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NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 08:00 PM Mar 2021

Can't help but speculate ...

The GOP was convinced that Trump would be re-elected, one way or ‘another’.

And as a result thereof, Barr’s DOJ would be free to pursue or quash any investigations currently underway – including the activities of Matt Gaetz.

In other words, such Barr-sanctioned investigations would be gathering kompramat on high-profile Republicans that could be used to ensure their loyalty to Trump in future, no matter how out-of-control his actions might be during his expected second term.

I can only wonder how many other Republicans Barr’s DOJ were “investigating” in the belief that the details of such investigations would never surface publicly, but would serve as a compelling incentive to toe-the-party-line for many GOPers, under the threat of having such details revealed if they refused to go-along-to-get-along.

After four years of Trump, I have learned to be extremely suspicious – and with good reason. And I have a feeling that Biden’s win has thrown the proverbial monkey-wrench into what the powers-that-be in the GOP were convinced would never go beyond the internal workings of the Trump party’s machinations.

I believe that Gaetz is just the first of many high-profile Republicans who will be outted as a result of the kompramat their own party put together to ensure their loyalty to the Former Guy – never realizing that there might be a new sheriff in town who would uncover the details of the offences the GOP were convinced would never see the light of day thanks to Trump’s expected second term in office.

Gaetz is just the proverbial tip of the iceberg. And every high-profile Republican currently in office is shitting themselves at the thought that the kompramat their own party has on them will now be used against them by the new political regime.

There are a million stories to be told – and Matt Gaetz’s story is just one of them. Others are bound to follow – and some of them will make Gaetz’s tale of woe seem trivial by comparison.

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Can't help but speculate ... (Original Post) NanceGreggs Mar 2021 OP
Great post malaise Mar 2021 #1
Wasn't that the way J. Edgar Hoover supposedly operated? Kompromat? SharonAnn Apr 2021 #78
Supposedly? malaise Apr 2021 #80
You are so right bluestarone Mar 2021 #2
I Sooooo Hope You're Right SoCalDavidS Mar 2021 #3
Get the Corporate Triple Pack Can - plain, caramel, and cheddar! 😁 electric_blue68 Mar 2021 #6
Ooooo, I hope you are so right! It's certainly quote plausable! electric_blue68 Mar 2021 #4
"o" "i" don't think that was what you meant to say. rzemanfl Mar 2021 #11
Oops lol electric_blue68 Apr 2021 #84
Can I quite you on that? robbob Apr 2021 #73
Lol ooopsies! :D electric_blue68 Apr 2021 #85
I agree with your speculation..... Heartstrings Mar 2021 #5
this is very much like J. Edgar Hoover agingdem Mar 2021 #7
You read my mind exactly! Karadeniz Mar 2021 #10
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. Golden Raisin Mar 2021 #27
The list is long. sheshe2 Mar 2021 #8
That's more or less what J. Edgar Hoover did. Ocelot II Mar 2021 #9
... Nevilledog Mar 2021 #12
Bingo! You've been reading my mind. Bo Zarts Mar 2021 #13
My sympathies to you. Glad that I have wnylib Mar 2021 #20
Lindsey and his about face True Blue American Apr 2021 #56
Did you mean Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin? usaf-vet Apr 2021 #62
EXACTLY! murpheeslaw Mar 2021 #14
That would be interesting to know. wnylib Mar 2021 #22
When did Mitch retire? News to me. fwvinson Apr 2021 #79
Basically I'm assuming, until someone proves otherwise, Mr.Bill Mar 2021 #15
They seem to be more afraid of Kompromat, than getting assassinated by the Trump mob. lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #66
I think the Cheney link is crucial here. TheRickles Mar 2021 #16
Gaetz' affront to Liz hit a nerve. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2021 #42
Let hope he used some on Jr. gldstwmn Apr 2021 #53
I agree. When I heard when the investigation started, I thought along the same line. c-rational Mar 2021 #17
I'm disappointed in myself that it did not wnylib Mar 2021 #26
Yeah, same here. Mickju Apr 2021 #69
Everything you said, plus there are hundreds of CD roms that were Politicub Mar 2021 #18
We should assume Barr destroyed or buried anything with Chump's name on it FakeNoose Mar 2021 #32
We know Barr visited Epstein several times True Blue American Apr 2021 #57
Yes, agreed. That was the most blatant coverup we've seen in a long time. TheRickles Apr 2021 #60
No, Barr kept the juicy Trump bits in his personal briefcase. lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #67
Spot on, as ever. niyad Mar 2021 #19
Brilliant! liberalmuse Mar 2021 #21
Very sordid. From the time of the ancients. cachukis Mar 2021 #23
K&R, IE the reason the new AG was delayed uponit7771 Mar 2021 #24
And, when one considers that SO MANY Republicans are morally and legally compromised and Atticus Mar 2021 #25
Republicans ARE the conspirasy they warned us I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2021 #28
Well. Lindsay Graham has been pretty quiet lately. nt Blue_true Mar 2021 #29
🇺🇸K&R🇺🇸 spanone Mar 2021 #30
Very good thought...and the only think I can say is "Amen" Escurumbele Mar 2021 #31
Thanks for this astute analysis FakeNoose Mar 2021 #33
Now THAT is MOST interesting! calimary Mar 2021 #34
Good point dlk Mar 2021 #35
I like the way you think! BadGimp Mar 2021 #36
Good framing of power maintenance that can work across administrations. Thanks! ancianita Mar 2021 #37
I love it! Joinfortmill Mar 2021 #38
Best Post of the YEAR so far. Tommymac Mar 2021 #39
Drunk with power samplegirl Mar 2021 #40
I immediately thought of Moscow Mitch...... MyOwnPeace Mar 2021 #41
lindsey G MFM008 Mar 2021 #43
Yes, Barr was involved from the beginning with his ties to Epstein And Trump. flying_wahini Mar 2021 #44
Brilliant. Bookmarking. nt Ilsa Mar 2021 #45
Yep. The asshole actually said he was 'entitled' to at least three terms dalton99a Mar 2021 #46
That is an excellent theory. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #47
Your argument is pretty compelling Schmice3 Mar 2021 #48
The tRumpers intended that the organs of government would become.... lastlib Mar 2021 #49
Nunes and Jordan next please. Pepsidog Apr 2021 #50
I just go with the assumption that most, if not all, GOP are vile cockroaches eom/ Backseat Driver Apr 2021 #51
I remember early on in 45's Presidency Sogo Apr 2021 #52
Are you suggesting bucolic_frolic Apr 2021 #61
Open the FloodGaetz Blue Owl Apr 2021 #54
Then there's Ivanka... Daughtergate.... lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #68
Sure explains True Blue American Apr 2021 #55
some are going to want to spend more time with family. scarytomcat Apr 2021 #58
The guy with fake licenses including some foreign ones bucolic_frolic Apr 2021 #59
I agree Trump may have Roc2020 Apr 2021 #63
I remember all too well Karl Rove's reaction to Obama's second victory. RVN VET71 Apr 2021 #75
Compromising incidents in one's personal life are a qualifying feature to run for federal office. OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2021 #64
I think Kompromat is a major component of Trump's grip on the GQP. lagomorph777 Apr 2021 #65
Right on! randr Apr 2021 #70
I hope to soon see Gaetz perp-walked across our televisions. n/t iscooterliberally Apr 2021 #71
That's a very good theory. And it' what Putin would do (does). Texin Apr 2021 #72
I hope Garland shines a bright spotlight exposing all of them IronLionZion Apr 2021 #74
Trump had made it clear he wanted a partisan DOJ from the beginning, ShazamIam Apr 2021 #76
"...will make Gaetz's tale of woe seem trivial" Grins Apr 2021 #77
The Republican Party is a gang. hunter Apr 2021 #81
Bill "Land the Plsne" Barr? Laura "We Won" Ingraham? czarjak Apr 2021 #82
NanceGreggs.... Upthevibe Apr 2021 #83
Plausible and Hell yeah I hope it's right! Evolve Dammit Apr 2021 #86

agingdem

(7,850 posts)
7. this is very much like J. Edgar Hoover
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 08:11 PM
Mar 2021

he had dirt on everyone in power and they were afraid to fire him...the bastard held on to his job for 37 years...

Bo Zarts

(25,399 posts)
13. Bingo! You've been reading my mind.
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 08:44 PM
Mar 2021

And one of my US Senators is Mr. Kompramat himself: Lindsey Graham.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
56. Lindsey and his about face
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 04:27 AM
Apr 2021

Starting with inviting Ivanka and Jared to the McCain funeral. The over head camera panned on Lindsey looking nervous as a cat, darting eyes. I wondered why. It seemed so out of place.

Then bingo, I found, against all wishes he had invited those 2 Social Climbers.

wnylib

(21,500 posts)
22. That would be interesting to know.
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 09:04 PM
Mar 2021

Wonder, too, if possible exposure of kompromat is what prompted the turtle to decide to retire.

Mr.Bill

(24,304 posts)
15. Basically I'm assuming, until someone proves otherwise,
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 08:48 PM
Mar 2021

that for every republican in Congress that voted not to remove Trump from office, there exists a video of them raping 12 year-old girls. Or worse.

TheRickles

(2,068 posts)
16. I think the Cheney link is crucial here.
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 08:51 PM
Mar 2021

When Gaetz went to WY to work against Liz Cheney's campaign, her Dad got so pissed that he called Barr have the DOJ investigate Gaetz, in order to derail his career. Nothing as complicated as blackmail, just directly sabotage the bleeper.

Although blackmail could also be part of the picture - these aren't mutually exclusive theories. Now that I think about it, I actually hope you're right, Nance, because there would be many more stories like this coming to light under AG Garland.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
42. Gaetz' affront to Liz hit a nerve.
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 10:39 PM
Mar 2021

Dick made a phone call and used up some chips. He still has a lot remaining. Gaetz is finished. Don’t fuck with Liz.

wnylib

(21,500 posts)
26. I'm disappointed in myself that it did not
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 09:08 PM
Mar 2021

occur to me. It should have, since I can remember the Hoover years.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
18. Everything you said, plus there are hundreds of CD roms that were
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 08:55 PM
Mar 2021

in Jeffrey Epstein’s home. I believe the justice department has those, too.

FakeNoose

(32,656 posts)
32. We should assume Barr destroyed or buried anything with Chump's name on it
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 09:34 PM
Mar 2021

... but yeah, anybody else is fair game. I hope Bill Barr starts getting subpoenas real soon.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
57. We know Barr visited Epstein several times
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 04:32 AM
Apr 2021

Then the Guards fell conveniently asleep and the cameras did not work. Epstein did not commit suicide.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
21. Brilliant!
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 09:04 PM
Mar 2021

I was puzzled as to why the Trump DOJ was investigating his lap dog. This makes perfect sense!

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
25. And, when one considers that SO MANY Republicans are morally and legally compromised and
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 09:06 PM
Mar 2021

are members of perhaps the most mentally unbalanced demographic in the nation, one has to ask how long it will be before one of these desperate and frantic Second Amendment worshippers cracks wide open and opens fire on "the enemy".

That Lindsey is bloviating about his very own AR-15 may be another "tip of the iceberg".

Escurumbele

(3,396 posts)
31. Very good thought...and the only think I can say is "Amen"
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 09:21 PM
Mar 2021

That would be so great if the GOP could have a cleansing, which I find very hard for it to happen anyway, even if a bunch of them are kicked out of office.

Throughout the history of the GOP they have always been trash and yes, there are exceptions, but very few. The mentality of people who belong to the republican party is something that is taught through generations, and it is very difficult to clean, these people are indoctrinated, they belong to a cult.

calimary

(81,335 posts)
34. Now THAT is MOST interesting!
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 09:42 PM
Mar 2021
MOST interesting.

And not beyond the realm of possibility, considering who the players were.

Not AT ALL beyond the realm of possibility.

BadGimp

(4,015 posts)
36. I like the way you think!
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 10:03 PM
Mar 2021
Occam's Razor:

Occam's razor, Ockham's razor, Ocham's razor, or the principle of parsimony or law of parsimony is the problem-solving principle that "entities should not be multiplied without necessity", or more simply, the simplest explanation is usually the right one.

Source Wikipedia

ancianita

(36,109 posts)
37. Good framing of power maintenance that can work across administrations. Thanks!
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 10:03 PM
Mar 2021

If what you say sits in DOJ records, or even if Republicans know it does, or even if they wonder what else the new DOJ inherited, this administration could be looking at some surprise "sincere" bipartisan votes.



MyOwnPeace

(16,928 posts)
41. I immediately thought of Moscow Mitch......
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 10:27 PM
Mar 2021

and of course, his wife, the recent Secretary of Transportation. There's Mitch's flip-flopping all over the place with how to "handle" IQ45 (not impeach, but sure slam him in a speech 10 minutes after the Senate set him free) and the workings of his wife to support business with her family firm and China.
That and SO much more to watch - the cold sweat running down their cheeks (perhaps along with some hair dye) - is going to be SO telling......

flying_wahini

(6,611 posts)
44. Yes, Barr was involved from the beginning with his ties to Epstein And Trump.
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 11:16 PM
Mar 2021


The ‘Pee’ tapes were really P for Perv. They got them all having sex with girls and boys.

Putin didn’t have to work too hard to get them to come around, I Bet.

I hope All of it comes out; Epstein, Deutsche Bank loans, SCOTUS Kennedy getting the boot
Eric Prince and the Saudi’s deals with Trump, the stolen PPE’s
ALL of it!

I hope they are all lying awake at night sweating a late night knock at the door.

lastlib

(23,251 posts)
49. The tRumpers intended that the organs of government would become....
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 11:46 PM
Mar 2021

the implements of perpetual republiqan power in the second tRump term, concentrated in the hands of the former guy and his demon-spawn (including Jared). When that didn't come to pass, all hell broke loose. Now they're all scrambling to avoid exposure and ultimately capture. Hence Lindsey's "Count me out" speech after the insurrection failed.

You may have a great insight here, Nance!

Sogo

(4,987 posts)
52. I remember early on in 45's Presidency
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 01:30 AM
Apr 2021

at a gathering of the GOP in the Rose Garden, he pointed out at those gathered in a sweeping gesture and said, “I know things about all of them.”

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
58. some are going to want to spend more time with family.
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 06:42 AM
Apr 2021

if you're going to be outed time to retire
Say bye bye

bucolic_frolic

(43,200 posts)
59. The guy with fake licenses including some foreign ones
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 07:01 AM
Apr 2021

I uncovered a YouTube video yesterday on Stalin's spies. In the early part of the Cold War, the video said he stripped Soviet passports from citizens abroad, returned them to Moscow, and put his own new people with photos in the passports. So these were now actual spies with the ID's of ordinary citizens.

I wonder why the fake IDs? Sounds like a stalk, surveillance, perhaps even kompromat or blackmail operation nipped in the bud.

Roc2020

(1,616 posts)
63. I agree Trump may have
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 08:28 AM
Apr 2021

thought he could successfully steal the election. Him and the 'R's are still shocked and then they loss AZ and GA to boot

RVN VET71

(2,692 posts)
75. I remember all too well Karl Rove's reaction to Obama's second victory.
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 10:45 AM
Apr 2021

He was literally stammering, incredulous when Fox News revealed to him that Romney was getting his ass kicked. He really could not believe it -- and I thought then and still do that it was because he and his venomous POS’s cronies had thought they’d rigged the election (just as they did to give Bush a victory over Kerry in ’04). But something went wrong, Romney went back to Utah, and Obama led the nation for another 4 years.

Same thing, I believe, happened here. The Party of Traitors' attempts to rig the election was overcome by events. Changes to mail-in voting and other laws that made it, if not easier, then at least possible for people to vote, and the result screwed up Trump’s plan to steal the election.

Meanwhile, Barr, could well have assumed he’d be the new Hoover in the lifetime Trump administration, protected from harm by his carefully kept files from secret investigations.

It makes sense and would (will?) make a helluva movie! ‘Course the movie will have to wait until at least one other traitor’s foul, perverted deeds are publicly exposed. Please let it be Lindsey!

OAITW r.2.0

(24,507 posts)
64. Compromising incidents in one's personal life are a qualifying feature to run for federal office.
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 08:47 AM
Apr 2021

That's how the GOP maintains the Party line. If you grow a conscience, expect to get primaried next cycle. The Party has self-selected the very worst characters for office over the past 50 years.

randr

(12,412 posts)
70. Right on!
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 09:52 AM
Apr 2021

I have long felt that the Trump machine was following the model of long dead FBI director Hoover. He quietly collected dirt on everyone and used it to his advantage for decades. For Hoover is was sport, for Trump is a way of life.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
72. That's a very good theory. And it' what Putin would do (does).
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 10:10 AM
Apr 2021

This might also explain several of the other Senate departures among the rethugs. Now they feel "safe" to "retire". I wonder if it won't trigger another raft of congressional rethug departures as well to be out of the limelight when the inevitable Sword of Damocles starts swooshing above their heads - both of them.

ShazamIam

(2,575 posts)
76. Trump had made it clear he wanted a partisan DOJ from the beginning,
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 12:09 PM
Apr 2021

How can we forget the Comey dismissal. To me the Republican party has been operating like an organized crime outfit since the 1968 campaign year that delivered the Nixon adm.

Grins

(7,218 posts)
77. "...will make Gaetz's tale of woe seem trivial"
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 12:38 PM
Apr 2021

I think you are hoping that is true. I’m jaded enough by now to think, even if others are investigated and more comes out, nothing will happen.

hunter

(38,318 posts)
81. The Republican Party is a gang.
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 04:06 PM
Apr 2021

You can't join top management unless you've murdered people, stolen millions of dollars, and/or raped children.

Trump knew that and with Russian assistance bullied his way to the top.

Upthevibe

(8,054 posts)
83. NanceGreggs....
Thu Apr 1, 2021, 04:45 PM
Apr 2021

Bingo.....

Man, are things starting to make sense.

It's REALLY been emphasized that this investigation was during the trump administration when Barr was A.G. As I've also speculated, a lot of dirt was being dug up and held against a lot of these Republicans to use against them and keep them in line no matter what the former guy did while in office and assuming he'd win re-election by using every trick in the book. Unfortunately, for them, they still lost. Maybe they underestimated the Judiciaries commitment to the rule of law..

I'm REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY looking forward to hearing about what they have on Lindsey Graham.

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