There is no way the POTUS race turned around this quickly !

[RagAss]

Something is not right. There is no fucking way this is on the level.

[randome]

1. Momentary blips on the horizon. Obama's still got this.

That's not optimism talking. That's how I see it.

[ywcachieve]

10. ...P.S. Especially a debate that Romney lied his a$$ off.

I still say President Obama won that debate.

[randome]

21. Well, for the 2nd debate, he better not leave it open to interpretation.

[orpupilofnature57]

2. Misanthrope Sycophant Monsters

[RagAss]

6. Yes...and the way they went to work in concert, right on que after that first debate was stunning.

A coordinated script that brought back memories of the drum beating for Iraq in 2003.

[orpupilofnature57]

18. Or the theft of our nation in 2000

[geckosfeet]

3. r0mney is a documented liar, tax cheat and fraud. How it is even close is beyond comprehension.

I posted this on another thread as well - just thought I would spam the board this morning.

Tax cheat - well documented.
Mitt Romney's Tax Dodge


Liar - Bain bought viable companies, squeezed every last cent out of the balance sheets for investor profit and in the process destroyed the company and many jobs along with it. The lying bastard was never a "job creator" and the corporate class is not a job creator. They exist to make profit. Right now they are sitting on billions if not trillions of dollars of cash handed to them through the bush tax cuts. Money that could be doing a lot to employ people and rebuild the country and economy.
The First Debate: Mitt Romney's Five Biggest Lies


Fraud - see tax cheat and liar above. If he is the great businessman that he claims to be, why can't we see the tax returns? Are they that fucking bad? What criminal activity will they expose? How is an election against a lying asshole like this even close?

[juajen]

11. Because the brainwashed do not read what is not approved reading. They dismiss

anything that is not on their recommended reading list, or tv watching list. For instance, they do not watch Stewart or Colbert. It is not recommended by tptb.

[Glitterati]

15. Let me give you just one real life example

I have a sister in Florida. Haven't spoken to her in nearly 30 years. She DARED me to post even ONE lie Romney told during the Presidential debate.

I posted 10 lies.

She deleted me from her friends list (thank goodness!)

They can't process the TRUTH.

That is what makes them republicans.

[Kindly Refrain]

4. MSM is trying to make it look neck and neck

It's big money.

[enough]

5. An interesting explanation here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021530460

[RagAss]

9. Great post. This had to be planned for months, if not years.

All of a sudden these new polls show up like monkeys flying out of Karl Rove's ass !

[lonestarnot]

31. Cheaters don't need to plan cheat very far in advance; they just come by it naturally.

[still_one]

7. It depends on a lot of factors. However, after Biden's performance, and the Presidents upcoming

you will see the numbers turn more our way

Especially when it becomes clear that the repukes do want to ban abortion, prevent insurance companies from covering birth control, privatize social security and medicare, and almost every other issue that Biden pointed out.

and yes, the President did prevent a total economic collapse, allow 40 million uninsured to be covered, saved the auto industry, got bin laden and is getting us out of the wars that the republicans started

[ywcachieve]

8. I totally agree. I was saying this very thing to a friend of

mine, yesterday. No way could one debate cause such a turn around.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Intuitively I Agree With You

But I have seen the suggestion that the debate was some kind of Black Swan event. I dispute that but it wasn't as if the president was sitting on a huge lead before the debate.

[ProSense]

13. Exactly. This huge

shift is only in some right leaning and fly-by-night polls. Others, including Gallup and Reuters, show no real movement.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251138192

[gkhouston]

35. +1000. We're supposed to believe the Koch brothers can underwrite a shit-ton of ad buys

but are too principled to fund some pseudo-pollsters? I don't think so.

[Democratopia]

14. Never over-estimate the intelligence of Republicans

They made George W. Bush president, and they were so pleased with him, they did it again.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

17. But never

underestimate the intelligence of the Republican Party operatives.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

16. Oh how little you understand

the political process and the electorate.

The Republicans, more specifically the Romney campaign team, engineered an incredible rope-a-dope....Romney stayed right long after everyone expected him to move to the center and then in front of 67 million people Magical Moderate Mitt introduced himself to the nation. And what did the fools on the left do in response? Chris Matthews had a nervous breakdown right on television and most of the pundits followed suit. Have you heard a single right winger out there criticizing Romney's about face? No, of course not. But Dems are still whining and demanding Obama not let them down again. They should have been screaming "Romney Lied, Romney Lied"...instead of "Where was Obama?" The uninformed are now making their voices heard...we've always known they were out there...so the polls are shifting...what worries me more is the drop on Intrade which now has him at a 59% chance of winning and Romney at 40%...Obama was as high as 80% prior to the debate. Some of that is Dems losing confidence.

[ProSense]

20. Really?

"Romney stayed right long after everyone expected him to move to the center and then in front of 67 million people Magical Moderate Mitt introduced himself to the nation. "

You actually believe the Mitt's flip flopping is a strategy?

Don't Ignore Ryan's Terrifying Answer on Abortion
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021521684

Ryan: Romney And I Support Social Security Privatization
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021523775

[MzShellG]

23. The low info voters (sheeple) don't listen to facts....

A middle aged african american women I work with says she thought Biden appeared arrogant with the way he kept laughing at Ryan. She said nothing of Ryans lies. She said on the first debate that Prez Obama shouldve been more aggessive, not even mentioning Rmoneys lies. I tried to point that out but she wasnt hearing it. If this is how "undecided" voters think then we're in trouble. To this woman her regilion is everything and politics is irrelevant. She doesn't even vote. Its mainly because of me that she even watched the debates. Now, I'm a spiritual relatively young black woman myself but I found it highly crucial to influence the outcome of people who make policies that affect me and my family. Some folks just don't get it.

[RagAss]

29. Maybe you can be there to comfort her when Romney takes everything away from her.

[MzShellG]

34. Exactly.....

We work for a Medicare contractor plus she's 56. Yet she doesn't understand the importance of this election. It's pretty frustrating, and at the same time, frightening that there are so many out there that think like she does.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

24. Of course it's a strategy

you don't actually believe that he believes anything he said during that debate do you? The campaign said he had been practicing since JUNE...that's a strategy. That wasn't a flip-flop that was a bold-faced move to hoodwink the uninformed. Polls were showing his position was not popular among any but the most devoted republicans...

[ProSense]

27. So you're saying

"That wasn't a flip-flop that was a bold-faced move to hoodwink the uninformed. "

...that Ryan flipped back to extreme right wing to "hoodwink the uninformed"?

[Sekhmets Daughter]

39. Nope...

Ryan never really flipped anywhere....Ryan's assignment was to assure the right wing nut base that Romney is still a right wing nut tool.

[orpupilofnature57]

22. Uninformed or Delusional,,, Polls LIE

and so does MSM . Comprehensive numbers that refute ass-pulled figures is all He needs to display, that's not losing confidence, it's Expecting intelligent honesty to be presented and to prevail .

[RagAss]

26. Yes, Intrade has me concerned as well.

[gkhouston]

36. And what does it take to affect the numbers on Intrade? Money.

Hmm, do we know any billionaires who might want to influence this election?

[awake]

19. It did not help that when Obama stumbled

the loudest attacks came as friendly fire from the left. People are so concerned about "Not Walking In Lock Step" or "Do Not Tell ME I Will Do What I Want To" ..... This is the fight for the future of this country. Sometime I think people think that Obama can do it all by himself, in 2010 many could not be bothered to vote because they did not feel the need. The problem this year may not be on the right but the left not working hard enough to win at all cost. NEVER GIVE UP

[Sekhmets Daughter]

25. Absolutely agree with you about that.

[Chorophyll]

28. That's what I keep thinking. It's bizarre.

But it ain't over yet by a long shot.

[MannyGoldstein]

30. This illustrates the danger in relying on your opponent's faults to win

If your opponent looks a little good for a while - or the press simply claims he looked a little good - then it's a big problem.

[Cosmocat]

32. It has ...

I hate it, it makes me sick in the stomach.

I also was where a lot of people are now right after the debate.

I said it was what the Rs called a "sugar high" after the conventions.

But, for whatever polling that is republican skewed, ALL the metrics show that it has turned sharply.

The national polls, the state polls, the polls of polls, intrade.

It has been sharper and more significant than the bounce from the conventions for the President.

If it were today, the president would win a fairly close election.

If the trends continue, Romney would win by late next week.

We have to HOPE that it is currently leveling, that the good economic numbers and Joe Biden's efforts have stopped the bleeding.

But, our guy has to strap them up and work absolute MAGIC on Tuesday.

He has to win, to win, but he has to do more than that to get the momentum redirected.

Even if Romney goes on stage, engages in Salah before unzipping and urinating on the audience, the right, and by extension a good portion of the media, will call it a draw or Romney win. And, a draw is a Romney win.

It defies reason, we know this president has done a DARN GOOD JOB, but this race is VERY much in flux right now.

[SoCalDem]

33. and many people no longer even have land-line phones

pollsters are not allowed to call cellphones.

time of day matters too.. if pollsters call before 7 PM, they are likely to get retired/older people..especially if the calls are made on Fri-Sat

pollsters also know which side has the butter..if conservatives employ them, they will move heaven & earth to poll "friendly " zipcodes (they probably have access to voter registration lists)

[cthulu2016]

37. This is not correct

First, live interview pollsters are allowed to call cell phones, and they do. (Robocall pollsters like Rasmussen do not, which is a source if his particular polling bias, but all the real polls are live interview.)

Second, all the mainstream pollsters weight the demographic sample. Age is adjusted. So is region. So are cell phone vs. land line, sex, and race.

Now, if you are saying that the polls are intentionally faked (which picking friendly zip-codes would be) then there is no further argument needed. If they are fake they are fake. But to the best of our ability to know, all the mainstream pollsters use random dialing with the samples weighted to demographic norms.

[Bluenorthwest]

38. It is a huge mistake to conflate polling about a race or any other thing with the

actual thing. The polling moving does not mean the race has turned around, it means there is different polling data today. These polls do not even claim to be about the future, they are 'snapshots of the moment' and that is soooo different from the end results....
If you pick up on polls intended to define this moment and use them as if they were intended as predicitions, you are making a very basic error.