Prosecution just showed Chauvin take his body camera off

[Beachnutt]

and pitch it under the car.

[Budi]

1. Cocky s.o.b. 🤬

[Beetwasher.]

2. Well Now, That's New

and, umm, significant.

[Nevilledog]

3. Yeah....first time I've heard this.

[soothsayer]

4. Same

[Beachnutt]

5. As soon as he got there he went around the car and grabbed

Mr Floyd with both hands by the back of his neck and they go down then you can see his black gloved hand wrap around the camera and drop it under the car.
As soon as that was shown they stopped the proceeding and sent the jury home.

[WhiteTara]

56. unanimous conviction.

[tinrobot]

33. Yep. It demonstrates consciousness of guilt.

He knew what he was about to do was wrong.

[wnylib]

42. Sounds like pre meditated murder.

[RVN VET71]

47. Agree it sounds like premeditation.

But that act alone doesn’t make it so, not under the law. He’ll say it all happened in the heat of the moment, he doesn’t remember doing it, he was taking down a large and powerful man who was resisting, etc., etc.

Yes, of course it’s a sign of premeditation, but I seriously doubt if the jury will see it that way “beyond a reasonable doubt.” I think the prosecution, by laying the murder-3, murder-2, and manslaughter charges on this man, was thinking that a jury will at the very least find him guilty of manslaughter. And that is what I think is going to happen. He can get, I think, 10 years plus a fine for willful manslaughter. That plus the lawsuit that’s going to be flung at him by the Floyd family should at least ruin him financially and keep him in stir for a decade. The length of the sentence and the amount of the fine imposed will, of course, be stiffer if the jury does decide on either murder-3 or murder-2.

[wnylib]

53. I'm afraid that even a voluntary manslaughter conviction

might not happen. There are so many ways to claim "it was accidental" or "it was warranted in the circumstances."

[RVN VET71]

57. You may be right, unfortunately.

But seeing the video of the murder as it was taking place would be awfully hard for a jury to ignore. Chauvin knew what he was doing. he was begged by witnesses to stop killing the man. He persisted. Floyd died. Chauvin’s status as a veteran on the police force should work against any claim that he, umm, “accidentally” killed Mr. Floyd.

Voluntary Manslaughter allows for the fact that the death was not premeditated but, once the event got rolling, a decision was made, deliberately, not to ease off on the victim’s neck and to let him die. Had Chauvin ever showed remorse for what happened, ever had an “OMG, I am so sorry that man died, it was never my intention that he should die” moment, he might have saved himself. But he appears to be a cold blooded psychopath who’s reaction to the death was simply that the s.o.b. had it coming. The jury will see that characteristic in the evidence presented to it -- and Chauvin, of course, dares not take the stand in his own defense to argue otherwise.

[uponit7771]

6. Fucking wow !!!! Chauvin killed or tried to kill other people before. 18 different complaints ...

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... against him.

[Phoenix61]

9. That's not true.

There were prior incidents of allegations of excessive force.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mprnews.org/amp/story/2021/02/05/that-could-have-been-me-the-people-derek-chauvin-choked-before-george-floyd

[uponit7771]

13. It is true, Chauvin has killed before (link). It wasn't 7 people (I corrected that part) but this...

... was involved in or tried to kill other people before.

One of the people Chauvin tried to shoot claimed self defense in a WAPO article.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2020/05/9846650/minneapolis-police-derek-chauvin-history-force

According to CNN, in 2006, Chauvin and five other officers shot and killed a man who had stabbed his girlfriend and a friend. Two years later, he was reportedly involved in an altercation with an individual suspected of a domestic dispute. Chauvin shot the man twice, though the man survived.

[Phoenix61]

26. Pulling a shotgun on cops never turns out well.

“In 2006, he was one of six officers on the scene when Minneapolis police shot and killed a stabbing suspect. The suspect, 42-year-old Wayne Reyes, allegedly drew a shotgun on officers, prompting several of them to open fire, police told the Minneapolis Star Tribune at the time. A grand jury declined to bring charges in the case.“ There’s no information if he was one of the officers who fired or not.

[wnylib]

43. That's the official report,

but were there cameras? Cops will always claim self-defense, even when there ARE cameras present.

[Phoenix61]

50. And sometimes it's "suicide by cop".

Saying all cops are bad isn’t anymore true than saying all cops are good.

[wnylib]

54. I agree, but who said all cops are bad?

[uponit7771]

55. True, for me Chauvin's 18 complaints would play a role in my decision. Just seems like

... he was too comfortable murdering someone in front of camera's and witnesses

[nilram]

7. I'm sure there is an innocent explanation.

That is totally a lie.

[Beachnutt]

8. If you wanna watch it, its in the last 15 minutes of todays

proceedings right after Chauvin goes around the car and grabs his neck you can see the camera engulfed in black and drop under the car.
Not a lie at all, go watch it.

[nilram]

12. ha, no, I'm saying their explanation

would be a lie.

[Beachnutt]

14. Oh, ok sorry...

[Sunsky]

10. After he realized he was caught

with his hands around Floyd's neck, all of a sudden body cam is off. He was the only one to utilize that strategy and the only one to lose their body cam. Hmm.... not fishy at all. The man is a murderer. I think the body cam footage were devastating for Chauvin.

[Beachnutt]

11. So you saw it too huh ?

I have watched the whole trial from the start very closely,.intend on watching all of it intently.

[Mr.Bill]

21. I wish I had time to watch all of it.

I watched every minute of the OJ Simpson trial.

[Sunsky]

29. Oh yes I did

I watch it when I can and luckily I was off today.

[ShazzieB]

19. I sure HOPE it's devastating for him!

"I think the body cam footage were devastating for Chauvin."

It certainly should be. Things are looking worse and worse for him all the time.

Of course, it's not over until the proverbial fat lady sings, but it is NOT looking good for Chauvin right now.

[bringthePaine]

15. PREMEDITATION

[blueinredohio]

16. Is he going to claim George Floyd ripped it off him?

That will be my guess.

[SweetieD]

38. Floyd was handcuffed the entire time chauvin was on the scene.

[blueinredohio]

40. Good to know. Thanks. So that shows he really is an ass.

[blueinredohio]

41. Good to know. Thanks. So that shows he really is an ass.

[TheRickles]

17. Is there any way he can avoid testifying? IANAL, but if not, his goose is cooked.

It probably is (goose cooked), anyway, but if he's put on the stand, there'd be no way to wriggle out of it.

[TexasBushwhacker]

39. There is no way Chauvin will testify n/t

[TheRickles]

46. Maybe so, but under what legal principle would that be? n/t

[RVN VET71]

49. Isn't that implicit in the 5th Amendment?

The prohibition against being coerced into testifying against yourself.

[qazplm135]

44. if he testifies

he's done. He's likely done if he doesn't, but he's surely done if he does.

[hatrack]

45. He doesn't have to - no rule that he has to testify in a criminal trial . . .

Civil trial is another matter altogether.

[TheRickles]

48. He's been charged with a crime but doesn't have to testify?

Can you say a bit more about what legal principle allows that to happen? I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like a huge loophole, and I've forgotten all I ever learned from Perry Mason.

[Captain Zero]

51. If the defense puts him on the stand, then yes

he can be cross examined by the prosecution. But the prosecution can't put him on the stand first, due to the 5th amendment.

[TheRickles]

52. Got it. Thanks!

[mountain grammy]

18. Premeditated.. a sociopath!

[ashredux]

20. Don't jump to conclusions. I don't think he wanted to kill Floyd

Don’t jump to conclusions. I don’t think he wanted to kill Floyd

He was showing how to punish a black man to the newer cops that he was training. This is how you do it boys. He got carried away and killed a man. He is a murderer. He should spend the rest of his life in jail.

[pazzyanne]

23. If found guilty, Chauvin will provide an example of what not to do.

If you do the crime, you do the time, cop or not!

[ashredux]

25. Exactly!

[IcyPeas]

22. ** here's a clip of when it falls off him...

it falls off at about 1:52. Also Chauvin puts both his hands around George's neck for a few seconds.

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Beachnutt]

24. I don't understand why they stopped proceedings immediately

after that footage ?

[getagrip_already]

36. old trial law trick....

They sent the jury home right after knowing it was the last thing they saw and they wouldn't be able to think of anything else.

Old trial law trick; it was even on perry mason.

I posted this below also, but figured it was a direct response here.

No, I'm not a lawyer and don't want to play one here. Correct me if I am mistaken. tx.

[Disaffected]

27. Sorry but,

I don't see any conclusive evidence of the camera being deliberately removed. Looks more like it became detached because of the struggle.

[Beachnutt]

30. If you stop it at the 1:42 mark you can see it go black just before falling

he has on black gloves, I guess maybe we will know tomorrow.

[Disaffected]

32. Yeah, that's why

I said "conclusive" evidence. And even if it was his black glove that knocked (or took) the camera off, it's hard to discern which.

It may hinge on how hard the cameras are to remove, either accidently or deliberately.

[ecstatic]

31. Cops keep getting the benefit of the doubt

The harsh truth is that some of these cops are crooked to the core. They know how to slap the cam off before going rogue. They know how to make it look accidental (in case a prosecutor attempts to charge them--a super rare event). They know to yell, "I see a gun!!" or "stop resisting!!" right before they go in for the kill. For bad cops, all of these actions are well rehearsed, almost automatic.

It's time to take the blinders off. No normal person behaves the way chauvin did.

[lostnfound]

58. And that one reason bystander witness testimony is so powerful

Because they are normal people. Normal, empathetic people who still have their humanity.

[everyonematters]

37. Even if it was knoked off, there is no reason he could'nt have gotten it back.

Floyd was faced down and handcuffed.

[Beachnutt]

28. Thanks for posting this, I wanted to review it again, it happens

so fast, now that I rewatch it did it just fall off or did he intentionally lose it ?
Odd that the other cops didn't lose theirs.....

[FakeNoose]

34. The other cops didn't take theirs off because they didn't premeditate the murder

... they probably had no idea what Chauvin was going to do.

This video displays premeditation on the part of Chauvin only. The other guys were just standing there. Chauvin knew exactly what he wanted to do, and not get caught.

[getagrip_already]

35. hey, who hasn't had to rip off a camera before while using excessive force with malice of prejudice?

I mean really, they can be just so much a bother. What with all the internal review crap and media exposure... {sarcasm}

They sent the jury home right after knowing it was the last thing they saw and they wouldn't be able to think of anything else.

Old trial law trick; it was even on perry mason.