer had an operator; we were in the country and had party lines up until the 60s.
dragonlady
(3,577 posts)Now we read that a local call will require the area code plus the 7-digit number. That will go into effect in October, according to the Milwaukee newspaper.
BarbD
(1,193 posts)Although, when caught, we were properly chastised.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)On my 16th Birthday, my Sister had turned 13 the day before....we both got our own phones but of course it was all on the same family line.
I am barely old enough to remember Party Lines.
I moved to where I now live about 20 years ago, there was still a Blockbuster in the Shopping Center near me, renting Video Tapes. I had a flip phone but my main phone was a landline.
Who knows what 2041 will be like, hope I am still here to experience it.....I think.
Dagstead Bumwood
(3,650 posts)or even born until the following decade, but if I had to venture a guess on what would most astonish someone from that time, I'd have to say it would be people's attitudes about two things: gambling and pornography.
In the past 60+ years, they've gone from being "dirty" activities that are looked down upon to becoming downright mainstream. My family regarded gambling as a sin, as did many, yet casinos are popping up like pharmacies, and online gambling is exploding. And porn? Gens Y and Z are all to happy to photograph themselves nude and engaged in all manner activities, and then rush to share it with the rest of the world.
I believe the acceptance and participation in those two activities would be most shocking. Hell, I find it hard to believe at times.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)One of my favourite Interwebs quotes of all time.
But, lest we snicker too convincingly, we should remember that one of the very best parts of Sundays around here is SEC' LOLCats.
hunter
(38,325 posts)None of them lived into the 21st century.
Wanting nothing to do with the dairy business, one of my grandmas and her sister ran wild in 1920's Hollywood. She had friends who were homosexuals, Jewish, Black, Asian... My siblings and I met some of them when we were children. She married a handsome Army Air Corp mechanic who'd joined the Army to get the hell out of Wyoming. It wasn't his dream to be a rancher, miner, or shopkeeper. After World War II he was an engineer working in the aerospace industry. A lot of his work was secret Cold War stuff he didn't talk about, but he was immensely proud of work he did for the Apollo Project.
My other grandma was one of the few women who continued working after World War II. She was a welder. She must have been good at it, and damned tough. My other grandpa was a skinny-dipping "bohemian" in the language of the day. He was a welder too. During World War II he got beat up by the cops for protesting the internment of his Japanese neighbors. These grandparents were Pacifists but had largely rejected the religions that brought them there.
My parents are artists, very much at home in the modern world. They use cell phones, they've been enthusiastic guests at gay marriages, and their friends are cosmopolitan. They were always artists with day jobs but became full time artists when they retired. In the 'fifties my dad was a nearsighted Radar O'Reilly medical clerk at risk of serving in the Korean Conflict but he was never sent overseas.
yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)and friendships among the various races. Integrated schools in many areas, TV programs featuring black families as the main characters and not "the help' or the bad guy
Walking into an examining room at a new doctor's office and your new doctor is black, South Asian, Vietnamese or
Especially where I grew up. Back then if a black man even got within 6 feet of a white woman he risked repercussions if anyone knew about it.
BarbD
(1,193 posts)But, for most people it meant someone marrying outside of their religion. Heaven forbid a Catholic married a Protestant -- which is exactly what I did.
TrogL
(32,822 posts)I got totally bamboozled when my garage door emailed me demanding a new battery and knew which one. I have better luck opening my garage door with my phone than the remote or push button.
pfitz59
(10,389 posts)My mom had an agitator washer with a ringer on it. Wet clothes were hung to dry. The phone was a party line. TV black and white, and we only had 3 channels. There were no zip codes. Records were mono. Sputnik was the only satellite in space. My mom had to sign her checks with my dad's name. My Dad drove a Nash, and my mom a Rambler. School dress codes required below-the-knee dresses or skirts and blouses for girls. Slacks and collared shirts for boys. No jeans or t-shirts. All the boys expected to get drafted at 18, and girls expected to marry young and be a housewife. The Russkis and Commie China were enemies. We did 'duck and cover' drills because nuclear war was coming. The Civil Defense siren was tested weekly. Seatbelts were non-existent. Cigarettes filter-less. We all liked Ike. Every race, religion and ethnic group had a derogatory nick-name, which was spoken as easily, and often. Yep, different times...