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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,212 posts)
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 03:00 PM Mar 2021

Psaki says few White House staffers ousted due to marijuana policy

The White House on Friday sought to downplay the number of staffers whose jobs have been derailed by their prior cannabis use.

A Daily Beast article published Thursday reported that “dozens of young White House staffers have been suspended, asked to resign, or placed in a remote work program” because of admissions of prior marijuana use.

White House press secretary Jen Psaki said that fewer than a half dozen people had fully lost their jobs after disclosing marijuana use.

“The bottom line is this: of the hundreds of people hired, only five people who had started working at the White House are no longer employed as a result of this policy,” she wrote in a two-part message on Twitter.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/psaki-says-few-white-house-staffers-ousted-due-to-marijuana-policy/ar-BB1eL3xt?li=BBnbfcQ&ocid=DELLDHP

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Psaki says few White House staffers ousted due to marijuana policy (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2021 OP
interesting. ColinC Mar 2021 #1
just like that? not given a warning first? IcyPeas Mar 2021 #2
If it's tied to security clearances, there are warnings built into the process. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #6
Still a stupid policy that benefits nobody. ZZenith Mar 2021 #3
Actually it benefits the alcohol makers questionseverything Mar 2021 #15
Who will watch out for the alcohol makers?! ZZenith Mar 2021 #16
Biden has never been pro legalization questionseverything Mar 2021 #17
Recreational use of alcohol is legal, as long as you are an adult. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #18
And biden has the power to change this Calculating Mar 2021 #25
Actually, he doesn't. It is a law - Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #26
Nixon got it scheduled in group 1 without congress Calculating Mar 2021 #27
Its halfway between - Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #28
He could certainly say it wont be enforced MichMan Mar 2021 #29
He can certainly deprioritize prosecution of the law. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #30
What's the Daily Beast's agenda? lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #4
So 'OMG!! DOZENS!" is actually 5 people. Budi Mar 2021 #5
I'd they failed to disclose on their security clearance Phoenix61 Mar 2021 #7
Suspect this is what happened. meadowlander Mar 2021 #8
Precisely, do not lie. Polly Hennessey Mar 2021 #10
It depends on the job. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #19
"....there were additional factors at play..." chowder66 Mar 2021 #9
The Original Story Failed to Disclose There Were "Other Factors" Involved Besides Marijuana n/t Indykatie Mar 2021 #11
why is it ANYONE Skittles Mar 2021 #12
You mean that, of all the people in the White House, not one smoked a joint in college? JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2021 #13
Biden has never been pro legalization even though 70 percent of the country wants it questionseverything Mar 2021 #14
Somewhat misleading. Another article says that other factors were at play for some of the staffers. sciencescience Mar 2021 #20
I wonder what the other Cha Mar 2021 #21
If they were fired for something else, why mention marijuana at all? MichMan Mar 2021 #23
That's five too many Gruff B. Gus Mar 2021 #22
I saw reports that they were told past use was OK, so they admitted it MichMan Mar 2021 #24

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
6. If it's tied to security clearances, there are warnings built into the process.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 03:09 PM
Mar 2021

Almost surely, everybody in the WH needs at least a Secret clearance.

ZZenith

(4,128 posts)
16. Who will watch out for the alcohol makers?!
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 05:15 PM
Mar 2021

Who’s going to protect their profits?

I mean really, I get that if someone lies on their security clearance paperwork that’s a problem but if one didn’t and one comes from a state where it’s legal, where’s the issue? Unless you’re simply draconian in your attitude towards marijuana.

questionseverything

(9,660 posts)
17. Biden has never been pro legalization
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 05:26 PM
Mar 2021

His plan was decriminalize, which means fines and “treatment “

Leaving it to the states means mj users will always be criminals under federal law

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
18. Recreational use of alcohol is legal, as long as you are an adult.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 05:33 PM
Mar 2021

Recreatonal use of marijuana (and even medical use of marijuana) is a crime. Marijuana is a Schedule I drug (the same as heroin and LSD). No matter now many states legalize it, it is still (everywhere in the US) a federal crime.

Calculating

(2,957 posts)
25. And biden has the power to change this
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:01 PM
Mar 2021

I'll be disappointed if nothing is done about our ridiculously stupid federal mj laws.

Calculating

(2,957 posts)
27. Nixon got it scheduled in group 1 without congress
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:14 PM
Mar 2021

The federal drug schedules are an executive function

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
28. Its halfway between -
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 07:31 PM
Mar 2021

It can be changed either by Congress - or through an administrative process (which does give Biden more control over the process).

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
30. He can certainly deprioritize prosecution of the law.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 09:10 PM
Mar 2021

But that doesn't address the security issue - which is past violations of the law (whether you expect it to be enforced or not).

It's like using marijuana while you are on the medical ransplant list. There are medical reasons not to use it, but the main reason you get removed from the transplant list in most places if you use marijuana is that living with someone else's body part requires a willingness/ability to follow a medical regimen, even when it is inconvenient. If you can't/won't comply with the requirements pre-transplant, the chances that you will be able to comply with the requirements post-transplant are lower.

So the theory is that if you can't comply with the law when no one is trying to get you to bend the rules, you are less likely to comply with it when all sorts of people want to tempt you because of your access to the president.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
5. So 'OMG!! DOZENS!" is actually 5 people.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 03:09 PM
Mar 2021

GTFOutta here with that bullshit Daily Beast.

Psaki doesn't have to lie for drama & likes.

Phoenix61

(17,019 posts)
7. I'd they failed to disclose on their security clearance
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 03:11 PM
Mar 2021

paperwork and then later did disclose I’m not surprised they were let go.

meadowlander

(4,406 posts)
8. Suspect this is what happened.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 03:15 PM
Mar 2021

When my cousin was applying for an internship maybe ten years ago, he disclosed one off marijuana use on his security form and got the job anyway.

I don't think they care if the answer is yes. They care if you lie about it in a way that suggests it could later be used to blackmail you.

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
19. It depends on the job.
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 05:37 PM
Mar 2021

Because marijuana use is a federal crime, using it is an indication of a willingness to violate the law. If compliance with the law is an important criteria for the job, it is the use (not lying about it) that matters. Although lying about it creates separate problems on a federal form that is submitted under penalty of perjury.

chowder66

(9,081 posts)
9. "....there were additional factors at play..."
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 03:21 PM
Mar 2021

snip

“In an effort to ensure that more people have an opportunity to serve the public, we worked in coordination with the security service to ensure that more people have the opportunity to serve than would not have in the past with the same level of recent drug use,” Psaki said. “While we will not get into individual cases, there were additional factors at play in many instances for the small number of individuals who were terminated.”

Hundreds of aides in the 2-month-old Biden administration have cleared the suitability review by career staffers handling security issues. The White House has said there can be multiple factors for dismissals, including hard drug use. The marijuana policy has become less stringent under the Biden administration, allowing for up to 15 past uses in a year among White House staffers.

The broader federal government has also become somewhat more lenient, with the Office of Personnel Management releasing a memo that says a person should not be deemed unfit merely because of past marijuana usage. The seriousness of the use and the nature of the position will also be factors in judging new hires.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/5-white-house-staffers-lose-jobs-over-drugs-marijuana-use/2021/03/19/45f2402e-88cf-11eb-be4a-24b89f616f2c_story.html?outputType=amp

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,367 posts)
13. You mean that, of all the people in the White House, not one smoked a joint in college?
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 04:29 PM
Mar 2021

That seems strange and creepy. To this old bozo, anyway.

questionseverything

(9,660 posts)
14. Biden has never been pro legalization even though 70 percent of the country wants it
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 05:03 PM
Mar 2021

I just wonder how many votes we lose over it

Seems like a stupid hill to die on to me

MichMan

(11,974 posts)
24. I saw reports that they were told past use was OK, so they admitted it
Fri Mar 19, 2021, 06:44 PM
Mar 2021

and later got fired. If that is true, that almost seems like entrapment

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