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When your f*** up is literally big enough to be seen from space (Original Post) soothsayer Mar 2021 OP
Is the ship still stuck? Geez. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #1
As are 100 ships on either side of it. MissB Mar 2021 #2
OMG I had no idea. Irish_Dem Mar 2021 #4
Trillionaire didn't want anyone parking near his luxury Ship? StClone Mar 2021 #3
Ha! KT2000 Mar 2021 #17
Raise the water level by blocking the flow downstream from the ship? Eyeball_Kid Mar 2021 #5
I've transited the Suez 4 times and the level is the same. Kaleva Mar 2021 #10
The Suez Canal has no locks, so the level is NOT always the same. Towlie Mar 2021 #11
They would have to build coffer dams on both sides captain queeg Mar 2021 #20
Maybe dig a bypass around it. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #26
They should be asking the scientists who create anti-constipation remedies for help. Beakybird Mar 2021 #6
I am going to assume... jmowreader Mar 2021 #7
I was wondering something similar. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2021 #9
The experts think the ship is already damaged. Yanking on it may break it apart entirely Arazi Mar 2021 #25
Hopefully, security forces have checked the manifest Darwins_Retriever Mar 2021 #8
Not sure why people are busting on the ships operators so hard. chowder66 Mar 2021 #12
Yes, it was the weather. Strong winds hit the high pile of containers and acted as a "sail", BComplex Mar 2021 #13
They might also have cut in line soothsayer Mar 2021 #16
This is a REALLY big vessel gratuitous Mar 2021 #14
It's a standard Suezmax vessel. There are more than 500 of them in the world. Towlie Mar 2021 #19
Damn, 13 football fields long gratuitous Mar 2021 #22
There are apparently an even greater number of "Capesize" ships that are too big for the Suez Canal. Towlie Mar 2021 #23
I don't know where you played football. Bantamfancier Mar 2021 #24
Q says it is Hillarys' ship smuggling children. gibraltar72 Mar 2021 #15
Dads in Buick's - oh yeah. I can fit this in there. underpants Mar 2021 #18
Not great at arithmetic NQAS Mar 2021 #21

MissB

(15,810 posts)
2. As are 100 ships on either side of it.
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 12:20 PM
Mar 2021

NYT article yesterday said that the crude oil stuck on the route alone was equivalent to one day’s use.

It’ll back up an already backed up shipping situation. I just can’t imagine.

Irish_Dem

(47,131 posts)
4. OMG I had no idea.
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 12:22 PM
Mar 2021

For some reason I missed updates about this situation.
I thought it would get unstuck soon. Didn't even consider it was backing up the entire shipping system.

Thanks for the update!

StClone

(11,684 posts)
3. Trillionaire didn't want anyone parking near his luxury Ship?
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 12:22 PM
Mar 2021

So he took up all the spaces with this parking job. Hope somebody "keys" it.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
5. Raise the water level by blocking the flow downstream from the ship?
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 12:25 PM
Mar 2021

What I don't know is: Is there a "downstream" in the canal? If the gulf is at the same altitude as the Mediterranean, then there would be no flow, eh?

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
11. The Suez Canal has no locks, so the level is NOT always the same.
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 12:37 PM
Mar 2021

 


Wikipedia: Suez Canal

The water level rises and falls with the tide, so efforts to free the Ever Given are timed to account for that.

captain queeg

(10,208 posts)
20. They would have to build coffer dams on both sides
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 01:07 PM
Mar 2021

Then pump water into the enclosed area. It might come to that. Be a huge expense but tying up that amount of shipping is intolerable.

Beakybird

(3,333 posts)
6. They should be asking the scientists who create anti-constipation remedies for help.
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 12:25 PM
Mar 2021

The same principles are involved.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
7. I am going to assume...
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 12:28 PM
Mar 2021

...they can’t just back up two really big container ships to the southern end of the obstacle, tie on ropes and nail the gas.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,504 posts)
9. I was wondering something similar.
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 12:32 PM
Mar 2021

Seems like the stern could be pulled back and towards the center of the channel, the bow is probably deep into the sand.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
25. The experts think the ship is already damaged. Yanking on it may break it apart entirely
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 01:59 PM
Mar 2021

It's a mess

Darwins_Retriever

(853 posts)
8. Hopefully, security forces have checked the manifest
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 12:31 PM
Mar 2021

to see where the ship has been and where each container was picked up.

chowder66

(9,073 posts)
12. Not sure why people are busting on the ships operators so hard.
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 12:38 PM
Mar 2021

Wasn't it high winds and a sandstorm that caused this?

BComplex

(8,053 posts)
13. Yes, it was the weather. Strong winds hit the high pile of containers and acted as a "sail",
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 12:45 PM
Mar 2021

and turned the ship sharply.

But don't worry! There's no climate change involved in these types of winds!

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
14. This is a REALLY big vessel
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 12:48 PM
Mar 2021

It got sideways to its route, and from what I've seen, has chunked into the bank both fore and aft. I haven't seen a report about damage to the ship, but the frame of the ship has almost certainly been at least tweaked, and quite possibly compromised. Without a thorough inspection, the extent of damage is still an open question. Moving it might break the ship apart, and then there would be a helluva mess that could take months to clear.

My totally uninformed opinion is to mobilize every land and sea transport in the area, and start offloading the cargo. It's a huge logistical undertaking, but dealing with that fully-loaded ship is a knotty problem in any event. Lightening the load might help.

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
19. It's a standard Suezmax vessel. There are more than 500 of them in the world.
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 01:06 PM
Mar 2021

 


World Suezmax Fleet Counts 514 Vessels

The world Suezmax fleet (excl. shuttle, product & Jones Act tankers) counts 514 vessels at the end of 1Q2019, said Nordic American Tankers (NAT).

The total delivery during 2018 was 28 vessels, said a report by the international tanker company.

"For 2019 we expect a similar number of vessels as in 2018, and in 2020 we currently see 22 vessels scheduled for delivery. During 2018, 21 Suezmax vessels were scrapped," it said.


The general characteristics of a Suezmax vessel are

Tonnage: typically 160,000 DWT
Length: 400 m (1,300 ft) (maximum)
Beam: 50 m (164 ft) (maximum)
Height: 68 m (223 ft) (maximum)
Draft: 20.1 m (66 ft) (maximum)

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
23. There are apparently an even greater number of "Capesize" ships that are too big for the Suez Canal.
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 01:53 PM
Mar 2021

 


Capesize Bulkers Connect 121 Ports in 31 Countries

Capesize vessels [are] larger than Suezmax and Neopanamax, and must traverse the Cape of Good Hope and Cape Horn to travel between oceans.

Bantamfancier

(366 posts)
24. I don't know where you played football.
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 01:55 PM
Mar 2021

But counting the end zones a field is 360 feet long.
1,300 feet is about 3.6 fields long.
That’s still a big a** ship.

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
21. Not great at arithmetic
Thu Mar 25, 2021, 01:08 PM
Mar 2021

as I demonstrated in a post yesterday.

And I definitely know nothing about boating/shipping.

That said, for those suggesting the removal of cargo. . .

I saw on a YouTube video (so it must be true) that this ship has 20,000 TEU. That's the equivalent of 20,000 20' containers.



Did a Google search on the max capacity of a 20' container, which is 56,000 pounds. https://www.icontainers.com/help/20-foot-container/#:~:text=A%2020-foot%20container%E2%80%99s%20unloaded%20weight%20is%202,300%20kg,the%20cargo%20and%20specific%20details%20of%20the%20shipment.

So 20,000 20' containers @ 56,000 pounds each = 1,120,000,000 pounds.

No cranes in sight. Maybe there's a giant ship with crane(s) to unload the containers. Here's one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSCV_Thialf

Maybe it fits in the canal? Maybe not.

I imagine shipping companies worldwide are in a tizzy. What to do? Wait? For how long? Bite the bullet and take the long way around? Fuel cost. And delay?

And then there are the companies expecting deliveries. We can joke that maybe we don't really need all the junk from --fill in the blank--. But there's likely to be food, raw materials for companies worldwide, stuff that is really needed. The knock-on impact is likely to considerable.
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