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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat happened to George Floyd was more than murder, it was torture. Georgie Floyd was begging for
for his life, and for those 9 minutes he knew his life was slowly being taken away.
The terror George Floyd must have been going through during those 9 minutes is unimaginable, as he was slowly being killed
If there is a crime that would merit capital punishment, Chauvin would deserve it, but since that wont be an option in Minnesota, may he be thrown in prison for life, and never see the light of day
Faux pas
(14,691 posts)with great
PortTack
(32,796 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)much evidence that he was suffocated. Which is going to be a problem for the prosecution. They're essentially going to be arguing against their own, state employed medical examiner that usually testifies on behalf of the prosecution.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/derek-chauvin-s-defense-strategy-george-floyd-trial-emphasizes-pathology-n1262332
However, a number of forensic findings will give the defense some room to maneuver. Importantly, Baker found no clear injuries to Floyd's neck, either internally or externally. This tells us something (though not everything) about the amount of force Chauvin was applying to Floyd's neck. You can bet the defense will argue that the pressure was minimal. In my experience with manual strangulation cases, there are almost always injuries to the structures of the neck (a broken or fractured hyoid bone, for example, or fractured thyroid cartilage, etc.).
Another important finding: Baker noted "no facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae." In deaths involving manual strangulation/asphyxiation, there generally are petechial hemorrhages in the whites of the eyes and often in the gums and elsewhere. The absence of such hemorrhages suggests that there was not a sustained, acute cutting off of Floyd's airway. I can envision the defense arguing that these findings refute (at least in part) any suggestion that this was an asphyxial death (as Dr. Michael Baden, the forensic pathologist hired by the Floyd family, opined).
mzmolly
(51,006 posts)"cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."
No restraint, neck compression and subsequent torture = no death.
JohnSJ
(92,421 posts)It was awful
I feel so badly what George Floyd went through in his last moments
mzmolly
(51,006 posts)I agree.
notinkansas
(1,096 posts)We all saw it on video.
IcyPeas
(21,910 posts)He is 5'9" and weighs 150 (these numbers vary a little depending on what site you look at). I don't know why I thought he looked taller than that.
moondust
(20,006 posts)Kneeling casually on neck with hand in pocket, adjusting knee to exert better pressure, hearing victim's pleas, unflinching, untroubled, ignoring distressed witnesses nearby including an EMT who knew this was dead serious and was desperate to help save a life, ...
The whole world has seen it, protested it, and is now watching this trial knowing the inescapable truth.
moondust
(20,006 posts)sadism, i.e. he was actively deriving pleasure from the pain and suffering he was inflicting.