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madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 02:34 PM Apr 2021

Chauvin trial: The defense found a guy to say Chauvin's actions were justified.

What rock to these kind of people live under? Such people obviously have a very dark world view where the lack of humanity is just fine with them.

This witness seems to like the hypothetical scenario that could have but didn't occur.

If Chauvin was so frightened and scared than he should testify himself and tell the jury and the world what he was afraid of for over 9 minutes.

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Chauvin trial: The defense found a guy to say Chauvin's actions were justified. (Original Post) madaboutharry Apr 2021 OP
His testimony is not nearly as specific as Seth Stoughton's was. Jim__ Apr 2021 #1
And he was eager to get involved, first moonscape Apr 2021 #2
I missed that. madaboutharry Apr 2021 #5
Defense asked how he got involved in the moonscape Apr 2021 #28
did the prosecutor mention why they did not want him? demtenjeep Apr 2021 #36
No, it was revealed during defense initial moonscape Apr 2021 #37
does he have to say how much the defense is paying him? cash, goods, services? btw msongs Apr 2021 #3
He testified to receiving $350 an hour. For about 40 hours. Treefrog Apr 2021 #33
You pay enough, you can get anyone to say anything. Rustyeye77 Apr 2021 #4
This defense will devolve into a series of competing expert witnesses, each successive expert sop Apr 2021 #12
He is a paid liar. SamKnause Apr 2021 #6
OJ? Is that you? MiniMe Apr 2021 #7
I'm waiting to hear how he justifies kneeling on a man's neck for nearly ten minutes, even though sop Apr 2021 #8
Has the prosecution had a chance to question him yet? dflprincess Apr 2021 #9
In a couple of minutes. lamp_shade Apr 2021 #11
Would you be willing to lay face down on the floor exboyfil Apr 2021 #14
+1, ... but first run around the building for 5 minutes to simulate the wrestling the LEOs put GF uponit7771 Apr 2021 #30
Atty on CourtTV just said "I can't WAIT until the cross-examination". lamp_shade Apr 2021 #10
They're blaming the crowd. Mr.Bill Apr 2021 #13
And you would have been removed from the jury. Nt USALiberal Apr 2021 #15
Not if I was wearing a face mask. Mr.Bill Apr 2021 #16
Prosecutor seems to be shredding this defense Ninga Apr 2021 #17
I agree TexasBushwhacker Apr 2021 #18
Ty both for the good report. empedocles Apr 2021 #19
Witness Brodd is basically agreeing with the prosecution's assertions, not good wiggs Apr 2021 #22
The Prosecutor is skillfully taking the defense witness' testimony apart, piece by piece. sop Apr 2021 #23
This guy trains officers Midnightwalk Apr 2021 #20
Not for long I suspect. lamp_shade Apr 2021 #24
omfg uponit7771 Apr 2021 #31
Prosecution is handing this witness his lunch mcar Apr 2021 #21
Yes. Prosecution is asking many, many pertinent questions. Blood in the water. Riveting to wiggs Apr 2021 #25
Yeah, I couldn't watch after the first part with him and the weaselly lawyer. Treefrog Apr 2021 #34
I turned it off, then put it on again to see the cross mcar Apr 2021 #35
I think Dr. Tobin put this one to bed Sympthsical Apr 2021 #26
Now we know why the State turned this guy down as a witness for their side. lamp_shade Apr 2021 #27
That was a brutal but fair cross examination. nt wiggs Apr 2021 #29
Some people will do anything for a buck. Vinca Apr 2021 #32

Jim__

(14,077 posts)
1. His testimony is not nearly as specific as Seth Stoughton's was.
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 02:39 PM
Apr 2021

Seth Stoughton testified yesterday. He is a former police officer, university professor and on a number of boards that establish and review police standards. So far, this guy hasn't touched Stoughton's testimony.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
2. And he was eager to get involved, first
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 02:45 PM
Apr 2021

contacting the state which understandably rejected his offer to be an expert.

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
5. I missed that.
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 02:48 PM
Apr 2021

Was he willing to testify that the force was excessive and then switched sides? I'm confused.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
28. Defense asked how he got involved in the
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 04:12 PM
Apr 2021

case. He said he contacted the state as he felt he had something to offer. The prosecution objected based on hearsay and the judge overruled. It didn’t go further than that, i.e. what he wanted to offer but I suspect he was consistently wanting to speak up for Chauvin.

So far, he’s the only expert witness who took the initiative to contact.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
36. did the prosecutor mention why they did not want him?
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:39 PM
Apr 2021

he sounds like he goes where the money is and will say what ever they want him to say

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
37. No, it was revealed during defense initial
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 10:25 PM
Apr 2021

questioning when they ask whethernthe witness was paid, how much, how they got involved. The prosecutor’s objection made it clear they didn’t want to but honestly to me he came across not as looking for a pay day but more issue-directed. Dunno, but he was so myopic in his Chauvin defense that he seems more like a cop-no-matter-what kinda guy, esp if the victim is black.

msongs

(67,420 posts)
3. does he have to say how much the defense is paying him? cash, goods, services? btw
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 02:47 PM
Apr 2021

I think all paid testifiers should have to disclose the fact they are being paid

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
33. He testified to receiving $350 an hour. For about 40 hours.
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 06:46 PM
Apr 2021

I imagine that will make you choke, just as it did me.

sop

(10,194 posts)
12. This defense will devolve into a series of competing expert witnesses, each successive expert
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 03:10 PM
Apr 2021

coming to the exact opposite conclusion of prosecution experts. I hope the jury can sift through all the bullshit.

sop

(10,194 posts)
8. I'm waiting to hear how he justifies kneeling on a man's neck for nearly ten minutes, even though
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 02:52 PM
Apr 2021

the individual was handcuffed, prone on the pavement, with two other officers on top of him, not actively resisting, crying out he couldn't breathe 27 times, finally becoming unresponsive after five minutes in this position, while Chauvin still kept his knee on his neck for several minutes longer till he died.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
14. Would you be willing to lay face down on the floor
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 03:18 PM
Apr 2021

Bailiff can I borrow your cuffs. Thank you sir. Now I way about the same as Chauvin and the court floor is a good approximation of the street. I am now going to cuff you while my two assistants hold your legs and torso down. Finally I am going to place my knee on your neck for nine minutes. Is that ok sir?

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
30. +1, ... but first run around the building for 5 minutes to simulate the wrestling the LEOs put GF
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 04:51 PM
Apr 2021

... through.

Make it apples to apples as much as possible

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
13. They're blaming the crowd.
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 03:10 PM
Apr 2021

I was actually listening closely to see if any of the jurors were laughing. I know I would have been.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,202 posts)
18. I agree
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 03:34 PM
Apr 2021

He did fine when he was getting the softball, guided questions from the defense attorney. This prosecutor is really good.

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
22. Witness Brodd is basically agreeing with the prosecution's assertions, not good
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 03:57 PM
Apr 2021

for the defense.

This is a defense witness who is now getting questioned EXTENSIVELY by prosecution and, IMHO, appears reluctant even while agreeing with prosecution lines of logic.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
20. This guy trains officers
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 03:49 PM
Apr 2021

And he says the force was justified. That’s how screwed up the police are. Still listening to the direct examination.

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
25. Yes. Prosecution is asking many, many pertinent questions. Blood in the water. Riveting to
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 04:04 PM
Apr 2021

see this get more and more uncomfortable for the witness who has seemingly been caught in contradictions.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
34. Yeah, I couldn't watch after the first part with him and the weaselly lawyer.
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 06:48 PM
Apr 2021

But a friend told me he totally caved under prosecution questioning.

Sympthsical

(9,076 posts)
26. I think Dr. Tobin put this one to bed
Tue Apr 13, 2021, 04:04 PM
Apr 2021

The rest is just flailing.

The defense is doing what the defense has to do. All people get a defense.

But I think Dr. Tobin was the sharpest of stakes right into the heart of things. It feels like the defense is just kind of going through the motions at this point.

It will be interesting to see on what charge the actual conviction is.

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