Ouch.

[sheshe2]

Link to tweet

..................
Dr. Fauci Received Death Threats, ‘Very Disturbing’ Letter Filled With Powder While Working for Trump
"It was the harassment of my wife, and particularly my children, that upset me more than anything else," Dr. Fauci said..

snip

Despite all of the challenges he experienced, Fauci said that he "never" thought about quitting.

"When people just see you standing up there, they sometimes think you're being complicit in the distortions emanating from the stage. But I felt that if I stepped down, that would leave a void," he explained. "Someone's got to not be afraid to speak out the truth."


https://people.com/health/dr-fauci-received-death-threats-letter-filled-with-power-while-working-for-trump/

[gratuitous]

1. I'm in favor of calling Dr. Birx before some committee

Then I'd like to see a few news executives called to testify about their failure to hold the former guy and his misadministration accountable for their feckless response to the pandemic. Every other question for the last seven months of his term should have been, "You said that anyone who needed a test could get a test. Why did you lie?" And the rest of the questions would be along the lines of "People are dying by the thousands and you're off golfing every spare minute or holding another insufferable campaign rally. Is this the best you have to offer the country?"

Instead we got a supine news media that didn't dare ask the administration any hard questions or insist on an answer. They didn't register any reaction that I recall when Stephanie Grisham just flat-out stopped the daily press briefings.

[LiberalLovinLug]

60. Don't even want to think about it, but what if Trump had "won"

I can see Dr. Birx being promoted to Fauci's position. And Fauci fired no doubt. And we'd never hear any kind of excuse from her. She'd be gladly used by Trump for photo ops, nodding and clapping in the background. But of course any story like this would not even make the news, if the worst had happened.

Trump and Mitch would be busy dismantling the last of the oversight institutions, and national law enforcement agencies.

[MyOwnPeace]

2. Great stuff, sheshe2!

Regarding Tiedrich:
I think trying to get Dr. Birx for a hearing before any Congressional group (House, Senate, committees, etc) would be just as frustrating as the proposed "Independent Congressional Hearing" regarding the Insurrection of Jan. 6. No matter where the 'hearing' were to take place there would be an armada of lying RepubliQans there to sabotage, deflect, and confuse the hearings to the point that we would be no wiser regarding the situation than we are now.
If the Congressional Minority (yeah, the RepubliQans!) have not stepped up to complain, protest, or even address these allegations regarding IQ45's despotic acts so far, I can't believe that there will ever be an "issue" that will get them to finally say "That was wrong - we've had enough."

[sheshe2]

5. Thanks, MyOwnPeace.

Jeff got a lot of push back on twitter.

Link to tweet

Well so did Fauci and that didn't stop him. They did their best to shut him up and side line him...yet he spoke out on CNN.

[Faux pas]

3. Kickin' with disgust!

She ain't innocent, for sure.

[Rebl2]

4. I don't

like what she did, but I do wonder if she stuck around because she was afraid she would be replaced by someone worse. I would like to see her testify under oath though.

[GopherGal]

11. She and Fauci were both in a tough position.

Whether "if I quit or get fired, I'll just be replaced with a TFG toady and it'll be worse" is self-justification or the truth is tough to judge. I think Fauci had enough public credibility that him remaining "on the inside" still held some value, as he retained access to the best information and was in frequent demand as a communicator to the public for people who didn't trust TFG and wanted to hear it straight. Birx was in a tougher spot, not having the established credibility with the general public that Fauci did. That made it a closer call to say that her continued association with the TFG administration had any helpful effect on the pandemic.

[malaise]

6. Nailed it

and not only Scarf-face

[sheshe2]

7. ...

[liberalmuse]

8. I had no idea how many ass-kissers there were in government agencies until Bloatie-O got in.

It's sickening. None of them are going to get out of this unscathed. People aren't forgetting the lying sycophants who slobbered all over that demented assclown.

[SheltieLover]

9. K&R!

[oasis]

10. Elbowing her way into the lifeboats.

[SYFROYH]

12. Both Birx and Fauci have a lot to answer for re their Vichy participation

But first let’s kick this pandemic.

[Blue_true]

27. Fauci was very consistent in contradicting Trump when he had to,

and in getting the American public as much useable information as possible. Even his early statement on masks was due to Trump’s total inaction on getting protective masks and gowns to medical personnel, Fauci didn’t want average Americans to buy up the few N95 masks that were out there - I do fault him for not saying that even a two ply or three ply cotton mask would be adequate for most people, as long as they observed other protocol.

I view Fauci as a French partisan, fighting the Nazis with conning, knowing there was no way to face and defeat them any other way. I view Birx as more of a collaborator, until the monster turned on her.

[SYFROYH]

36. Maybe. I do think we need an AAR after we've finally vaccinated "everyone"

It seemed like Fauci stood by a lot as Trump said crazy stuff, but maybe I missed his redemptive moments.

I'm not OK with Fauci's early statement on masks. It gave credence to the right wing's anti-mask movement. I know he says he intended the misrepresentation to save N95 masks for medical professionals, but the comment came in March 2020 and commercial N95 masks were sold out everywhere.

We knew from the 1918 flu that cloth masks would help enormously. All he had to do was say to make your own masks because they work and leave any remaining N95s for the professionals.

"In the clip, Dr Fauci says “There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-fauci-outdated-video-masks/fact-checkoutdated-video-of-fauci-saying-theres-no-reason-to-be-walking-around-with-a-mask-idUSKBN26T2TR

[Blue_true]

39. Yes, his first statement on masks was a very bad one.

Medical professionals “fiddle” with their mask also, and he should have known that, being a renowned practicing medical Doctor, as well as a researcher. So, yes, I can see how you can hit him on that validly.

But I disagree that he didn’t counteract Trump. Yes, he stood on the dog and pong show mute, but in interviews after he would point out where “the president”, as he called Trump, was off base.

Should he have run up when Trump was spewing dangerous bullshit and shove Trump from the mike? I ask you, would you do such a thing with your boss, or even forcefully contradict him or her?

[SYFROYH]

40. Of course it is hard to publicly contradict your boss.

But there were a lot of days when I wished he had.

[Blue_true]

41. He did, gently, but consistently.

Birx, on the other hand literally crawled up Trump’s butt on occasion, until Dr. Atlas came along and pushed her aside, then she started to speak out about the looming risks of COVID19, if Atlas got his way.

I honestly feel that we should be locked in on one thing, Trump and Trump alone was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

52. Remember how absurd that was. They all knew in January that

the virus was airborne and deadly.

So it made zero sense that medical people needed masks and the general public didn't. But in retrospect, that never reached realization by the masses.

Agree at that point, there weren't enough masks. But does it make sense to not warn people? Keep your distance?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. Here's what's weird. Birx only one step behind Fauci as far as

complicity with trump. Neither bucked trump to any level sufficient enough to warn the public early on.

Plus anyone who was in congress who was in same briefings.

Yet Fauci gets a cushy job and she gets demonized.

[dixiegrrrrl]

14. Remember that Birx stood in front of cameras to praise trump

She credited him with mental acuity and wisdom that we all know he was incapable of. It was a shocking gaslighting moment.
That's not the same as being in a press conference gaggle and saying nothing publicly when trump lied and lied.

[hamsterjill]

28. Yep, as did Redfield.

They all need to be questioned and sufficient answers given. I know they will never be held accountable, but this needs to be done so the same shit doesn’t happen the next time.

[sheshe2]

46. Thank you!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

51. The bottom line point though is that PEOPLE were not warned. Whether

in my mind, you stood there in silence ( like we are supposed to intuit that you didn't agree?) Or if you propped up the lunatic, ALL involved put their jobs before human life.

This singling out of Birx, when it was EVERYONE on his task force is pure ridiculousness IMHO. Fauci, Birx, Redfield, PENCE, guy in navy blue uniform.... All guilty as hell.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

55. Do you have a link for that.DG? I never heard her say he

had mental acuity and wisdom.

[dixiegrrrrl]

58. Here is video

Link to tweet

?lang=en

[Laura PourMeADrink]

62. I could believe that, until the very end when she lied. He actually was interested

in the data, but for one reason only
... Would he die if he got it. Heard him tell Woodward on his recording that he was 70 something and the data showed you very likely would survive. That 80 yo was the cut off. He was pretty willing to let those over 80 die without even a drop of empathy.

Thanks for digging this up.

[sheshe2]

18. I lost what I posted to you due to the error message Earl warned us about.

I will leave it at this.

Link to tweet

Did Brix do this? No she didn't. Enough said.

[Blue_true]

29. Actually, Dr. Fauci contradicted Trump every time Trump endangered the public, which was often.

While he gave Trump praise in a effort to nudge Trump to do the right thing, he didn’t do remotely what Dr. Birx did (effusively praising Trump’s “intelligence” on national tv and saying that Trump “got the gravity of the situation”, when it was clear to anyone other than a moron that Trump had jumped off a cliff and was trying to pull the country with him). Dr. Fauci stood for months and months as the only roadblock to total chaos, and that is why his family was threatened and he has a security detail.

[stillcool]

31. Birx got her new gig...

and no one would be talking about her if she didn't open up her own pandora's box by giving that interview on CNN. Dr. Fauci has the same job he's had since 1984.

[PortTack]

15. stated very succinctly

No pity for this woman henchman, just protecting herself

[area51]

42. +1 n/t

[speak easy]

16. Birx lied through her teeth.

[Trump has] been so attentive to the scientific literature and the details and the data. I think his ability to analyze and integrate data that comes out of his long history in business has really been a real benefit during these discussions about medical issues.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21197074/deborah-birx-praised-trump-scientific-literature-coronavirus

The only 'data' Trump is able to integrate comes in fast food containers.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

19. "He's (Trump) been so attentive to the scientific literature..."

that utterance alone should have been enough to make her nose bust a hole in the wall.

[speak easy]

21. A veritiable speed reader

[Javaman]

17. Just yell harsh words at the iceberg and we'll be fine.nt

[BigmanPigman]

20. She is an accomplice to this crime.

John Dean has a tape of tRump saying how dangerous the virus was last April. Birx was spreading his lies and should be investigated for her actions too.

MSNBC legal analyst Glenn Kirschner suggested that President Donald Trump should be prosecuted for negligent homicide for his response to the coronavirus outbreak in the United States.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/msnbc-analyst-trump-negligent-homicide-coronavirus

I say "Charge them with murder"!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

53. They are all accomplices. But yes,! BP, it all points back to Trump

The murderer. He was on fricken tape with Woodward saying he purposely didn't warn anyone.

And to me, this is bigger than any crime he ever committed. Bigger than Russia, Ukraine and Insurrection times a million.

Yet he wasn't ever really fully blamed.

[BigmanPigman]

64. I hope AG Garland will grab this with both hands and runs with it.

Also, I wish he would nail everyone who messed with the BS Mueller Report too. Get Barr 's interpretation thrown into the trash and gives us the real story.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

66. Me too!! Winning in Nov 2020 wasn't enough. We need

real justice to feel whole again.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

56. Ha... Trump lashes out against Fauci and Birx

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/03/29/trump-fauci-birx-cnn-documentary-478422

[BigmanPigman]

65. I love it.

I saw it on CNN last night and laughed....he is so sad about having no more twitter platform.

[dameatball]

22. For whatever talents the orange rat bastard lacked, he made a living finding those who could be

manipulated. He did that all his life... read Cohen's book. Unfortunately our government was, maybe still is, home to a significant population of those same types of people. Hell, I worked for one of them for ten years in state and local government. They are ubiquitous and are immensely talented with reading the tea leaves and walking the line and kissing the arse and living to kiss a new arse by revisionism as convenient.

Do not tell us that as a doctor you knew the showers smelled like gas but you did not want to be called a bad name at the time. That's an extreme analogy, no doubt. Or is it?

[sheshe2]

24. She was that officer on the Titanic.

The one that jumped on the lifeboat first...everyone else be damned.

[dameatball]

25. Correct. I hold the same view on economists that remained silent on tax cuts for the rich, even

though they had seen the movie before.

[Blue_true]

30. There are many, many many, pliable people in corporate America also,

the ability to be “an early adapter” is sacrosanct in corporate America, even when it is clear to some that the newest magic-change mantra will fail like the others before it. So, that problem is not just a government problem.

[dameatball]

32. That's true. Been that way for millenniums I suppose.

[Blue_true]

33. As long as people see that kissing ass, or remaining silent in the face of wrongdoing

brings benefits to them, it will always be that way.

[uponit7771]

23. RIGHT !!

[George II]

26. That burns. I've notice Dr. Reiner has seemed more angry and impatient.....

....over the last few weeks. I guess he just doesn't give a crap except for the safety of the American people, and those who don't be damned.

Good for him!

[sheshe2]

35. She had the "duty to stand up and speak up."

And she was silent.

Twitter is trying to burn Fauci, saying he did the same. He did not.

He was on CNN speaking out. Answering kids questions on a CNN Sesame Street forum. He told kids not to worry, Santa was coming to town because he personally flew to the North Pole to vaccinate him. He is such a good man. I love him.

[George II]

37. All of us Brooklyn boys are good men....

Except for one.

[sheshe2]

38. Hehehehe.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

67. That is so laughable. The general public barely knew anything

and people expect general public dug so deep they understood the nuance between the two?

The are ALL fucking complicit. ... Singling out a female for some unknown reason, seems so sexist. They are ALL guilty.

[mcar]

34. I was willing to give them all the benefit of the doubt

thinking they were better off in the administration helping to mitigate the damage. I haven't seen this special, but reading about makes me think I was mistaken.

[sheshe2]

44. The only person I believed was Fauci.

One bit of science that the others attempted from time to time was drowned out and the others never bothered to correct them.

[Upthevibe]

43. Kick....n/t

[Blue Owl]

45. Susan Collins would be proud of Dr. Birx

[sheshe2]

49. Ya.

'Cause Brix was very concerned.

I would laugh, yet just want to cry.

Hugs in solidarity.

[rickyhall]

47. Dr. Fauci should get a medal. Nobody stood up to that guy like he did.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

54. A medal for being an accomplice to the death of hundreds

of thousands?

[BobTheSubgenius]

48. And, AMAZINGLY, Il Douche has a totally different take on Dr. Fauci.

I am less concerned about the sensibilities of Dr. Birx, for exactly what Dr. Reiner said.

[sheshe2]

50. Yes.

The ass has a different take on Fauci.

Sarah has a different take on trump...

[BobTheSubgenius]

61. Thank you!

"sounds interesting" to you? It sounds completely idiotic to everyone else.

I have seen her work before, and I like both her and her work!

[Fla Dem]

57. Dr. Brix should have kept her mouth shut and just faded into the background.

She's brought this torrent of criticism on herself because she couldn't keep her mouth shut. She hated seeing Dr, Fauci getting all the accolades so she had to step in and try to get credit for her actions. Unfortunately her actions under the Trump administration were all negative and irresponsible actions for someone with her background and experience. If she knew then that what would have saved over 400,000 lives she should have spoken up. But she didn't. She was either too scared of the repercussions from Trump, or she wanted to stay in the spotlight being on Pence's team. Either way, she's now paying the price.

You know at first I felt sorry for her at the time when she was on Pence's team, I did feel that as a woman she was being told what to do and say. That her advice was being ignored and she was being used more as a front person than a valued member of the team. As the year progressed, and Dr Fauci became more outspoken, I wondered why she wasn't stepping up with him. But she didn't. She could always have resigned and told the truth. It's now 400,000 lives too late.

[piddyprints]

59. So true.

What happened to "do no harm?" She did a tremendous amount of harm by just staying in the shadows when she knew better.

[rickford66]

63. Hand up here