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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsChauvin trial: The defense found a guy to say Chauvin's actions were justified.
What rock to these kind of people live under? Such people obviously have a very dark world view where the lack of humanity is just fine with them.
This witness seems to like the hypothetical scenario that could have but didn't occur.
If Chauvin was so frightened and scared than he should testify himself and tell the jury and the world what he was afraid of for over 9 minutes.
Jim__
(14,077 posts)Seth Stoughton testified yesterday. He is a former police officer, university professor and on a number of boards that establish and review police standards. So far, this guy hasn't touched Stoughton's testimony.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)contacting the state which understandably rejected his offer to be an expert.
madaboutharry
(40,212 posts)Was he willing to testify that the force was excessive and then switched sides? I'm confused.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)case. He said he contacted the state as he felt he had something to offer. The prosecution objected based on hearsay and the judge overruled. It didnt go further than that, i.e. what he wanted to offer but I suspect he was consistently wanting to speak up for Chauvin.
So far, hes the only expert witness who took the initiative to contact.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)he sounds like he goes where the money is and will say what ever they want him to say
moonscape
(4,673 posts)questioning when they ask whethernthe witness was paid, how much, how they got involved. The prosecutors objection made it clear they didnt want to but honestly to me he came across not as looking for a pay day but more issue-directed. Dunno, but he was so myopic in his Chauvin defense that he seems more like a cop-no-matter-what kinda guy, esp if the victim is black.
msongs
(67,420 posts)I think all paid testifiers should have to disclose the fact they are being paid
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)I imagine that will make you choke, just as it did me.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)Hes just a hired mouthpiece .
sop
(10,194 posts)coming to the exact opposite conclusion of prosecution experts. I hope the jury can sift through all the bullshit.
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)He stated he is being paid $11,000.00 by the defense.
MiniMe
(21,717 posts)sop
(10,194 posts)the individual was handcuffed, prone on the pavement, with two other officers on top of him, not actively resisting, crying out he couldn't breathe 27 times, finally becoming unresponsive after five minutes in this position, while Chauvin still kept his knee on his neck for several minutes longer till he died.
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)That will be interesting.
lamp_shade
(14,836 posts)exboyfil
(17,863 posts)Bailiff can I borrow your cuffs. Thank you sir. Now I way about the same as Chauvin and the court floor is a good approximation of the street. I am now going to cuff you while my two assistants hold your legs and torso down. Finally I am going to place my knee on your neck for nine minutes. Is that ok sir?
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... through.
Make it apples to apples as much as possible
lamp_shade
(14,836 posts)Neither can I.
Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)I was actually listening closely to see if any of the jurors were laughing. I know I would have been.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)Ninga
(8,275 posts)witness.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,202 posts)He did fine when he was getting the softball, guided questions from the defense attorney. This prosecutor is really good.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)wiggs
(7,814 posts)for the defense.
This is a defense witness who is now getting questioned EXTENSIVELY by prosecution and, IMHO, appears reluctant even while agreeing with prosecution lines of logic.
sop
(10,194 posts)Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)And he says the force was justified. Thats how screwed up the police are. Still listening to the direct examination.
lamp_shade
(14,836 posts)He's toast.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)wiggs
(7,814 posts)see this get more and more uncomfortable for the witness who has seemingly been caught in contradictions.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)But a friend told me he totally caved under prosecution questioning.
mcar
(42,334 posts)It was a thing of beauty.
Sympthsical
(9,076 posts)The rest is just flailing.
The defense is doing what the defense has to do. All people get a defense.
But I think Dr. Tobin was the sharpest of stakes right into the heart of things. It feels like the defense is just kind of going through the motions at this point.
It will be interesting to see on what charge the actual conviction is.