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Celerity

(43,590 posts)
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:00 PM Apr 2021

Joe Manchin: Any Voting Rights Legislation Has To Make Trump Supporters Happy

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-manchin-for-the-people_n_606f21c8c5b6865cd29a39e7?hhc

Congress shouldn’t pass voting rights legislation unless it helps Donald Trump supporters trust that their votes will be counted, according to Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.). “Our ultimate goal should be to restore bipartisan faith in our voting process by assuring all Americans that their votes will be counted, secured and protected,” Manchin wrote Wednesday in a Washington Post op-ed about his opposition to killing the Senate filibuster.

But Manchin didn’t mention that many Republicans have lost faith in the voting process largely because Trump lost in the 2020 presidential election and then lied about it relentlessly. The lies fuelled a mob that ransacked the Capitol on Jan. 6, interrupting lawmakers as Congress certified the final result. Manchin’s top concern about Democrats’ For the People Act ― which he has said he supports ― seems to be that passing it without Republican backing would overly upset these volatile Trump supporters. He said so even more directly in a brief interview last month in the Senate basement. “The only thing I would caution anybody and everybody about is that we had an insurrection on January 6, because of voting, right? And lack of trust in voting?” Manchin told HuffPost then. “We should not, at all, attempt to do anything that would create more distrust and division.”

Manchin’s argument is essentially the same thing Republicans in Georgia and elsewhere have said in an effort to justify new restrictions on ballot access: that they have to make changes to restore confidence in elections, even if the lack of confidence results from fake fraud claims. It’s the definition of pandering. It’s indulging a mass delusion. Most people tell pollsters they think elections are fair. Overall trust in elections has gone up and down over the years, but it’s been much lower among Republicans since Trump’s loss, likely because Trump has falsely claimed the election was stolen. Democratic confidence in election results similarly declined after 2016, but most still said that election had been fair.

Democrats control the Senate, but with only 50 seats, they need 10 Republicans to break a filibuster. Most Senate Democrats want to change the rules so they can pass bills with a simple majority ― especially the For the People Act, which would expand ballot access and block many of the new voting restrictions that Republican state legislatures are putting in place. But Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) can’t change the rules without all 50 Democrats on board. Manchin and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) are holding out, saying their party’s policy goals aren’t worth enacting without some Republican support.

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Manchin is essentially saying that the people who stormed the Capitol had legitimate grievances about voting, and Congress has to honor those when passing voting rights legislation
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Joe Manchin: Any Voting Rights Legislation Has To Make Trump Supporters Happy (Original Post) Celerity Apr 2021 OP
So, Elect Dumbshit Don To Another Term? SoCalDavidS Apr 2021 #1
I wonder how he's treated by fellow Dems in the Senate? Peregrine Took Apr 2021 #2
God I hope we win two more seats in 2022 wryter2000 Apr 2021 #5
This is fucking embarrassing wryter2000 Apr 2021 #3
Hey joe, you mean just like the republcons are doing on the state level? spanone Apr 2021 #4
Good 'ole Joe. Just joe-ing on, cause he can. I want to say something intelligent about him but I'm Ninga Apr 2021 #6
All I have is rage wryter2000 Apr 2021 #10
Who the fuck is Joe Manchin kidding? ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2021 #7
January 6 wasn't about voting, it was about lying. Crunchy Frog Apr 2021 #8
This... Claire Oh Nette Apr 2021 #29
doesnt he REALIZE MFM008 Apr 2021 #9
WTF is wrong with him? Im dead serious. Someone call for a psych exam. bullimiami Apr 2021 #11
My doctor asked me to keep stress and blood pressure low. BlueLucy Apr 2021 #12
The OP is too broad--it does not reflect what Joe M. actually said. riversedge Apr 2021 #13
No working with the fuck your feelings crowd, Joey! East-A-Squared Apr 2021 #14
Errrrrrrr Mad_Machine76 Apr 2021 #15
Joe, get a better story. no_hypocrisy Apr 2021 #16
Joe really meant to say: sop Apr 2021 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Apr 2021 #18
My thoughts exactly. Irish_Dem Apr 2021 #21
Get a brain, Manchin Blue Owl Apr 2021 #19
Here's a ballot format that would make Trump supporters happy: Towlie Apr 2021 #20
1938 Austrian Anschluss referendum Celerity Apr 2021 #23
I was referring to the format, where the vote they're looking for is front and center, and enlarged. Towlie Apr 2021 #24
oh, yes, I know, I was just translating it, sorry Celerity Apr 2021 #28
There was an insurrection because Trump ordered it, Dumfuck. rickyhall Apr 2021 #22
Thank God we got the covid package passed because bluestarone Apr 2021 #25
Do I even need to comment? vercetti2021 Apr 2021 #26
"We should not attempt to do anything that would create more distrust." ColinC Apr 2021 #27

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
1. So, Elect Dumbshit Don To Another Term?
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:04 PM
Apr 2021

That's pretty much the only way they'll be happy and trust the vote.

As Bugs would say.....What A Maroon!!

Peregrine Took

(7,417 posts)
2. I wonder how he's treated by fellow Dems in the Senate?
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:04 PM
Apr 2021

I bet he's waited his whole life to wield the reigns of power like this.

What a small, pathetic little man.

wryter2000

(46,099 posts)
5. God I hope we win two more seats in 2022
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:07 PM
Apr 2021

Unfortunately, people, largely people of color, will have to make super-human efforts to vote if we're to have any chance of that.

I have to figure out what I can do from Oakland, California to help out. I made phone calls to NC for the November election and GA for the January run-off.

wryter2000

(46,099 posts)
3. This is fucking embarrassing
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:04 PM
Apr 2021

Someone in my party pandering to racists. Someone in my party wanting us to go backwards to refuse African Americans the right to vote. I wish someone would sit him down and teach him some history

I'm team Clyburn.

Ninga

(8,280 posts)
6. Good 'ole Joe. Just joe-ing on, cause he can. I want to say something intelligent about him but I'm
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:07 PM
Apr 2021

coming up empty.

wryter2000

(46,099 posts)
10. All I have is rage
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:09 PM
Apr 2021

I always say there's simple ignorance about racism and willful ignorance about racism. This is the latter. Disgusting.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,811 posts)
7. Who the fuck is Joe Manchin kidding?
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:08 PM
Apr 2021

That Democrats have to take into consideration the feelings of Trump voters when passing Voting Rights Bills?

Earth to Joe Manchin! It is NOT Trump voters states are going after. It is those who vote for Democrats in general. African-Americans, POC, the poor, the young, etc.

Someone talk to Manchin that Republicans do not intend to be bi-partisan on any bill the House passes.

Crunchy Frog

(26,683 posts)
8. January 6 wasn't about voting, it was about lying.
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:08 PM
Apr 2021

These laws are about keeping the "wrong kinds" of people from voting. Maybe I should stop voting just to make Manchin happy. It's not like my vote will count anyway if he gets what he wants.

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
29. This...
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 07:02 PM
Apr 2021

The former president lied. He sowed distrust and lied.
GOP senators and congressmen lied.
There was no fraud.
White men's votes have always counted.
Their votes counted.They voted for a loser. They lost.
The insurrection was to take over the government because their guy didn't win. They attempted a coup. It had zero to do with voting an everything to do with the fear of Biden winning and dying and a black woman VP might succeeding him.

MFM008

(19,823 posts)
9. doesnt he REALIZE
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:08 PM
Apr 2021

NOTHING is going to make maggot supporters happy that democrats try to do?
N O T H I N G.
ZERO

sop

(10,274 posts)
17. Joe really meant to say:
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:20 PM
Apr 2021

"President Trump has the strongest support percentage-wise in our state than any other state in the nation," Manchin said. "He won West Virginia by almost 43 percentage points, and he's been carrying close to 60 percent approval." (West Virginia Public Broadcasting, January 29, 2019.)

Response to Celerity (Original post)

Celerity

(43,590 posts)
23. 1938 Austrian Anschluss referendum
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 04:47 PM
Apr 2021
"Do you agree with the reunification of Austria with the German Reich that was enacted on 13 March 1938 and do you vote for the list of our leader Adolf Hitler?"

Towlie

(5,328 posts)
24. I was referring to the format, where the vote they're looking for is front and center, and enlarged.
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 05:16 PM
Apr 2021

 


But yes, that is what Wikipedia says.

bluestarone

(17,067 posts)
25. Thank God we got the covid package passed because
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 05:56 PM
Apr 2021

It looks more and more like that's ALL we will pass until AFTER 2022 THANKS MUCHIN

ColinC

(8,340 posts)
27. "We should not attempt to do anything that would create more distrust."
Fri Apr 9, 2021, 06:39 PM
Apr 2021

Agreed. The only way we can do that is by passing HR1 as is and assuring people will have faith in the voting process. That being said, the terrorists didn't act out because they didn't have faith in the voting process as much as it was because their candidate lost. Surely Manchin is smart enough to know that and he isn't trying to cave to terrorist demands?

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