Rachel Maddow is massacring Senator Manchin about his credibility

[LiberalFighter]

with background checks on firearms. It is brutal.

[MyOwnPeace]

1. He REALLY needs to be

taken out behind the 'still' and have some 'good-ol'-boys' set him straight!

[monkeyman1]

20. about time to turn " good ol'boy's loose & smart 'n him up " in the wood shed !

[elleng]

2. Not a massacre, TRUTH.

[iluvtennis]

23. + agree. nt

[riversedge]

3. Manching got out of bed today and said WHAT CAN I OPPOSE TODAY? oh yah

[Celerity]

4. I have never seen her more upset with a Democrat, she is shredding him (rightly so)

[CatWoman]

5. all failure routes lead to Manchin

[TeslaNova]

6. He's a DINO

Reminds me of Lieberman.

[SCantiGOP]

34. But he could walk across the aisle

And Mitch would be Majority Leader tomorrow.

[Traildogbob]

42. I heard this tonight

And this fact needs to be considered.
He is in control. Sickening.

[femmedem]

7. "The Senate is broken."

I tuned in late, just caught the tail end of that segment, but she looked despairing.

[Celerity]

9. I thought she was going to start crying she was so upset, she was just burning

Never have seen her let down the guard that much about a Dem.

[malaise]

11. Seriously she's pissed

and she's right

[triron]

18. +1000

[femmedem]

13. Yes, my take exactly.

Also, I wanted to take a moment to tell you how much I appreciate all the information and the informed perspective you bring to DU.

[Celerity]

14. aww thanks femmedem!

[demtenjeep]

8. good

good

[malaise]

10. Just the Truth

Rec

[lordsummerisle]

12. k&r n/t

[vsrazdem]

15. She really let him have it and he deserved every bit of it.

[badhair77]

16. It's about time. He deserved every word.

And she had her facts straight. She backed up everything she said. Solid argument.

[msfiddlestix]

17. Yes and well deserved. It was also quite informative because I wasn't aware of Manchin's role in

in the failure to move forward in the Senate after Sandy Hook massacre. And today it is reported he is against background checks!!

[FoxNewsSucks]

19. I didn't know that either.

I was already disgusted enough with him, but to fuck up the response to Sandy Hook, I just don't know what to say.

If I said the truth, certain trolls would try to get this post removed.

There's no excuse for failing to, at a minimum, support background checks. The majority of the country does!

[msfiddlestix]

40. it's beyond bizarre. I see a defection to the republican party coming. Betcha he's been threatening

to do that with every bill, and confirmation. We have a dilemma keeping power in the Senate. Going to have to make some several wins next year. Big time. Until then, he's going to be gaming for the spotlight with everything we try to pass.

[dlk]

21. The problem is we only have 50 Democratic senators

If Manchin decides to cross the aisle, Mitch McConnell is back as majority leader. (It’s not a stretch to think McConnell has been encouraging Manchin’s defection). Then what happens to voting rights, an infrastructure bill and everything else in Biden’s agenda? Until more Democratic senators are elected, Democrats are in a very precarious position.

[RainCaster]

27. This is why DC needs to be a state

Like right fucking now.

[dlk]

29. Yesterday works for me

Unfortunately, however, I doubt Manchin will vote for statehood. He’s fully aware of how two new Democratic senators would dilute his newly found power.

[uponit7771]

33. +1

[Tommymac]

28. Manchin won't cross - he would have no chance being elected as a Rethug.

And the Dems can not primary him.

He is stuck in a political wasteland of his own making.

[dlk]

31. Given the Republican numbers in West Virginia

I could be wrong but I don’t see where Manchin would have any problem getting elected as a Republican.

[Tommymac]

32. Republicans in WVA hate him.

The Rethug Governor hates him.

He is not enough of a Qanonist to get elected in that state.

It's the same old story far right Dems always face...voters will not vote for Rethuglican lite when they can vote for the real thing.

[dlk]

35. You're right about Republicans going off the deep end

It’s hard to believe we live in the same country.

[msfiddlestix]

41. yeppers.

[FailureToCommunicate]

22. The clip of Manchin meeting with the Sandy Hook parents, and pretending to care...

was wrenching.

What the hell is his problem? Who has what hold over him? It can't just be the voters.

[seta1950]

24. She's right

Exactly what needed to be said , I would if I had her forum. Manchin is holding this country hostage to his ego😤😤😤😤

[William Seger]

25. Video

(Manchin takedown begins at about 7:12)

[monkeyman1]

26. he is not a dem. he is a political plant of the republican 's. face it ! ran as dem.

[marieo1]

30. Disgrace

Rachel is right on about Manchin................he needs to get out of politics - he is a disgrace to our country....

[notinkansas]

36. Really, Joe.

You really, really don't want to have Rachel mad at you.

I almost felt sorry for him for half a second. Then I didn't.

[Joinfortmill]

37. Contact Senator Manchin and tell him to act.

[BobTheSubgenius]

38. About time.

Perhaps this will be the start of a wake-up call for him. I certainly don't expect him to turn on a dime because of one bad rush of pushback, but I hope it's a beginning.

[SYFROYH]

39. Madow is surprisingly revisionist to the point of propoganda

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She blames Manchin for not building the coalition to pass gun control laws but I recall it was VP Biden’s job to build those coalitions and get gun control passed post Sandy Hook. Not a mention of Biden (eta: as failing to deliver on his mandate).

The AWB failed horribly (40-60) in the Senate with 15 Democrats voting against it.

The Manchin-Toomey background check law actually had the most votes with 54 for and 46 against. Manchin was the most successful of all the Democrats in that gun control effort.

Rachel needs to be fact checked by her people.

[Silver Gaia]

43. She did talk about Biden.

She did that before she mentioned Manchin.

[William Seger]

44. I think you missed the reference to Biden AND the point

Point being, with the filibuster rule in place, nobody could get anything done on gun control, despite watering down the bill to placate "conservative" gun nuts. Now, Manchin is again trying to convince Dems he can get stuff done if we placate "conservatives" by leaving the filibuster in place and backing off on stuff the American people clearly want.

[SYFROYH]

45. Yes, there was a larger point, but Madow framed Manchin as a misguided failure...

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when he came closest to reaching 60 votes on a background check law.

And yes she did discuss Biden in heroic terms for merely having laws proposed, but didn't describe him a failing to pass laws as she did with Manchin. I did originally missed her discussion of Biden because I misunderstood a note upthread that the Manchin take-down began at the 7 min mark.

[Tom Rinaldo]

48. Thank you for be willing to make an unpopular observation here

I love Rachel Madow, but over the years every once in a while I've noticed her drop any attempt to look at the whole picture when she is in the throes of a passionate political take down of someone. She can revert to becoming a propagandist for her personal viewpoint, and she can be ruthless while doing so. More than 9 times out of ten my own viewpoint completely aligns with her own while she is doing so, so even though I might notice the role she is playing I tend to look past it, though a small part of me usually still observes "Rachel's in political assassin mode."

The first time I strongly noticed this about Rachel was during the 2008 Democratic primaries, when she made little effort to veil her strong preference for Barack Obama while she negatively covered this or that thing about Hillary Clinton at the time.

[LAS14]

47. Well, I finally found a reply that gives me an opening to voice..

... my own, very unpopular, I'm sure, thinking last night. She kept insisting that Manchin's compromise would accomplish just a "tiny, tiny" bit of the bacckground checking that Biden wanted. I kept thinking, sixty percent of gunsales happened through licensed dealers, who have to do background checks. Of the remaining 40%, Manchin's proposal would cover gun shows and private sales. What's left uncovered? How could Manchin's proposal be a "tiny fraction" of what Biden wanted?

The statistcs are from Rachel's show.

tia
las

[SYFROYH]

49. yes, thank you for pointing that out. I don't think Madow remembered what Manchin-Toomey sought

If I recall correctly, the Manchin-Toomey version would have required background checks at gunshows and online sales.

So it had what many people called the family and friends exception.

It would have been a massive step forward.