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brooklynite

(94,624 posts)
Tue Mar 23, 2021, 03:21 PM Mar 2021

Trump, My Dad and the Rightward Shift of Latino Men

Washington Post

My dad’s politics wouldn’t be of much interest to the wider world, except that he’s part of a group that constituted one of the most puzzling footnotes to the 2020 election: Latinos who voted for Trump. Between 2016 and 2020, Trump improved his overall support among Latinos by four percentage points, while Biden’s support declined from Hillary Clinton’s by one point — and in some places the change was even more significant. In Florida, Biden won Latinos by just five points, a massive swing from Clinton’s 27-point margin in 2016. In Texas, Trump closed the margin among Latino voters by 10 points.

To many progressives, the trend was a shock — how could a president who so brazenly denigrated Latinos and immigrants actually increase his stock among those same voters? — but it was also a wake-up call. For a generation, Democrats have taken comfort in the assumption that long-term demographics were on their side: As America became less and less White, Democrats would enjoy an increasing advantage in national politics. The growing Latino vote was a — maybe the — linchpin of this thinking. Which means that if, in fact, Latinos are drifting from Democrats, it constitutes an emergency for the party, one that could haunt them in 2022, 2024 and beyond.

Drawing on a number of conversations with experts, plus two with my dad, I recently spent time trying to figure out why this was happening. There are no simple answers, but I was particularly intrigued by one subplot of the story of Latino voters: Nationally, Biden won Latino men by 23 points but Latinas by 39 points. In 2016, Clinton won Latino men by 31 points and Latinas by 44. In other words, Trump gained among both groups over four years, but he gained more among men. In some states, the 2020 gender disparity among Hispanic voters was quite dramatic. In North Carolina, Trump won Latino men by 20 points but lost Latinas by 54 points. In Nevada, Biden won Latino men by only six points but Latinas by 47 points. Why, I wondered, did Latino men seem to be shifting to the right? And what could Democrats do to win them back?

President Donald Trump speaks at the Latino Coalition Legislative Summit in Washington in March 2020. (Mark Wilson/Getty Images)
Writing about gender differences within the Latino vote is inherently thorny terrain. There’s a long-standing, racist stereotype that associates Latino men with machismo — and, as we all saw for the past six years, Trump’s political brand was built partly on an exaggerated macho sensibility. Ian Haney López, a law professor at the University of California at Berkeley, told me that there is a risk of reducing Latino men’s support of Trump to being about machismo — which takes “a pervasive social dynamic” and makes it into “an attribute of Latino culture.” “Patriarchy is a problem across racial groups,” he says, though he adds: “It’s also fair to say if you’re a man in a low-status group, masculinity may become more important to claiming high status.”

A better place to start might be jobs: what the experiences of men and women look like in the American economy right now, and how that might influence their thinking about politics. Stephanie Valencia of EquisLabs, a Democratic research firm that surveyed Latino voters in 11 states starting in 2019, says that, in the run-up to the election, they found plenty of men who had what she called “Trump intrigue.” “They see him as the successful businessman, and they see him as somebody who has built himself up from his bootstraps, even though we all know that’s not necessarily true,” she told me.
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Trump, My Dad and the Rightward Shift of Latino Men (Original Post) brooklynite Mar 2021 OP
Yikes.......those are some very puzzling polling numbers. WOW. a kennedy Mar 2021 #1
"Not necessarily true"?!? NOT AT ALL TRUE! raging moderate Mar 2021 #2
Interesting article. I hope Dem politicians are paying attention. scarletwoman Mar 2021 #3
yeah. 'man on the street' observations stopdiggin Mar 2021 #4
Aren't the 666koch666 bsers and other propagandists not fooled Mar 2021 #5
I'd loved to have seen some mention of religion, abortion, LGBTQ equality, racism... NullTuples Mar 2021 #6
Ding, ding, ding! LittleGirl Mar 2021 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author NullTuples Mar 2021 #13
This is why I think we need to raise the profile of evangelical anti-Catholicism JHB Mar 2021 #14
The idea has merit, in my opinion NullTuples Mar 2021 #15
Yeah, but they still don't consider Catholics Christian in their lights... JHB Mar 2021 #16
I agree. It also goes the other way, w/ Protestants not being "True Christians". NullTuples Mar 2021 #17
Obviously, but it's one thing to say someone is not a "true" Christian from your perspective... JHB Mar 2021 #18
That Latinos support the Ex is baffling. I'm always shocked to see how much support he has. Pepsidog Mar 2021 #7
Part Catholic conservatism, part just basic macho-ism in the cultures... Wounded Bear Mar 2021 #8
My opinion: people who have successfully immigrated to the US don't want the doors opened. erronis Mar 2021 #10
Is shouldn't be news that LatinX people come from countries with strong patriarchal systems. ancianita Mar 2021 #11
Big Point Missing DallasNE Mar 2021 #12

raging moderate

(4,307 posts)
2. "Not necessarily true"?!? NOT AT ALL TRUE!
Tue Mar 23, 2021, 04:10 PM
Mar 2021

Trump did NOT build himself up from his bootstraps! These men should realize that Donald Trump is a con man who is doing a CHEAP IMITATION of them!

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
3. Interesting article. I hope Dem politicians are paying attention.
Tue Mar 23, 2021, 04:27 PM
Mar 2021

From the article:

But one place that Democrats probably can’t go wrong is to focus relentlessly on jobs and the economy. (my bold) José Dante Parra, who previously worked for Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and President Barack Obama’s reelection campaign and is now chief executive of the communications firm ProsperoLatino, thinks this is the best way to reach Latino men. “Doubling down on those policies and messaging it to the community will really help us, in the long run, develop a narrative where Latino men feel that they’re being talked to,” he says. “The biggest thing for Latino men was jobs and the economy ... being usually the main breadwinners in the family.”

With Republican senators like Josh Hawley and Marco Rubio trying to rebrand the GOP as a “multiethnic, multiracial working-class coalition,” Democrats will need to call their bluff by laying out a clear agenda for working-class Americans. If Latino men see themselves as aspirational Americans who want to pick themselves up by the bootstraps, perhaps the best message is one that offers a way into the middle class and economic security.

stopdiggin

(11,320 posts)
4. yeah. 'man on the street' observations
Tue Mar 23, 2021, 05:04 PM
Mar 2021

have been telling this story for a long time. Latinix demographic (but especially male) -- not nearly as reliably Democratic leaning as once thought. Machismo, yes, but also lots of, "I work hard, and provide .. why should they ...? And other factors? But the real deal is -- the selling of Fox News (and others) -- as the real working class America. Hispanics are as vulnerable to propaganda as any other population.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
5. Aren't the 666koch666 bsers and other propagandists
Tue Mar 23, 2021, 05:36 PM
Mar 2021

taking over and broadcasting their swill from Spanish-language stations?

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
6. I'd loved to have seen some mention of religion, abortion, LGBTQ equality, racism...
Tue Mar 23, 2021, 05:44 PM
Mar 2021

Those are assumed to have influenced Latino/a/x votes, but now I'm wondering if there's a split by gender among those issues.

Starting in 2008, the Catholic Church began endorsing Republican candidates from the pulpit, in the bulletins, on YouTube, etc..

Polls seem to indicate though that only about half of Catholics are strongly anti-abortion & anti-LGBT (the two issues congregations have been told will "risk their eternal soul" if they vote incorrectly). I'd love to see how this breaks down demographically within Latino communities.

Response to LittleGirl (Reply #9)

JHB

(37,161 posts)
14. This is why I think we need to raise the profile of evangelical anti-Catholicism
Tue Mar 23, 2021, 10:35 PM
Mar 2021

Right wing evangelicals and right wing Catholics may have similar goals, but the long history of evangelical Protestants demonizing Catholics didn't disappear. Ralph Reed tried to build a Catholic wing/adjunct of the Christian Coalition, and couldn't do it. There was a culture clash he couldn't overcome.

Get evangelicals on film blurting out how "Catholics aren't Christian" and find ways to put that in front of Catholic audiences, particularly Latino/a audiences. Get politicians catering to the religious right on record answering the question "Are Catholics Christian?"

If they say "yes," they'll piss off a portion of evangelicals. If they so much as hesitate to say "yes", it'll piss off Catholics.

Drive wedges. Break up their voting blocs, just as they did to us in the 70s and 80s.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
15. The idea has merit, in my opinion
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 03:42 PM
Mar 2021

But as always the devil is in the details. American evangelicals seem much more accepting of say, the US Bishops than they let on, especially since the Church is by far the wealthiest organization on the planet, with the largest real estate holdings.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
16. Yeah, but they still don't consider Catholics Christian in their lights...
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 05:12 PM
Mar 2021

...but they like to do the slight-of-hand of implying that when they speak of "Christians" they mean all denominations, not just their own (or related Protestant denominations they won't fuss over).

A lot of Catholics simply aren't aware of the "Catholics aren't Christians" stuff, and they'll get pissed off about that kind of old, raw bigotry. Doubly so for Latino/a Catholics, since it's a reminder of other bigotries a lot of white evangelicals have against them.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
17. I agree. It also goes the other way, w/ Protestants not being "True Christians".
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 09:42 PM
Mar 2021

Thing is, each sect defines "Christianity". And since there can be no proof of who is right, every one of them is correct and all the others are doing it wrong and thus, "not true Christians".

JHB

(37,161 posts)
18. Obviously, but it's one thing to say someone is not a "true" Christian from your perspective...
Wed Mar 24, 2021, 09:53 PM
Mar 2021

...(hell, I can do that and I'm an atheist), but there's no equivalent of how some evangelicals will reflexively, baldly blurt out "Catholics aren't Christians" when you point out that some "Christian" thing of theirs isn't true of Catholics.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
8. Part Catholic conservatism, part just basic macho-ism in the cultures...
Tue Mar 23, 2021, 05:48 PM
Mar 2021

Having been involved with some Hispanics (married to Mexican women) I'm not necessarily surprised.

Throw in the propaganda aspect, as in repubs investing in Hispanic media the last few years, and Dems have some work to do.

Focus on jobs and the minimum wage and we might get more traction.

erronis

(15,306 posts)
10. My opinion: people who have successfully immigrated to the US don't want the doors opened.
Tue Mar 23, 2021, 06:02 PM
Mar 2021

Witness the French vs. English vs. Spanish back in the 1600-1700's.
Of course, the originals from around 13,000-17,000 years ago from Asia - the progenitors of the native Americans.
Then the Irish, Germans, Italians, Scandinavians, Chinese, from everywhere.

Even the Hispanics that have been here for a generation or two, or perhaps 30+ years.

Why would this be different?
"We made it. You need to make it yourself."

I realize this is simplistic and I also know that many communities support each other and new immigrants.

Perhaps those older established ones feel entitled, just like those WASPs.

ancianita

(36,109 posts)
11. Is shouldn't be news that LatinX people come from countries with strong patriarchal systems.
Tue Mar 23, 2021, 06:06 PM
Mar 2021

It shouldn't be news that they admire strong man rule, or even that those countries carry the racism of their Spanish and Portuguese forebears. It's not about just Trump intrigue, but their predilection for right wing politics as it shows up with strong men in the US. They don't even care how they got their money, or even that they're intelligent or moral, but that they just look "traditonal" and powerful, whether they really are or not.

Marco Rubio is counting on beating Cruz in gaining this new voter demographic in 2024.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
12. Big Point Missing
Tue Mar 23, 2021, 06:36 PM
Mar 2021

Too many rotten apple left wing dictators in Latin America. Trump played the hell out of this angle and it paid dividends. Dems can’t allow themselves to be tarred in this manner. Especially with Florida Cubans.

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