I want to give a shout out to ProSense.

[trumad]

I think most DU members are just exhausted in calling out the douchebag Ron Paul sycophants that infiltrate this forum Ad nauseam ... day in and day out.

Not ProSense.

The Lady is a one Lady wrecking crew and chews them up at an incredible rate.

I for one am glad she's taking on these ignoramus fools and I hope she keeps it going.

[blm]

1. I hope she keeps going, too. ; ) Paul supporters are MAJOR hypocrites.

Paul always voted for MORE freedoms for corporations to run this country, and voted for LESS freedoms for workers, consumers and families to make their own reproduction decisions.

[ProSense]

75. Well,

thank you all. I deeply appreciate it.

Now, get out there and kick some Republican ass!

[lamp_shade]

140. Dear ProSense

[rhett o rick]

239. Even tho I argue with you most of the time, I appreciate your enthusiasm. nm

[girl gone mad]

342. Would that those green shoots had been authentic..

your posts today might be full of celebration and joy, guided by optimism and hope, rather than the tainted liberal bashing cum hoc ergo propter hoc ad hominem bollocks so typical of your recent output.

As for kicking some Republican ass, why not lead by example?

Spend some time bashing powerful elected Republicans rather than wasting your days whining about the prose of powerless liberal bloggers.

[FarLeftFist]

350. Holy Christ! When did we all become so mean, grumpy, and cynical?!

Just let the woman get her praise from another poster. What's the difference?

This is like the equivalent of going to someones birthday party and telling them they don't deserve a party.

[ooglymoogly]

372. +1 for the sheer balls of bucking the new tide. nt

[Renew Deal]

2. Prosense deserves a lot of love from DU

She takes on all comers. She'll fight it out with DUers, and when the paulites showed up she was there to set the record straight. She's an incredible asset to DU and the Democratic party.

[Luminous Animal]

348. Do you have any links of her attacking Paulites? I am serious.

Because I did not witness this anywhere. I saw her attacking long time Democratic DUers and insinuating that they were Paulites but I never saw her attack any actual Paulites.

[FarLeftFist]

352. Do you have a link of the "attacks"? I am serious. Debate is one thing, but attack is another.

I'm interested.

[Luminous Animal]

357. If a DUer insinuates or states that a long time Democratic DUer is a Paulite, then yes...

that is an attack.

[FarLeftFist]

363. What if said person attacked a longtime DUer first, then in turn wrote a blog touting Ron Paul

policies. Is said blogger then off limits to responses to their very public article that allows comments from other DUers?

[Luminous Animal]

364. Hey, I wasn't even counting that call out thread.

I am talking about active DU members. Members who have been here 5-10 years and who are Democrats and Obama supporters and in many cases worked on Obama's campaign who have stated that they are not Paul supporters.

[FarLeftFist]

369. That's what the alert button is for then. Also, I was referring to Greenwald calling a DUer out

on his blog. But that callout thread I am conflicted about being the person is as well a DUer. All in all I just don't understand coming into a thread that is praising someone to insult them or put them down. Maybe it's the Liberal in me defending the bullying victim.

[Luminous Animal]

371. You can choose to address what I was talking about or you can divert to an entirely new topic.

And I wouldn't have come to this thread if trumad hadn't made the claim that Paulites are infiltrating this forum. Because he is not referring to noobies but rather he is referring to long-time DUers and those, specifically, who take issue with the mischaracterization of some liberal bloggers whose recent posts have been highlighted by ProSense.

Anyone who has an opposing view point from ProSense in regards to those bloggers is now being branded as a Paulite. Trumad is all over this thread baselessly accusing long-time DUers of being Paulites.

His OP is grossly divisive and deserves a response. And really (I just thought of this), he should have butched up and made the accusation directly instead of hiding behind praise for ProSense.

[FarLeftFist]

373. I didn't read it like that but if you did then you must know something I don't about the scene here

Are you sure you're not over-thinking this? There was an invasion of Paulites here in recent weeks and I feel she posts more because she knows there are Ron Paul/RWer lurkers here on a daily basis, not the longtime DUers that you say, but legitimate RW lurkers especially of the Ron Paul crowd who read these forums but don't participate. This we know is true because there is a whole other conservative website who shall remain nameless whose only sole purpose is to leech off of this website. Also, we don't know for sure that these bloggers aren't voting for Paul, they do seem quite fond of him. I don't know, I guess I choose to see the good in people. Pro doesn't seem the malicious type.

[Renew Deal]

365. Here's one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002138632

But there's lots more recently.

[Luminous Animal]

368. Actually, I was referring to her direct discussion with Paulites who are "infiltrating this forum."

Not an OP that is addressed to the community of whom there are slim to none Paulites.

trumad says that Paulites infiltrate this forum and that she has called them out. Where?

[Renew Deal]

379. I'm not sure if she's gone toe to toe with any because their messages get hidden and they get banned

But I do know that when it started to happen, she responded. I don't know if anyone was banned out of her threads. I'm not sure if it makes a difference.

[Whisp]

3. K&R

I don't think I'd hang around here as much if she wasn't around straightening out so much of the crooked crap that gets posted here.

[Pisces]

4. I second that shout out. She is relentless and I appreciate her persistence. Go Pro Go!!!

[sufrommich]

5. OK, is ProSense a man or a woman?

You're OP seems to say both.

"The Lady is a one Lady wrecking crew "

"I for one am glad he's taking on these ignoramus"

I'm confused.

I do agree, ProSense is one of my favorite posters.

[trumad]

9. snarf

It started out as a dude---then I found out she was a lady... went back to edit it and forgot the last line... I think I got it now.

[TwilightGardener]

6. Yep.

[NNN0LHI]

7. Yea, it wears me down but not ProSense

Sure glad she is on our side.

Don

[rocktivity]

8. ProSense won a "You Call This NEWS?" Award this year

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10166164


rocktivity

[DevonRex]

29. That was GREAT!

Thanks so much for linking to it. Loved it.

[lamp_shade]

10. Hats Off to Presense. Yay Prosense!!!

[SidDithers]

11. K&R...

Sid

[RKP5637]

12. K&R !!!

[gademocrat7]

13. K&R

ProSense keeps this forum sane.

[Enrique]

14. I think she's unfair

yes there are Ron Paul trolls, but there are also people who are NOT Ron Paul trolls, but free-thinking people that are working out on their own what they think about Paul. ProSense unfairly lumps the latter in with the former.

[ooglymoogly]

374. FUGETABOUTIT...common sense does not mean much anymore. nt

[truebrit71]

15. Where's the unrec button?

Sorry, but I am frankly sick and tired with what many perceive as the rah-rah cheerleading that comes from this person. I have no problems calling out closet Ronulans, but attacking ANYONE the strays from the DNC/DLC/DCCC message and dares to criticise Obama as this person does routinely, is definitely NOT okay in my book...

NOT agreeing with every single thing Obama says or does, does NOT mean that someone "wants a republican in the WH", it means they want their President to act differently than he has been.

The day that we have to walk in lock-step with the WH, and anyone that dares criticise the President gets pounded on, is the day this place ceases to be anything more than an echo-chamber...

I am PROUD to be far, far, FAR left of the current occupant of the WH, and I will not stop taking him to task when he enacts/enables/continues republican policies, and ProSense and others will not discourage me from speaking out when the President steps out of line, regardless of their cut and paste talking-points skills...

I fully expect this to be alerted, but at least I've said my piece...

[trumad]

18. Nope I'm just giving her props

for taking on the dumb ass Ron Paul Morons that inflict this forum.

It almost sounds like you're OK with the Ron Paul shit birds who come to DU?

Are you?

[truebrit71]

28. "I have no problems calling out closet Ronulans" = 'almost sounds like I'm ok with RP shit birds'?

Really?

[Luminous Animal]

31. Don't you know? There are (whisper) secret Paulites on this board (unwhisper).

They know who they are.

[girl gone mad]

307. He holds in his hand a list..

[Luminous Animal]

321. Indeed!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post195

[Mojorabbit]

446. LOL nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

52. It almost sounds like you didn't read his reply

Try again.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

119. It's a lot easier & faster to not read posts one responds to.

[xocet]

382. Trumad, that was very eloquently put. n/t

[sarcasm]

[grasswire]

22. why would your post be alerted?

This is America. We speak freely. We question authority. Blood of too many men and women was spilled to ensure that freedom.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

49. Not true

As an American, you can speak freely in public. As a member of DU, you cannot speak freely on all matters. I should know--I've had posts deleted for speaking freely.

[gateley]

25. Those like you -- and ProSense -- are what make DU great! Democratic, ya know?

Don't really like you calling her out, but don't think your post should be alerted, either.

[Javaman]

391. Not a call out when the OP is specifically talking about someone.

technically speaking the original post is a call out.

[gateley]

400. I'd call the OP a "shout out" --

the post I responded to a "call out" -- obviously.

[Javaman]

402. Good point.

but then given the obvious flame war that has since erupted any "outs" (infantile snicker) should be cause for alerting from now on.

Other than that, I'm enjoying this thread wreck.

Yeah, I'm one of those that drives slowly past a car wreck and say, "whew! glad it wasn't me!"

Cheers!

[gateley]

404. And I'm in the back seat going "This is awful! Can you go any slower?"

[Sheepshank]

30. The foolish assumption that because Prosense choses to point out the positive

you think she agrees with EVERYTHING? Very foolish indeed.

ETA...not once have I seen Prosense require anyone to walk lock step with anything. But for those that press a eme that is incorrect, yup...she will set them straight and give everyone reading a good reason why a posted will be giving incorrect info.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

236. She helps dispel myths

I appreciate all the effort she puts in...and sometimes, for all that research and fact finding, people are pretty rude in return.

I never understand that. Why be rude when someone presents facts/info from reputable sources?

[Matariki]

32. +1

[i_sometimes]

34. Incoming Wall of Blue Links!

Lol, not really.
I'm with you, when ignore came back, 'click'. I've no use for one note ponies. Or even ponies.

[Whisp]

38. people give her a hard time about her blue links

like theirs are another colour.

such dumbassery

[Luminous Animal]

42. They give her a hard time because they link to her own posts, not the source material...

[Whisp]

46. and those links have source material

Prosense always does the homework. You may be thinking of someone else.

[Luminous Animal]

58. Nope. I am thinking of her...

Apparently, she has all day and night to post. Most of us don't. So you are having a discussion with her and she sources herself. In order to have an informed response one must first, read the entire thread that she linked to in order to put her response in context and and second, one must click on the original source link to see if one agrees with her interpretation. If one disagrees with that interpretation, one is faced with two arguments. She doesn't tackle the topic at hand, she tackles it with her own (and in my opinion) often distorted interpretations about of the topic at hand.

[Whisp]

71. sorry, no sale.

If you don't have time to read her posts then your opinion might be a bit askew.

[Cali_Democrat]

102. The blue links remind me of those Russian dolls

You keep opening them up and in reveals smaller, less relevant information until you've realized that you've completely wasted your time.

[Luminous Animal]

104. Yep.

[frylock]

217. perfect analogy

[paulk]

274. +1

she will also link to any source, no matter how scurrilous, to discredit, demean, denigrate, etc, whoever she feels to be her opponent of the moment...

[treestar]

164. And like there is something wrong with backing up what you say

And like that is rah rah cheerleading. To them Rah Rah cheerleading is being positive about anything!

[trumad]

51. Wow--- so 30 days in

you are tired of a member who takes on the Ron Paul douchebags.

[JackRiddler]

61. Hey, maybe you found one! Sort of like...

the most famous senator in Truman's time. He had his purpose for a time, did he not?

If they're not denouncing the enemy, they surely are enemy!

[trumad]

70. You OK with allowing Paul douchebags in this forum?

[JackRiddler]

74. I reject the premise of your question.

Your terminology is imprecise.

[Luminous Animal]

77. Every Paulite douchebag that I've seen on this board has been quickly shown the door...

and I haven't seen ProSense have a discussion with any of them.

[i_sometimes]

93. Hey! I didn't denounce Ron Paul?

Dammit, ok, he is shit.
Good enough?

[i_sometimes]

80. Gee, I forgot!

I have to be here forever to know that I despise a certain poster for the rah rah'ing? I better go uncheck the other 68 posters on my list, posters who I do not read in an effort to make my DU experience as fun as possible. Just like real life, we get to choose who we hear and who we ignore.

And so you know trumad, there are no ron paul supporters here that last more than a few days.
And I have seen very few, probably because of that ignore function. Hell, I don't even like seeing all of these by name repuke threads that are so prevalent on the latest page.

I have been here at du3 for 30 days...but at du2 for over 7 fucking years. I too used to play the "I have a brazillion posts and have been here since July 3rd, 2001" game when it came to low post count posters.
I can drop posters' names that no one who hasn't been here since the old days would know.
I can recount flameouts by the dozen of some brilliant posters that were a part of du1 and du2.
but I shunned the elitism of that shit long ago, I suggest you do too.
Unless you want me to hop over to du2 and show you some great conversations you and I have had in the past.
But we disagree on the worthiness of poster's like prosense.
Just because you like this 'wall of blue links to herself poster', does not mean we all have to.
Doesn't make me less of a Democrat nor a Paul supporter.
I still like you though, obviously, I can see you.

[FarLeftFist]

145. So you decided to come into a thread praising another poster just in order to un-praise the poster?!

That's the strange part. What is your motivation to do so?

[MADem]

232. What was your name over on DU2? nt

[Broderick]

432. What is the DU2 name?

[grantcart]

111. That is going to leave a mark, very blue mark.

must have been a long term 'lurker' who has been following DU very closely for many years

but only recently decided to come out of the shadows and have enough confidence to

critique one of the strongest posters here.

[Sheepshank]

248. Fascinating, I wondered the same thing...almost worthy of a separate discussion

not quite...almost

[MADem]

300. Doesn't sound like a lurker to me.

He or she is saying he has had past conversations with this one and that. This is plainly a 2nd identity.

All very mysterious. No, not really--tiresome, at best, and deliberately disruptive.

[ooglymoogly]

376. Looking on the bright side... if nothing else...at least we have the same taste in dogs. nt

[MADem]

381. The Westie is the bestie!

Of course, I've had an Italian greyhound mix, a Belgian shepherd, a border collie, a Lassie collie, a couple of "Heinz 57s" and a few westies down the years....to say nothing of cats of all kinds as well.

I like animals, even though it costs a fortune to take them with you when you have to pick up and move. Worth it, though--they're glad to see us, not too fussy about meals so long as they are warm and fed and have nice clean water, and they'll adapt if it is what you expect of them. Nicer than many people, they are and better than a burglar alarm! Plus, they'll keep you warm on a cold night!

[msanthrope]

251. Indeed. nt

[RetroLounge]

282. You forgot to mention post count too

RL

[Raffi Ella]

63. is that right?

well, bless your heart. Welcome to DU.

[i_sometimes]

83. Why thank you but

you and I are old friends.

[Raffi Ella]

100. Yes,

I know dear little Zombie.

[i_sometimes]

105. Lol, no.

I am still signed in over there too missy.
Try again and then I am going to screen cap some of our past conversations and pm them to you.
The more things change, the more elite the elite become.
Or something.
Anyway, going to get my ass out of gd, always been a cesspool of vitriol and assumptions.
Bye bye!

[Raffi Ella]

107. Nice try.

You're not very smart.

We both know that you are the same member that got banned in the other thread regarding ProSense.

We've had no other conversations other than that one.

[Raffi Ella]

166. This is a malicious attempt to mislead D.U.

I am not a member at any other forum, this person has no screencaps of conversations "we" had.

This member made it all too obvious who he is by jumping into this thread about ProSense and by his posting style.

comipinko and I 'conversed' in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002122711

It resulted in his banning and that is what he is referring to when he says "we're old friends".

He has been banned for being a malicious disruptor. Be advised.

[stevenleser]

261. The one post I've had hidden by jury at DU3 was pointing out issues with comipinko

Wonder if I can get that walked back now?

[msanthrope]

263. Raffi--he posts under a different name on DU2.

This is a poster who has admitted that he came to DU3 under a different name than his current name on DU2. I suspect it's because he had his ass handed to him many times before.

I suspect that other posters who reply to him approvingly know who he is.

[MADem]

301. We haven't had an amnesty period in years. This, then, is a 2nd identity.

Are sock puppets permitted under DU3 guidelines? Are banned posters welcomed back under new names, boasting about old conversations?

Am I missing something here?

Those approving repliers had better check themselves and not engage in any swarming disruptive behavior--there's no area off-limits to the admins, and that includes PMs. At least that's my understanding....!

[Luminous Animal]

302. This thread is all WIN! Suspected Paulites AND sock puppuets!

[MADem]

313. That wasn't a response to any of the questions I posed--it was just pure snark. nt

[msanthrope]

305. Well, they claim they are posting still at DU2. Not tombstoned.

They signed into DU3 with a new name. Technically, this is not against the TOS, apparently. I could be mistaken.

I think other posters know who this is.

[MADem]

310. If they aren't tombstoned over at DU2, then their identity was transferred over here, and they have

two accounts. Thus, the second one IS a sock puppet.

I've been here for a long time, I have no idea who this person is.

[msanthrope]

319. I don't think being a sock is a TOS violation anymore.

Sock or not, I think the poster wasn't able to hide their intent/agenda.

[MADem]

329. Really? So you're saying I'm free to gin up ten fake accounts and

go to town?

I don't think that's right at all. If it's not a violation, it should be. I wonder if we can get some admin clarification on this matter?

[msanthrope]

397. I think this is a great subject for Meta. I think a clariifcation is in order, too.

But I am willing to live with whatever decision the mods come to--

after all, the use of the new name isn't fooling anyone as to the poster's manner and agenda.

[Raffi Ella]

401. Thank you, MADem.

His story doesn't wash. Thanks for backing me up.

And let me be clear here, I do not know this person on DU2, either. I've been here since 2005 and have just over 3k posts, it's pretty clear that I don't have "conversations" w/ many people - I know who I know at DU and that is not a person I would ever befriend. He tried to flatter the wrong person this time and got caught in his lie.

[MADem]

423. Anytime. I just don't understand it, myself.

I always thought 2nd identities, aka sock puppets, were a major bozo no-no here, and that the only time you could go to a new identity is if you lost your old email address through a change in provider, and forgot your password. I hope the admins clear this up at some point.

[treestar]

165. Why one note?

Prosense posts on all sorts of subjects. IMO one note ponies are those who post only on one subject, or bring up that subject in every thread.

[treestar]

159. It is not rah rah cheerleading

Prosense always has some substance to go on.

As for your taking President Obama to task, what good has it done? It just helps Republicans. When will people learn that politics is not something where you can demand 100% of any other person, and you don't help the cause with your public "helpful criticism." Write that in letters to the politician if need be.

[deutsey]

202. "Ronulans" lol

Also, for your response in general.

[Scurrilous]

16. I agree Trumad.

Here's to ProSense.

[DevonRex]

17. Hear hear!!!

It's so nice to have the links she provides, too. That way I can refer my family to the facts when they ask about certain topics.

[redqueen]

19. I can get with that.

[Raffi Ella]

20. Agree.

She Fights The Good Fight and Fights it Well.

[mcar]

21. K&R

Thanks for all you do ProSense. This is a better board because of you.

And thanks for this thread, trumad.

[gateley]

23. ProSense suffers no fools -- no matter what/who the subject. Shouting Out Loud! nt

[AtomicKitten]

24. Hat tip to ProSense.

[Luminous Animal]

26. I haven't seen her call out or even engage with any Paul sycophants on DU.

Or any Paul supporters, for that matter.

And, the few Paulites that show up here, are quickly shown the door.

[Sheepshank]

27. Absolutely a thumbs up

~consistent in accrate data...always supported.
~consistent in not only refuting so many trollish misconceptions..again with supporting data
~No name calling, as polite as one could be under the circumstances...and much of those circumstances includes names and derision thrown at her merely for her documented opinions.

[hlthe2b]

33. I appreciate your annoyance at the Paulites...which I share..

And, your intent to give props aside...I can't totally agree.

I continue to regret that ProSense started the trend of negative public "call-out" of DU members as she did with long term member David Swanson--whether or not he is considered exempt for having writings outside of DU.

Since that thread was allowed to remain, I have seen a real negative turn in the way in which DUers refer to each other, interact with each other, and feel free to accuse each other. That might well include some MISTAKENLY caught up in the Rand Paul witch-hunt.

Like most members here, ProSense posts things that I often agree with. She is tenacious in defending her positions. That's fine. Likewise she has the occasional thread or post that I do not. Nonetheless, a valued member.

Rather than jumping on your bandwagon, my positive shout out will be for all the DUers who try hard to engage in enlightened and vigorous discussion and debate, while treating each other as colleagues.... Those who try hard to avoid jumping to kneejerk conclusions, nor being so fast to attribute negative motives behind their posts or opinions. I will each and every one of those.

[i_sometimes]

36. This. n/t

[JackRiddler]

35. Once they are enabled again, will you try this pandering as a poll?

I certainly hope the following comment is allowed, given that the OP is pandering and taking a stand in an ongoing set of controversies on this board that cover many other threads and are far from settled:

ProSense is a one-woman dogmatic talking-points factory with some followers serving as her echo chamber, acting both to reinforce the most counterproductive self-delusions among DU members and, worse, to guarantee that newcomers will be alienated by her perpetual purge-happy search for thought-crime.

[i_sometimes]

37. And this. n/t

[Luminous Animal]

40. Hush sycophant.

[Sheepshank]

266. how embarassing lol n/t

[Whisp]

44. wait, I just got a whiff of something...

[JackRiddler]

47. The funny thing is you don't see you're reinforcing my point.

[trumad]

64. Well---you and two others in this thread can start your own thread and cheer each other on.

[JackRiddler]

78. You do have the option of publishing your opinions in a forum...

that doesn't include a "reply" button.

[stevenleser]

262. That person is not reinforcing your point. You've set up a premise where anyone defending ProSense

is labeled a sycophant and then when people defend them, you are saying "See, I'm right."

I can do the same thing. I can set up a premise where anyone who defends you is a sycophant, then make all kinds of accusations against you and then when people show up to defend you, I can say, "See, you are reinforcing my point"

There is no point at all there.

[JackRiddler]

279. But you are not reinforcing my point.

You are stating your point of view. In words. In an argument. That I disagree with. Which is fine. I've seen already that you have your hard-earned convictions and you strive to express them thoughtfully and in a spirit of discourse. You are not out to "win." You are not letting a graphic depiction of shit or a mindless resort to ridicule speak for you, (although you should find it beneath you to defend that, if that's what you are doing). You are not piling on or echoing or cheerleading as a substitute for thought. You are not one of the usual suspects who runs in only to pile on. Of your post, I think only that it is mistaken, not that it is illustrative of the sophistry syndrome I've been describing here with Ms. Sense as the example. I think you might be mistaken because you haven't paid much attention to the M.O. of Ms. Sense on this forum. You might come to a different conclusion if you review her work more closely. Even if you don't, however, and if you maintain your conclusion about me, with you one nevertheless gets the sense that changes of mind are possible, that you don't always know exactly what you think before you've even thought it. You do not give me the sense, like Ms. Sense always does, that your writings here are entirely instrumental in the service of a chosen crusade with the intent to always play it like a vendetta until those who disagree with you convert or are banned.

[FarLeftFist]

53. Do we want pro-Paul newcomers to feel comfortable here?

[JackRiddler]

54. Why do you support puppy abuse?

[FarLeftFist]

56. Please just answer the question.

[redqueen]

155. *crickets*

[Number23]

278. Yep. Very, very telling

[trumad]

66. Yeah answer the question..

Should we leave the paul douchebags alone?

[Luminous Animal]

62. When has prosense taken on any Paulite newcomers?

[FarLeftFist]

73. I'm guessing you don't recall the barrage of pro-Paul posters that invaded; all with under 30 posts

[Luminous Animal]

79. And I didn't see ProSense taking them on. What I have seen is her taking on

long time Democratic DUers. And I have also seen many of them accused of being Paulites.

[FarLeftFist]

86. Well then I guess you missed it. She also takes on journalists opinions impressively as well.

[Luminous Animal]

90. I believe that she distorts their opinions.

In order to squelch discussion.

And yes, I must have missed it? Got any links of her arguing with Paulite noobies?

[FarLeftFist]

106. Sorry, I don't stockpile links. Whose opinion does she distort? She seems to ALWAYS provide context

followed by her opinion of said content. Also, why bother coming into a post praising a DUer, why not just let a fellow DUer be praised by people who support her? Is your dislike of her beyond your tolerance of her?

[MrCoffee]

113. Matt Stoller's opinion in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002147892

Read the emphasized lines in ProSense's responses. It seemed like a deliberate attempt to distort the original article.

[Luminous Animal]

121. Indeed.

She snipped unrelated paragraphs together to make it appear that one followed the other which distorted Stoller's points. She took things out of context and claimed that that was his point.

[FarLeftFist]

129. Not how I read it. Takes factual statements and rebuts them.

[Luminous Animal]

136. Here is the title of one of YOUR posts...

"I can't wait for Ron Paul to get the GOP nomination"

Context is everything.

[FarLeftFist]

150. Yep, that's me, Please read on. Prosense would at least link it.

[Luminous Animal]

156. Ah yes.

Except ProSense makes her entire argument around an out of context quote (or snipped together unrelated paragraphs from a long article to make the author appear as if she/he is saying the opposite of what they are really saying) and no matter how often she is taken to task for doing such, she persists in other threads of linking to her own posts and using her own out of context quote of evidence for her argument.

[FarLeftFist]

168. Well we are only allowed 4 paragraphs, that hardly means out of context, especially since

She will LINK the ACTUAL article.

[Luminous Animal]

179. Again...

She links to the actual article but quotes out of context. Then later, even when called on it, she continues to use that same out of context as evidence to support her positions but rather than referring to the original article, she uses her own misinterpretations as evidence by providing links to her own posts.

This is a diversionary tactic. It puts the person she is having a discussion with in the position of taking their attention away from the original discussion and now re-arguing points that have already been made.

Look at it this way...

I highlighting an out of context title or sentence of yours and I link to your post. You call me on it. But in other totally new topics, I AGAIN highlight that out of context snip again but I don't source your original, I source myself. This puts you in the position of dropping your original discussion in order to call me on something that you've already spent time on. Sometimes, she links to herself, linking to herself.

[FarLeftFist]

208. My post wasn't linked to an article, it was free-thought. And...

It's not a diversionary tactic if it is a true statement that Prosense linked. I think you're looking WAAY too much into it. Just let her get her praise, what does it matter to you.

[Luminous Animal]

212. It is not a "true" statement when that statement is taken out of context.

As an example,
Romney Defends Use of Out-of-Context Obama Quote
http://www.newser.com/story/133994/romney-defends-use-of-out-of-context-obama-quote.html

"Signalling a no-holds-barred fight ahead, Mitt Romney is standing by the use of an out-of-context quote from President Obama in his first TV ad. The ad—slammed by Democrats and called "ridiculously misleading" by non-partisan campaign watchdog Politifact—features Obama saying, "If we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose," without mentioning that he was quoting John McCain's campaign in 2008.

So, who is telling the truth here. Romney?

[MrCoffee]

139. I'm sorry you don't see it

To me, it is disingenuous and dishonest to editorialize the way ProSense does.

[Luminous Animal]

115. And, I don't agree. She provides links to her own opinion which I often feel is a distortion

of the original OP or the article she is linking to in her link of a link of a link.

As for the rest of your post, I have expressed my opinion of why I disagree with the premise of trumad's OP and with ProSense's discussion tactics. It is nothing personal.

[FarLeftFist]

132. Seems pretty personal.

[Luminous Animal]

133. I can't account for your truthiness.

Believe what you want to believe.

[Whisp]

189. how can she be a squelcher of discussion

when her threads are some of the more lengthy and popular ones here?

does not compute

[Leontius]

215. They are lengthy because people spend several posts trying to get a straight

answer before they realize that that isn't going to happen but they will be called dupes for republican propaganda before they say g'bye .

[A Simple Game]

250. She doesn't discuss or debate.

She makes a statement and then uses circular logic to defend it.

A link to another of her posts in another thread she started is not a defense of a statement.

Her threads are so long because her circles turn into spirals.

[Whisp]

255. so how much time do you spend whining about this?

what would be your ideal solution? To ban Prosense, to MAKE her change her style, to forbid blue links? wtf are you really bellyaching about?

I think I have a fair idea, as do some others here too I'm sure.

[A Simple Game]

297. Talking about her brings out the best in you, doesn't it. n/t

[MADem]

233. Distorting opinion=You have a hard time refuting what she says? nt

[i_sometimes]

87. And this why

I don't get the love. I can't say I have seen any paulites here but I have seen longtime friends and posters, even in this thread getting that label tossed onto them. :shrugs:

[Luminous Animal]

91. I've started a witch hunt list.

Of both the accusers and the accused.

[i_sometimes]

99. Its easy to do...

Some threads are ripe with non free thinking people, I just click as I go. I don't miss them. Some posters I disagree with but like, I keep around. trumad is one as we go back a ways (though trumad doesn't know it),
The way ignore works here better than at du2, you don't see 'ignored', nice clean interface. And at the end of du2, I had maybe 300 on the list though most were tombstoned long ago.
You can still sign in and out or go printer friendly to see who is arguing with you but I hate clicking so...

[lamp_shade]

108. YOU TWO NEED TO GET A ROOM !!!

[i_sometimes]

118. I know right?

A place where we can hang our Ron Paul posters!!1!1!!!

Ok, I am out of gd before I get in trouble, love ya!

[i_sometimes]

114. But I have like 127 posts or something!

How could I be 'one of those' people?
Hint: I am not.

[ProfessorGAC]

410. Wow. Talk About A One Trick Pony

Over and over and over and over and over and. . . .

[Luminous Animal]

425. At some point, I was hoping someone would have an answer.

I still haven't gotten one.

[pnwmom]

252. Not if they're attempting to spread pro-Paul propaganda. n/t

[trumad]

57. No.

The Op is giving props to a woman who is taking on the dirt bags know as Ron Paul supporters.

Pandering? Are you fucking serious?

[Luminous Animal]

69. I've never witnessed her take on any DU Paul supporters.

[stevenleser]

264. I've never witnesses electrical power generation, yet here is my post. Must be working.

Or should I deny that electrical power generation happens?

[A Simple Game]

260. The Op is giving props to a woman that has started

probably half of the Ron Paul posts on DU. There is no infestation of Paul supporters. There is an infestation of Paul posters.

Myself, I think it is a diversion from trying to defend President Obama's faults.

When it's too hard to defend one person, let's run down a different person.

Hmmmm, or is it simply: There is no bad publicity, just make sure you spell the name right.

[JackRiddler]

354. Only Nixon could go to China?

It's true, who else could have started 3 or 4 posts every day with "Ron Paul" in the title?

[Skip Intro]

95. +1

[truebrit71]

141. Bingo.

Put far more eloquently than i ever could.

[A Simple Game]

254. Well said. n/t

[Number23]

275. If only you gave half this much thought to politics and the world in general

Recing this thread in your honor.

[proud2BlibKansan]

309. +1

[LanternWaste]

39. It's very important that when...

It's very important that when confronted by different opinions and perspectives, we "chew them up at an incredible rate. ..." rather than the alternatives.

That's neither rigid nor dogmatic.

[JackRiddler]

48. Chew them up! Beat them! Rah Rah Rah!

[LanternWaste]

60. Precisely.

Precisely.

[Spazito]

41. I agree, ProSense deserves props for sure...

Her posts always have factual information and, when necessary, the links to show where the factual information comes from.

Her facts about Paul and those who support him are invaluable, imo, in debunking the propaganda surrounding him and his libertarian supporters.

[One of the 99]

43. Thanks!

ProSense is my favorite poster!

[FSogol]

137. Same here. One of my favorites. n/t

[FarLeftFist]

45. HUGE K&R! Always factually accurate.

[mopinko]

50. the ps haters are, for the most part,

in the wrong place.
she brings it every day, returning the catapulted propaganda, tied to a brick.
tireless. absolutely tireless.

[Scurrilous]

55. "..returning the catapulted propaganda, tied to a brick."

Heh.

[EFerrari]

199. Yes, DU needs more compulsive brick throwing to make this a better board.

Sorry, I disagree with that.

[whatchamacallit]

59. Who are "the douchebag Ron Paul sycophants that infiltrate this forum Ad nauseam"?

She mostly mixes it up with long-time DU liberal democrats. Are you referring to them?

[Luminous Animal]

65. Must be because I haven't seen her take on any DU Paul sychophants.

[trumad]

67. Well you really haven't been paying attention now have you.

[Luminous Animal]

72. Actually, I have been paying attention.

What I've seen is her arguing with long time DU Democratic members.

[A Simple Game]

265. Of course with the right logic, anyone who criticizes President Obama

must be a Ron Paul supporter.

And why just Ron Paul? Why so many posts almost daily? Why not the rest of the candidates, or at least the front runner? Is it; There is no such thing as bad publicity, just make sure you spell the name right. The obsession makes me wonder.

[jsmirman]

68. Disgusting. ProSense is an e-thug

She stifles legitimate discussion. What a shameful thing that this passes for something to celebrate during an election year.

ProSense won't shut up when "discussing" issues that she doesn't know a damn thing about.

Her "performance" in the horse slaughter threads was a tour de force of ignorance and bullying. To disagree or criticize the administration does not equal being an anti-Obama troll.

There are surely trolls and disruptors that appear from time to time. When you can't see the difference between someone who's been a loyal democrat and more than put their money, blood, sweat, and effort behind our candidates and, more specifically, this president and someone who is simply trolling, you've entirely lost the plot.

Appalling.

[FarLeftFist]

76. Yeah, that darn free-speech stuff, huh?

You have any links to her stifling legitimate discussion?

[jsmirman]

81. Of course I do

just look at my profile and go to "my posts."

Have a look at her "performance" in discussions of the horse slaughter and the current farm bill. It was vile.

[FarLeftFist]

94. No need to, I will defend your free-speech with the same veracity as I will Pro-Sense, the differenc

difference being, you decided to use your speech in an insulting way towards another DUer, Pro uses hers to comment on news articles and debate journalists/DUers in a factual way. Congratulations, you took the low road.

[jsmirman]

135. What?

I took the low road by pointing out how frequently someone takes the low road? The circularity here is mind-numbing.

You have a very odd conception of facts and opinions and a very (in certain specific instances) charitable conception of "commentary."

[FarLeftFist]

153. Mind-numbing? Have any links to Prosense's insults towards you?

Yeah, the LOW road.

[jsmirman]

167. I don't know how to link posts to the "obsolete" forum

just google my user name and "horse slaughter" and the two threads will readily pop up.

And yes, I was accused of having ulterior motives and being anti-Obama, simply for criticizing a general lack of action by the administration in defending the environment and the welfare of our animals.

Of course, I am simply someone who cares deeply about these two issues, uprooted my life to serve the last campaign, and don't see how it is unreasonable to comment on concerns or complaints.

[A Simple Game]

270. I do! I have a link for you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002122711

In this thread she accuses me of focusing on her for simply asking her a question.

In the same thread she accuses at least two other posters of obsessing on her.

She is famous for going off on tangents to avoid answering a question, then often accuses others of doing the same thing.

[BklnDem75]

311. You actually did focus on her

You left the subject completely and made it personal.

[A Simple Game]

325. Read my subject line.

"We can admit that President Obama signed the NDAA?" She had started several threads and posted in others stating that there was nothing bad in the NDAA, then all of a sudden admits there is, but it doesn't matter. I asked her a question. Did she answer it?

She is a prolific poster and I have read a lot of her threads, while reading her threads I noticed that she rarely answers a question unless it is a softball. Hence my next question. "ProSense, have you ever answered a question with anything other than another question? Just curious. I added the just curious because I didn't expect an answer.

I will admit I was a little snarky, but do you consider that focusing on her? It was pretty mild compared to some in that thread. As far as I know, that was the only post I had made in response to one of her posts. Hardly focusing on her.

Read the whole thread, she wanted a fight that day and she picked at least three of them. At least I was only focused on her, two others were obsessed.

A word of advice to anyone, if you don't want attention, don't start posts especially ones that are controversial. If you do, don't be surprised if you don't like all of the responses.

[BklnDem75]

340. I did read that whole thread the day it was posted

Many of you decided to question the OP about her personal views instead of keeping on topic. It was more than just snark, it was an attempt at derailment. ProSense was right not to bother with those questions.

[girl gone mad]

318. That's the Prosense modus operandi..

accuse others of "making it about me" and then feign ignorance when you try to get back on topic.

Not very conducive to rational discourse.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

84. Free speech? First Amendment?

I believe you have Democratic Underground confused with a government entity. It's not possible for a private entity to abrogate free speech.

Thank you.

[jsmirman]

96. I believe that poster was belittling my position

and meant all that sarcastically. In your rush to dogpile you probably missed those fine distinctions.

Being a law student I am very fucking clear on how this all works, thank you very much.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

112. Well, aren't you in a snitty little mood. You'll feel worse when I point out

that I already knew everything you tried to apprise me of, which is why I was responding to THE OTHER POSTER, AND NOT YOU.
I'd recommend getting your fucking facts straight before you come to me in a snit next time.

[jsmirman]

130. I'm not even close to following

you knew the poster was belittling what I said and was presenting something ridiculous and unsaid in an attempt to mock that position, and that this poster was, in all likelihood aware of the distinction you felt compelled to point out, and yet you posted about that distinction, nonetheless???

The only thing I "tried to apprise (you) of" was that this poster did not agree with my position and was sarcastically mocking it using an inaccurate characterization of that position; you were aware of this, and yet you posted that anyway? I'm not following.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

152. .

We probably both have better things to do. But for clarity, let me run you through what I saw:

-You said: PS is an e-thug
-FarLeft said, “yeah, that darn free-speech stuff, huh?”. I interpreted this to roughly mean that FarLeft was making fun of you, and saying that no matter what you think about ProSense, she has a right to free speech.
-Then I said, TO FarLeft, and not to you, that freedom of speech, or abrogation thereof, requires a government entity to be the bad guy. If you tell me to shut up, you’re not violating my free speech rights, because you’re not the government. This was me telling FarLeft that I thought his/her point had no real merit. This was me agreeing with you.
-I think the rest of the conversation is clear.

[jsmirman]

163. I got it now

sorry for any confusion on my part.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

172. it's fine

And I'm sorry for snapping at you. Good day.

[LanternWaste]

98. criticizing petulance is not criticizing free-speech

A petulant, over-bearing, irrelevant series of passages, links and editorials may often stifle many, many things, regardless of whether those things are speech, entertainment, or even an editorial.

However, criticizing that petulance is not criticizing free-speech-- merely a particular exercise of it; and I imagine we all realize there are consequences to speech, whether we wish to entertain our responsibility for them or not...

[FarLeftFist]

110. Just the irony of one using free-speech to complain about someone else's use of it.

[jsmirman]

122. And so the dogpile goes

yes, it would be totally "ironic."

Except being that the term "free-speech" appeared nowhere in the post responded to, this is typical discussion-diverting BS.

How dismal of you.

[jsmirman]

120. "Free Speech"?

---I think I may have misunderstood your post. I *think* I may agree with your point? I'm sorry, I got (and still am) a little confused as to what you were saying. ----


You might notice that this term appeared nowhere in my post. This is such a depressingly common instance of pretending something is in a post, changing the topic to that thing that never appeared anywhere in a post, and then going to town on that topic.

COME ON.

Outside of your discussion of something that was never said in the post you responded to, I am very unclear as to what your point is, at all.

[sufrommich]

82. Please explain how anybody on an

internet discussion forum (other than mods) has the power to "stifle legitimate discussion"? Or "bully" for that matter.

[jsmirman]

101. Really?

Do you really believe in what you just typed?

Your premise: only a moderator can stifle legitimate discussion.

Your further premise: only a moderator can "bully" other posters.

Uh, ten thousand monkeys with ten thousand keypads can most surely drown a legitimate viewpoint with personal attacks and endless contrary postings - postings that are sometimes informed and sometimes not nearly as informed as it seems some would like to believe.

I would imagine that none of those mad typists would be moderators, but, when unmoderated, would accomplish the goals referenced by your premises.

Explained???

[sufrommich]

125. Yes, I believe what I just typed. Legitimate

viewpoints are in the eye of the beholder, endless contrary postings are called "disagreeing on the internet" . If you're going to use personal attacks as "stifling discussion" ,check out who's being personal in this thread, yet no discussion has been "stifled". Legitimate viewpoints (whatever that means) are not "drowned", they're right where they were when they were typed. It's interesting how many here equate "bullying" and "stifling" with people who disagree with them a little too often.

[Bobbie Jo]

149. Much like the handful of posters

on this thread. Got it.

Great demonstration of your point.

[jsmirman]

176. We've managed

to squelch whatever sort of discussion was going on in this thread?

Suuuuuure. Like the Romans were "squelched" at Masada...

[Bobbie Jo]

185. Okay

So you agree with sufrommich in the above post?

Which is it?

Seems you and several others have managed to hijack this thread quite sufficiently.

Of course, I'm not in law school or anything like that, so what do I know.

[Luminous Animal]

186. It seems to me that this thread has been pretty much on topic.

It is about ProSense right?

[Bobbie Jo]

194. Yes

In appreciation of her efforts.

Back in the day, such a swarm of insulting posts on an "appreciation thread" would be considered bad form (tacky) or deleted entirely.

While you might celebrate the freedom
to hurl middle school taunts at will, some of us still remember basic "house rules."

On the other hand...be careful what you ask for, you may get it.

[JackRiddler]

205. Well, speaking of swarms...

An "appreciation thread" for the Swarmer-in-Chief is an invitation. Especially one that hails her specifically for all the "chewing and spitting" she does on the (largely imaginary) local bad guys.

And I guess you missed the Hannah Bell appreciation thread. That was instructive.

[Luminous Animal]

214. I was going to post about that thread...

It was brutal.

[TransitJohn]

228. +1. What happened to that thread was a travesty

and exemplified the new DU.

[Bobbie Jo]

229. Oh, you mean

The Hannah Bell that was banned?

I guess I did miss that one. Post a link!

[JackRiddler]

230. Yes she was, but I was referring to her appreciation thread.

as an example where there was a swarm:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&hl=en&q=cache:QCQcOmFIYrsJ:http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9266634+%22hannah+bell%22+appreciation+thread&ct=clnk

Neither here nor there. This thread says it's about the work of ProSense on DU, so we're discussing her DU work as the subject. There seem to be different views.

[msanthrope]

258. Oh, thanks for posting that...needed a laugh tonight....nt

[Number23]

326. LOL! Unrec'ing = Bullying!

To the ever so sensitive here (funny how they are only ever sensitive when THEY are the ones being disagreed with or called on the carpet) even registering an unrec on a freaking message board is the equivalent of beating someone over the head and stealing their lunch.

Good Lord, the drama. And I'm sure that alot of folks didn't like Hannah, but it is also perfectly plausible to me that the reason so many unrecc'd that thread was probably because of all of the wailing and gnashing over unrecs in the "battle for DU's soul!"

I just can't take it sometimes.

[Bobbie Jo]

273. Thanks for the link

As expected, the "swarm" looks like a number of deleted messages. Deleted because they were inappropriate for an appreciation thread, no doubt.

I believe that was my point.

Carry on with the swarming, look like you have free reign here. Enjoy!

[jsmirman]

188. You and I have very different definitions of hijack, apparently

my definition would focus on the truck being robbed at gun point.

Your definition would appear to include protests signs held along the way, as the "successful" hijack plays out with the goods being dropped off at the unloading station.

I would say that if your definition of "hijack" was the correct one, hijacking would not be a very lucrative business.

[Bobbie Jo]

225. I'm sure those analogies make

sense to you, somehow.

Is this what you would call a "protest sign?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post85

including the subthread....

Looks like the 5th grade lunch table to me.

[MrCoffee]

103. It's really very simple

All you have to do is pick out one word or phrase that was used by the poster you want to stifle (it helps if the word or phrase has nothing at all to do with the original topic of discussion), then divert all discussion to that word or phrase. It helps to have support from other posters when you do this.

[grantcart]

117. Yes she is a bully who continually chokes off wild assertions with fact after fact.

how very thugish of her.

[jsmirman]

147. I'm disappointed that you would view this in this way

One thing that is certainly a matter of opinion is the relevance and salience of facts, in the context of a conversation.

I would like to say that I assure you that I was far more well-informed on the issues surrounding horse slaughter than prosense is/was, and that she would never have had a moment to realize that in her rush to brand a former Obama Fellow as an anti-Obama disruptor, but these things would be just my *opinions*.

You, or anyone else evaluating this contention would have to be the judge.

I really must insist that I made no "wild assertions" in those threads. Of course, this is still my opinion, but I do find the contrary position on that to be willfully unfair. The only "wild assertion" in those threads was that I had some sort of ulterior motive, other than being infuriated that two of the things I care most deeply about - animal welfare and the environment - have, in my opinion, been completely sold down the river/utterly neglected under this administration.

[grantcart]

182. horse slaughter?

Did you really think that I was specifically referring to a particular posting about your interaction with her on horse slaughter?

Her general M.O. is driven by extensive citation of the available facts and clear reasoning. Of course its possible that personal experience can put a person into a position to have a better perspective than what is commonly available and that is entirely possible about the question of sustainability and culling horse population. The fact that you use the word 'slaughter' leads me to wonder if you have a bias to that question because, obviously, it is possible for herds to over populate and require humane reduction. I don't have any facts or experience on the matter and you might be 100% correct on the issue, but the word 'slaughter' is an emotionally charged one.

My comment on 'wild assertions' was a general one and not specific to you or your particular issues as I have no idea what issues you post on.

Your term 'e-thug' however is a comical example of the kind of responses ProSense threads generate and the ones that she demolishes.

There is no thuggery here, there are only facts, analysis, analogies and logic. It recalls the old line that President Truman used when someone shouted "Give em hell Harry", and he responded "I don't give them hell, I just tell the truth and they think its hell".

ProSense doesn't engage in thuggery but responds, in most cases, with facts and reason, and her adversaries think its thuggery.

Now as I said you may have a point of personal knowledge on a particular subject that you are more well informed than ProSense or anybody else at DU about. Its still up to you to make the case in such a way that the expertise you have makes sense and is convincing. My work, for example, brings me into contact with scientists and biologists who work for NOAA, the DOD, Fish and Wildlife. The several dozen individuals who I have had contact with have all stated that their work was severely restricted and interfered with during the Bush administration and that it is 100% the opposite now. One more than one occassion I have sat in sober silence while a doctoral level biologists has teared up and in some cases cried at how they had to compromise their life work while working for the Bush administration. The change afterwards was palpable.

So to summarize. That you would infer that my general response was specific to you, that you use emotional charged terminology, that you find it possible to be the victim of 'thuggery' when exchanging viewpoints in a discussion forum and that you think that this administration has sold 'animal welfare' and the 'environment' 'down the river' does give me sufficient facts to judge your opinions vis a vis ProSense. Finally occassionally I will see someone post a 'pat on the back' thread to someone that I disagree with. I try to stay away and let them have their moment and engage them in the future. Therefore I am surprised that you are surprised that on a thread like this that people who share similar points of view would make it a point to stop by and say something positive. I think even the most casual observer here would not be surprised that ProSense and my positions share a lot in common.

[jsmirman]

187. The bills themselves are referred to as "horse slaughter bills"

so I think it may be a safe bet that you're not quite as familiar with this topic as I am.

I tried - strenuously and extensively - to make my position clear and well-explained in the threads following the removal of the crucial de-funding measure in the Farm Bill. I believe my points made plenty of sense and were quite convincing. As I said, it is easy to find those threads. I have no desire to reopen the issue as the conversation was taken as far as it could go already. I said most of what I have to say on the issue. I'm not sure if you're asking for more - if you are, with what I've already made available, I wouldn't quite understand why you would make such a request.

It's *your* opinion that "there are only facts, analysis, analogies and logic" - it's my opinion that when after one post on the topic I was derided as being an anti-Obama disruptor/troll/bearer of ulterior motives - particularly when I am someone who gave to and sacrificed deeply for the last campaign, that something quite different from "facts, (honest) analysis, analogies and logic" is being employed.

Questioning someone's motives and not their message is about as far from "clear reasoning" as you can get, in my opinion. And is pretty jack-booted, if you ask me. And there was no demolishing that took place in those threads - I will opine as to that.

[Marrah_G]

415. I find it best to just ignore it

[Vinnie From Indy]

85. The Linkasaurus Rex of DU?

I sometimes wonder if Prosense wears a Greyhound Bus uniform after witnessing the amount of bodies thrown under the bus by him/her.

Cheers!

[whatchamacallit]

88. Lol!

[i_sometimes]

89. I am so stealing that....

Do you mind? I had been using 'wall of blue links" but yours is so much better.

[Cali_Democrat]

128. ...

[SammyWinstonJack]

171. ...

[EFerrari]

173. LMAO

[stevenleser]

267. Please feel free to insult me by calling me Linkasaurus Rex anytime. I welcome such a label

and it is very instructive to see people who consider providing links and other factual backup as somehow something to be ridiculed.

You don't even realize what you just said about yourself.

[Number23]

280. I know!! I am LMAO at people who actually think posting links and articles are a BAD THING

Sweet Jesus, could these folks be more pitiful??!

But please bear in mind, these are the same folks that have convinced themselves that because their cousin Rita and great aunt Betty have been Democrats for 132 years and are just SOOOOO disappointed in Obama that this must mean that EVERY OTHER DEMOCRAT/LIBERAL is disappointed as well. And when presented with poll after poll and article after article that tells them in no uncertain terms that they are COMPLETELY wrong, they dig down harder and claim the polls and analyses "propaganda" because they contradict their already preconceived notions.

Fear of knowledge and information -- it's not just for Bible Belt Republicans anymore!

[Union Scribe]

293. I would, but the only thing you link to

is yourself.

[stevenleser]

295. LOL, please, you will have to do better than that.

Nice try though.

[Vinnie From Indy]

408. You know what else is instructive and revealing?

Folks that make false/flawed assumptions and then go on to build laughable and ridiculous arguments. For example, you assume that Prosense actually posts relevant information in her posts when the truth of the matter is that her links are mostly irrelevant, untrue or pure propaganda. In short, simply filling a post with blue linkies does not in any way convey credibility. So, in the end, I guess we can let the fair-minded reader determine for themselves what we have said about ourselves here in this post. Cheers!

[stevenleser]

416. Totally untrue. In fact, the opposite is true. ProSense usually links to the most relevant

information.

That is what upsets her critics, like you. You want her to just shut up because the facts to which she links totally explodes most of the standard anti-Obama memes.

[Vinnie From Indy]

417. I disagree

I think the majority of her posts are misdirection, irrelevant and untrue. So there you have it!

[RetroLounge]

285. +1000 Obama broken Promises!

RL

[proud2BlibKansan]

315. ROFLMAO

[quinnox]

331. If that isn't a "Duzy"

I don't know what is!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

351. ROFL

[jsmirman]

92. Did anyone here actually work on the 2008 campaign?

the answer sometimes seems to be a resounding "no," judging from posts like this one. If posters celebrating this sort of behavior did, than crucial, core messages of the campaign seem to have been entirely lost on them.

Do you realize how much of the success of the campaign came from a clear policy advocating the willingness to discuss any and all issues rationally, fairly, and openly? Do you realize how much *this* is one of the core things that appealed to independents and people not already "sold" on one candidate vs. another?

Do you realize how much it was emphasized that one should DISCUSS the position, and absolutely examine and challenge the content rather than attacking, belittling, or casting aspersions on the speaker himself/herself???

What have we become???

[sufrommich]

97. You're equating internet forums with

campaigns. Why?

[jsmirman]

109. I don't think the policy of open discussion was platform-specific

I never read the part in the handbooks where being reasonable, open-minded, and fair was something we were supposed to shut off when, as members of the campaign, we went online.

I think the better question is how do you NOT equate the two? In the current internet age, *everything* is part of the campaign. What is the purpose of these forums? Is it to backslap ourselves into irrelevance, or is it to discuss, consider and inform ourselves on various issues?

Occasionally, I get the idea of coming here for solace or a little fun, but we would seem to view the potential benefits of a forum like this in very, very different ways.

[JackRiddler]

134. Wow. That should be an OP.

[jsmirman]

158. Thanks

but I fear that it wouldn't go very well. Which is a bit confounding and depressing.

[sufrommich]

169. Which part of this campaign involves calling fellow

dems "e-thugs"? Your actions defy your words.

[jsmirman]

183. 1) I am not part of any campaign anymore

as 2) I am still working on figuring out what this campaign is about/will be about/stands for outside of some unsatisfying concept of "winning."

I will still vote for this campaign, as I find it the preferable alternative - I just am unlikely to be part of it this time around.

I can't say that the lessons of the campaign took perfectly; I did my best and believe I was very effective in doing so. That was a very long time ago.

Nothing can change that I have never been a fan of conversation stifling, distorting, or dogpiling. I do know that - even on the campaign - at a certain point, conversation stifling and distortion had to be stood up to. If you view the use of a single term as equivalent to a constant campaign to brand dissent as the tell of mysterious, sinister, ulterior motives, I am sorry that my intemperance has blinded you to the reasonable truths in my message.

[MrCoffee]

116. You realize that you are answering your own question from post 82, right?

[lamp_shade]

123. She's DU's "Quick Draw McGraw". I love that about her.

[grantcart]

124. I love her but I don't always agree with her.

A year ago we had a very sincere disagreement about the use of a particular adjective.

Neither would back down.

It was ugly.

[Enrique]

127. it's true, ProSense is extremely skilled at what she does.

She might well succeed at ridding DU of discussion of Ron Paul. (other than discussing how bad he is)

She might have already succeeded in ridding us of favorable discussion of Cornel West.

Congrats, I guess.

[EFerrari]

138. I don't think people come here to discuss anything most of the time.

They come here to score points and cheer for their side, taking sides even in the most banal arguments, like is Ron Paul an idiot or not, instead of developing topics like, what does it mean that only someone as cynically populist as Ron Paul would show leadership on the miiitarization of America?

That's the only way I can make sense of threads like this one.

[Enrique]

148. banal? How dare you!

just for that, I'm going to start another "k & r if you like Obama" thread. Just to show you!

[EFerrari]

175. I love you guys but I'm not getting tendonitis rehashing old arguments about nothing.

Although, when an election presents no real choices on either side, it's not clear to me what else we could be doing.

[Demonaut]

131. but ron paul wants to legalize weed....

and no foreign wars!!

ron will be the cause of civil war in this country

[tallahasseedem]

142. K&R!

[trumad]

143. Hey Paulbots...

67 recs...

Eat shit.

[Luminous Animal]

144. What if some who recced this are seeeeecret Paulbots?

Hmmmmmm?

[EFerrari]

193. Next, how many DUers oppose arson, shoplifting or slavery.

lol

[DisgustipatedinCA]

211. delusional

There are lots of good reasons not to like PS's posts and behavior that needn't have anything to do with Ron Paul. You've been very good today. Extra cookie for you.

[frylock]

272. this shit would've been recc'd to zero on DU2

[Number23]

281. Happy to be your and ProSense's 118th rec

Go Get'em, Trumad!

[Maven]

146. ProSense uses an arsenal of intellectually dishonest and diversionary tactics

to hijack threads and squelch dissent.

She is a perfect example of how (at least under DU2, I think DU3 is still too young to judge) someone could abide by the letter of the rules and still disrupt the board. She is beloved only by a certain number of hangers-on who serve as her echo chamber.

Sorry, she is not an anti-Paul crusader. Her attacks are directed mostly at liberal DUers, as others have noted.

And before the aforesaid hangers-on pile on with more with-us-or-against-us crap, fuck Ron Paul and his supporters.

[MrCoffee]

151. Apparently these tactics are to be applauded

I don't get it at all.

[jsmirman]

154. I hesitate to do this

because I am running out of time or inclination to walk this uphill, but I really, really think this is a good post.

[Luminous Animal]

160. +1

[FarLeftFist]

162. Tell us using specific examples of those tactics.

[MrCoffee]

170. You stated upthread that you don't see those tactics being used

I'd refer you again to the Matt Stoller thread for a specific example of the tactics Maven is referring to. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002147892

Taking quotes out of context.

Editorializing by removing or rearranging sentences/paragraphs to alter the meaning

Cherry-picking select words or phrases in responses from other posters to divert the discussion

These are just three of the tactics used.

[Maven]

174. With almost 80,000 posts since 2005

(seriously, how DOES one person amass that many?) I'm sure you can find specific examples. Some have already been provided in this thread, specifically with regard to her attempts to smear liberal journalists with whom she disagrees.

But among her usual tactics, some of the greatest hits are:

1) The collateral issue - focus on "winning" a tangential point that was never raised or is irrelevant to the larger issue, in order to create the appearance of winning on the larger issue

2) The emphasis game - examples of this can be found in this thread. Excerpt a column and then bold items to create a deceptive impression of the author's message, or, alternatively, juxtapose other articles that may be wholly unrelated to create the appearance of support for a column she is promoting

3) The avalanche of links - rather self-explanatory. Create the impression of factual support for a proposition by barraging skeptics with a litany of "evidence" in support, which may or may not be relevant

4) The showdown - keep responding forever until you tire out an opponent, making it look like you've "won" the point. Or, alternatively, get your opponent's thread locked.

5) The nitpick - dispute a detail in your opponent's post to undermine the credibility of an otherwise valid point being made.

I'm sure others can think of more.

[LiberalLovinLug]

191. +1

6) The deflection - If she gets argued into a corner, uses the old "look over there".

7) The Straw Man - Reframes a post or OP through her own distinctive glasses and answers a different question.

8) The Laughing smiley - If all else fails, try and frame the poster and his/her ideas into a joke that other doters can laugh at.

probably more....


There are so few liberal journalists allowed to speak in todays media, odd that a thread would come out on a liberal board praising someone who bashes the few we have left for having the Audacity of Hope that the President live up to his past stated beliefs.

Never thought I'd miss the neg button.

[jsmirman]

192. This

and the 1-5 posts that precede it are also posts I greatly appreciated. I particularly thank you for your second to last sentence.

[JackRiddler]

218. Maven and LiberalLovinLug, these are brilliant posts.

Last edited Wed Jan 11, 2012, 08:02 PM - Edit history (2)

Thank you!

9) The Association: Tie all enemies together into a single Rogues Gallery. For example, if you mention Ron Paul in any way without the required verbiage, even if you're critical, to her you might as well be Ron Paul, and that makes you fair game to also be Greenwald, Taibbi, Stoller, Hamsher, or Norquist by false association with Hamsher, or Cato by false association with Greenwald. Whatever: It's all one 19-headed crypto-Republican Obama-hating, DU-subverting beast that must be banned from sight before it loses us the election! (But remember, the worst thing in the world is conspiracy theory!) Forevermore, no matter how discussion evolves, no matter what you think the topic is, the question will be: And why are you supporting Ron Paul?

10) The Start From Zero: All prior discussions are always forgotten. All premises and points must be made again, and met with the same sophistry at each stage. Always return to the talking-point preset. The constant new thread starting enables this. I've started new threads on a subject so as to reframe and be able to have a different conversation about it, but she can do six a day just to have the same conversation all over again!

So many more, but all variations on the same approach. How about The Eternal Binary (false dichotomies) ?

These are all common elements of sophistry as it is found in all environements and on behalf of all ideologies, but in some ways she presents the Platonic Ideal of a practitioner. It's fascinating and time-consuming. I have to confess it's not just infuriating but also entertaining.

Ah, yes.

11) The Apocalyptic Tell! She keeps trying to wind you up into some admission or revelation, as though you'll finally break down and expose yourself as part of the 19-headed crypt-Republican beast and so turn to dust, like a dissolving vampire.

And the temptation to wind her back in kind is childish but clearly, at times, overwhelming to me. A serious character defect and compulsion in me, a mirror image of hers in this aspect, even if I do try to adhere to logic and can actually change my mind about things and sometimes don't even know WHAT I'm going to say.

That's perhaps the deadliest thing: Never not knowing what you're going to say or think. The philosophy and practice of PR ends up conditioning every possible discussion, no matter how individual.

.

[Luminous Animal]

223. +1!

[Cameron27]

242. +1

Maven and LiberalLovinLug and you! Well said; very well said.

[truebrit71]

394. +1 x2

Nicely laid out...and obvious to see...for those that want to of course

[girl gone mad]

334. Ha! I get #8 all the time.

e.g.:

Hmmmmmmmmmm?

Is this really the sort of thing which deserves high praise?

[ProSense]

306. It's

"With almost 80,000 posts since 2005...(seriously, how DOES one person amass that many?) I'm sure you can find specific examples. Some have already been provided in this thread, specifically with regard to her attempts to smear liberal journalists with whom she disagrees."

...called active participation. Some people start threads and never participate in them. Some people never start threads and simply respond to a few.

Me, I start many threads and actively repond to comments, and often find myself in vigorous debates. Strange on a discussion board, huh?

[LiberalLovinLug]

426. So predictable

See #5 and #8.

[SixString]

178. +2

[EFerrari]

196. Less of an arsenal than a junk drawer. n/t

[whatchamacallit]

200. +1 nt

[Logical]

207. +10000

[RetroLounge]

286. Yup

RL

[Blecht]

355. +1 x 10^99

[Hawkowl]

386. Spot on!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[truebrit71]

393. +1

Agree 100%

[jannyk]

430. Excellent reply! +1000

[treestar]

157. She knows how to debate!

Never gets angry - just answers the debate point. Always backs it up with something. Superb job!

[trumad]

161. Oh my...

75 recs ...

[Scurrilous]

180. And counting...

Great job trumad.

[i_sometimes]

184. Ya gonna

orgasm at 100? I think I recced, if not I will correct that cuz frankly, some people need prosense.


sorry, I keep getting replies to my silly posts up above and frankly, you stroking your own thread...well, you know.

[trumad]

190. I only orgasim

When trolls eat worm dirt.

[Luminous Animal]

195. Hmmmmmmmm.

I have here in my hand a list of 205 that were made known to the Secretary of State Admins as being members of the Communist Party Paulbot Brigade and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department at Democratic Underground.

[Robb]

198. Well I guess that answers the "who the hell alerted on this post" question.

[Luminous Animal]

204. Nope. It doesn't. Recheck that list.

[JackRiddler]

224. See, they blame McCarthy but now we know the witchhunt

was bipartisan and general, and at its worst under the Trumad, erm, sorry Truman administration.

[i_sometimes]

203. lol, check spelling...

Just saying.
How is it suspecting every one of being a paulbot or a troll? You were not always like this.

Man, what DU has become.
I liked it better when there was a common enemy instead of all of this infighting when we all bassically agree on almost everything.

Well, back to tending to my poor sick sheep, it has a urinary tract infection and I have been up for 31 hours trying to see it through to good health. Wish me luck.

http://i.imgur.com/oG4GO

[trumad]

234. Yeah the whole 30 days you been here.

Oh let me guess--- you were a lurker.

[Autumn]

271. You changed your name???

The sheep seems like a familiar topic. Good luck. it's hard to deal with a sick animal.

[JackRiddler]

220. I hope you can get help for that. Do they have a pill?

[Bobbie Jo]

277. ROFL

[JackRiddler]

231. I just recced as well.

In fact, I was Number 100!

Sweet.

[Number23]

283. And you really have to love the people who hate Prosense SO MUCH that they are posting

four, five and six times in this thread.

[kentuck]

181. I seldom agree with the poster you mention...

But I will give her points for persistence.

[roguevalley]

197. applause for Prosense. :)

[BumRushDaShow]

201. K&R

I am too angry at what DU has become. I applaud your persistence ProSense!

[karynnj]

206. You are right - she is tireless and always has the facts when she posts

I suspect that many of the Ron Paul sycophants might be long time DUers. Especially around 2003 and 2004, the dominant issue was the war and they had more in common with Democrats than with Republicans. (In fact, in 2008, a college daughter observed that a large number of people she knew at college, who were for Obama, were more libertarian than liberal. )

[Logical]

209. Wow, this OP is so wrong. I sure do miss the unrec.

[great white snark]

210. I've never had so much respect for someone I've never met.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

213. Yes, I would encourage her to never going after these cultists!

[frylock]

216. yeh, fuck that shit

*unrec*

[yellerpup]

219. ProSense rocks!

K&R!

[malaise]

221. K & EffingR

ProSense rocks

[quinnox]

222. I agree with many of the negative responses

Prosense does not debate, instead she refuses to respond to the points made by others. This has already been noted a few times in this thread by the non-fans.
Also, using McCarthy like tactics is not something I like to see which is often a pattern with that poster. If you disagree with them, they will often try and insinuate you are a Ron Paulite or something. Ironically, some of this has already been seen in this thread. Sorry, but not being a fan of Prosense does not mean someone is a Ron Paul supporter.

I like trumad but am far from a fan of Prosense in general. As far as the real Ron Paul trolls go, I see them being handled quite efficiently and it has nothing to do with Prosense, but with the community at large.

[trumad]

235. Reasonable post and one I repsect...

The others---not so much...

[ellisonz]

226. K & R

[closeupready]

227. She knows how to take care of herself, that's for sure.

I have no strong feelings for her, one way or the other. I appreciate some of what she does, other times, she gets on my nerves, and even attacks liberals and progressives in a manner I think is very, VERY unfair - but we can probably say that about anyone, self included.

I would neither rec nor unrec this. She belongs here, just as most of us do, and I'm glad she seems to enjoy contributing here. So I guess I will rec, for that.

[Old and In the Way]

237. I'm onboard!

ProSense drives the Paulbots/progressive Independents/Republicans insane here. I wish we had a couple hundred more here.

to ProSense! Keep up the good work! Those of us that want to see a Democrat elected support you 100%

[trumad]

238. Honestly

That's why I'm giving her big props.

Just check this thread for proof that she drives them insane.

[Old and In the Way]

240. I've read every one of them - all from the usual suspects.

I could have predicted who'd show up to insult and demean her contributions to getting Obama re-elected.

[JackRiddler]

299. Funny how that power to predict works both ways.

But here's your real laugh line: "Her contributions to getting Obama re-elected." Ah, the sweet smell of self-delusion.

[Old and In the Way]

303. Wait, you mean all of the Obama critics here are helping to get him re-elected?

And all of the supporters are hurting his re-election? That is quite a interesting self-delusion you are weaving Mr. Riddler!

[JackRiddler]

323. Ha. Squelching all criticism of Obama on this board helps to reelect him...

about as much as clapping for Tinkerbell is what really brings her back to life.

The echo chamber some desire is a mostly dead and empty place. It's not attractive and not in the spirit of "forum" or "democracy."

[Old and In the Way]

349. Well, if criticism of Obama is any indicator of getting him re-elected,

I'll consider you one of his biggest boosters!

[Electric Monk]

378. Do you consider William Pitt to be one of 'the usual suspects'?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002122711#post51

[trumad]

241. 109 recs ----douchebag Paulbots.

[lamp_shade]

244. I see a couple of 9-yr-old paulbots rec'd your post too.

[JackRiddler]

245. Hannah Bell had more, actually.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&hl=en&q=cache:QCQcOmFIYrsJ:http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9266634+%22hannah+bell%22+appreciation+thread&ct=clnk

Since unrec is no longer around, what do you think this proves? I thought the site had 140,000 registered members.

[trumad]

246. 112

[JackRiddler]

253. Might get more votes than Perry had in New Hampshire.

[trumad]

256. Thanks for kicking Jack

[JackRiddler]

257. I think this is an important thread. Good reading on the "State of DU"

[Bobbie Jo]

328. Except she was banned.

Go figure.

What do you think this proves?

[JackRiddler]

330. Exactly what the number of recs to this thread proves.

Nothing.

[Luminous Animal]

333. It's funny but about a 10% of those recs are from members

who have made less than 500 posts over the past 6 or 7 years about 25% are people who have made less than 2000 post over the past 6 or 7 years. And suddenly, they show up to rec a thread about ProSense.

Just an observation.

[Number23]

356. And it's funny, I count 37(!!!!) posts from you in a thread about someone you allegedly can't stand

THIRTY FREAKING SEVEN posts.

Just an observation.

[Luminous Animal]

359. What make you think I can't stand her?

I don't even know her. And if I did, I might find her absolutely delightful.

[Number23]

362. Because you're running up and down this thread harassing every single person

who says anything in support of Prosense. Really not hard to figure out what you're trying to do. Question is why you think that anyone cares is the real issue.

Will there be a reply #39?

[Luminous Animal]

366. I'm shootin' fer 50.

But, I ain't wastin' but one more on yew.

[Number23]

367. With every post from you, no matter how inane, the rec count seems to goes up

So, knock yourself out.

[Luminous Animal]

332. She was bullied off the board and it was a disturbing.

A cadre of DUers followed her around and consistently belittled and misrepresented her until she snapped. I don't blame her.

[Bobbie Jo]

335. Yeah...sounds familiar

See: Nance and JeffR

Except she didn't "snap." She walked.

[Luminous Animal]

337. Exactly.

I was no fan of Nance's but I did not like the way she was treated.

[closeupready]

336. She was one of my very favorite posters here.

We disagreed strongly at times, but I found she was always polite and rational. Unlike some.

[JackRiddler]

345. A familiar tactic, one that deserves no praise.

[Maven]

414. Well, you got the "bots" part right.

[Wait Wut]

243. K&R for ProSense!

Yes, those evil blue links...many of which I've bookmarked and used in arguments with RWers. She saves me a lot of time and braincells wading through all the crap for me.

[trumad]

247. LOL

Excellent

[lamp_shade]

249. Oh... you're so right about that. Most of my old bookmarks are ProSense OP's.

[msanthrope]

259. K&R---ProSense, you are the BEST!!

Wall of blue links and all!!!

[stevenleser]

268. ProSense 2016!

[Moosepoop]

269. Huge K&R!!!

Prosense is one of my favorite posters here!

[anAustralianobserver]

276. Prosense is a woman! Everyone stop pretending that you're not surprised.

[Number23]

284. Nominated for Best Thread (So far) of 2012

Recing for the subject matter (the awesome Prosense) and the absolute PANIC that she instills in some here judging by the ever so numerous and eloquent ( ) rebuttals from her detractors.

[EFerrari]

287. And the subheading is, posts that shut down discussion more than any others on DU.

Yay!

As Princess Leah said, if that's what you want, that's what you will get.

Enjoy the quiet.

[Number23]

290. If a post heralding Prosense's ability to shut down Ron Paul supporters aggravates the sinuses

and is what is considered "shutting down discussion" then it's a wonder anyone who would utter anything so stupid would dare post it publicly.

[Luminous Animal]

292. She hasn't shut down any Ron Paul supporters because she's never engaged any Ron Paul

supporters.

[EFerrari]

294. Whooooooooooooosh.

[Number23]

320. That's exactly the sound the laughter makes

Every time I see someone whine that someone is "trying to stifle discussion" by posting a Three Cheers for (x) Poster thread.

Such delicate sensibilities some have here. It's a wonder that even the rain falling doesn't sound to some here like the stifling of opinion.

[EFerrari]

424. Maybe you should ask for a show of hands for "is Beth delicate".

And pointing out the obvious isn't whining. Now if you'll excuse me, this delicate whiner is going to find something more pleasant to do, like scrub a toilet or clean out a catbox.

[Number23]

429. Knock yourself out

I'm sure we won't hear from you for a while since the arduous chore of scrubbing that toilet will probably exhaust you for the next week or so.

[Scurrilous]

296. Seconded.

[RetroLounge]

288. THis thread just goes to show...

RL

[EFerrari]

289. If you don't like it, go start your own agreement board.

[RetroLounge]

291. What the fuck are you babbling about?

RL

[EFerrari]

298. The real question is, why am I babbling here, where this kind of hackery

is praised to the top of the recommended list?

That's just embarrassing.

[Bluenorthwest]

304. Hmmmmmmm?

Support for GOP candidates is not allowed on DU and the admins fully enforce that, constantly. So I do not agree see these Paul supporters you seem to see, and if I did, I'd alert the admins, who'd send them packing. Suggesting that DU allows that sort of thing is rather rude to the admins and the community, and that is not the highest path to praising a poster you like. It is a tactic I don't care for.
I'd like to see a link to an example of one of these shut downs. As a person who has loathed Paul since the 90's, I'd enjoy it. I don't think DU permits what you suggest is going on. If they do, we need to take it up with the admins.
So, in honor of Pro, post a link to one of these lauded shut downs....ok?

[Luminous Animal]

324. If you disagree with ProSense, Paulbot...

If you disagree with her assessment of Greenwald, Paulbot. If you disagree with her assessment of Stoller, Paulbot. If you disagree with trumad's assessment of ProSense, Paulbot. (See - he just called you one down thread!) If you disagree with the raiding of medical marijuana dispensaries or the war on drugs as a whole, Paulbot. If you disagree with the assassination of U.S. citizens, Paulbot. If you disagree with indefinite detention, Paulbot. If you disagree on drone attacks, Paulbot.

You see, trumad has in his hand a list of 205 that were made known to the Secretary of State Admins as being members of the Communist Party Paulbot Brigade and who nevertheless are still working and shaping policy in the State Department at Democratic Underground.

[Bluenorthwest]

419. I figured I'd get no answer. Lots of slandering of DU and DUers in this thread

Really interesting that they think the admins allow such things. Low opinion they hold of the ownership if you ask me....

[Luminous Animal]

422. Check this out. There is even a list of dissident posts!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=157357

[jefferson_dem]

308. Hear Hear!

DU's finest.

[trumad]

314. Kick so I can hear more Paulbot heads explode.

That's right....the popping sound travels right through the tubes.

[Major Hogwash]

341. Good thread.

She is great!
No doubt about it.

[blue neen]

316. Thanks to ProSense for all the work.

Like another poster said, the links save me time when I'm refuting Republican talking points.

Also, thanks to trumad for this thread...it's great to recognize positive work done by fellow DU'ers.

[CakeGrrl]

322. Big K/R

I really appreciate all she does!

[Bobbie Jo]

327. Thank you, Pro!

K&R!

Keep up the good work! Yes, you ARE appreciated.

[MisterP]

338. Mrs. "give NDAA a chance"? no thanx

and the newest incarnaton of Ev Mecham is a side issuse

[freshstart]

339. The Paulites are attacking the DU.

Thumbs up to ProSense!

Thumbs down to the Paulites! Do these idiots realize that Ron Paul is a Republican? And, isn't it against the terms of service. I guess they can't read either. They like to name call too.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?302116-Democratic-Underground-are-hypocrites-and-censor-Ron-Paul-information./page2

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111229235822AAaElho

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?58718-Democraticunderground-(socialist-forums)-torn-up-about-Ron-Paul...


http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=212019.0

[Luminous Animal]

347. Any Paulite that has shown up here has been swiftly alerted on and quickly shown the door.

If there has been an attack, it was a remarkably feeble one.

[blue neen]

360. It's interesting to read through this whole thread.

It is your right to tell us how the Paulites (or whatever they are called) are quickly shown the door, and I think we get your point.

Sometimes, however, I've seen those threads hang around a little too long for my liking.

Thank you.

[freshstart]

361. Not on here

on the Internet. Those are from Yahoo and Paul/Paul Conspiracy sites.

I was searching for some of my old posts to get the links and I stumbled across those links.

[JNelson6563]

343. ProSense always brings the pain for "ignoramus fools",

as you say.

Rock on ProSense!

Julie

[Zorra]

344. knr Glad she has the enthusiasm to get Obama re-upped. nt

[slipslidingaway]

346. "The dude is a one man wrecking crew ..." LOL ...

from the original version without edits.

And when confronted with contrary facts in the past She has not replied.

[maximusveritas]

353. Yeah, but they're kind of doing their job as trolls

in distracting us from focusing on real dangers like Mitt Romney or Rick Santorum.

[Luminous Animal]

358. Are you calling ProSense a troll? She has more Ron Paul OPs on this board

than the rest of combined.

[OhioBlue]

370. Personally I appreciate so much her

posts and links. I appreciate the time she puts into it.

I do understand the criticism of others that have had disagreements with her. If I were in their shoes, I'm sure I would feel the same.

However the bottom line for me is that she does provide many, many links and facts to back up her position. I appreciate that.

Kudos to prosense - a very much appreciated poster at DU!

[Richardo]

375. Likes me the ProSense

Thanks for the thread, trumad

[ooglymoogly]

377. It truly is getting harder and harder to control my

gag reflex.

[SwampG8r]

380. i will pass thanks

she has single handedly made me not want to vote this november
she and her echo chamber are the worst advertising for democrats since bull conners
there is no there in her posts and she will mischaracterize her sources(usually her own damn posts)
i kind of think she is getting paid by the word anyways

[ProSense]

384. Some advice:

she has single handedly made me not want to vote this november
she and her echo chamber are the worst advertising for democrats since bull conners

...people posting on a discussion board shouldn't have that effect on you. Voting is your call, not mine.

there is no there in her posts and she will mischaracterize her sources(usually her own damn posts)

Try these to see if there is any "there" and any "mischaracterize(d)" sources:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=142339

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002155700

i kind of think she is getting paid by the word anyways

You don't seem to understand that wild, unsubstantiated accusations are smears.

I do this for fun and discussion just like you.

[MinervaX]

399. You seem really popular here and controversial

Do you have your own website/blog or do you just use DU to broadcast your opinions?

[MADem]

385. That's a pretty tasteless accusation you finish up with--do you have proof of your claim?

I'd be embarrassed to be throwing around suggestions like that absent any proof, but that's me.

And if a poster on an anonymous political forum can "single handedly" make you "not want to vote this november" you're probably much better off staying home.

Easily influenced, you are, eh?

[NashvilleLefty]

387. How can you say that?

I mean, no offense, but she has constantly supported Democrats and she has has backed it up with honest links. You are making accusations, but I think the accusations you make apply more to you than they do to your target.

[NashvilleLefty]

383. In a World of Disinformation,

ProSense brings facts to the discussions, and backs them up!

We need more people to do their homework like ProSense does.

Thanks, PS!

[xocet]

388. From the following irrefutable evidence, it is clear that ProSense's method is a waste of bandwidth.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post107
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post077
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post340
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post092
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post353
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post354
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post302
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post149
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post133
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post036
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post186
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post131
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post084
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post215
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post192
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post217
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post209
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post078
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post232
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post219
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post047
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post096
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post213
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post050
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post056
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post329
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post086
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post140
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post259
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post168
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post291
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post356
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post069
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002153342#post201

[SidDithers]

395. Blue links!! Blue links!!...

Sid

[Luminous Animal]

420. All the dissidents collected in one handy post.

I love it!

[trumad]

389. Kick for more Paulbot head explosions.

[era veteran]

390. Right On!

Don't you want the 'Right' to buy unpasteurized milk with gold? LOL

[lonestarnot]

392. K & R!

[truckin]

396. It is sad to see this from people who share most of my world views.

Prosense will never criticize President Obama. But she will attack anyone's charachter who does (ie. Glenn Greenwald) and uses other right wing tactics in her arguments. It is hard to take anyone seriously that cannot disagree with the President on any issue. If there is a post where Prosense disagreed with the President please let me know but I have never seen one. If Bush had signed the NDAA I strongly suspect Prosense and her supporters would not only not be defending this bill but would be screaming for his head.

And to call everyone Paulbots, or whatever, if you disagree with Obama signing NDAA is hard to believe on this website. The vast majority of those critical of Obama over NDAA and other issues, that post in this forum, will vote for Obama when the time comes because they realize how much worse the alternative would be. But to suggest everyone blindly support Obama, or get attacked, is ludicrous, dishonest, boring and counter-productive. I see very few trolls on this site who truly support Ron Paul. I do see many who agree with Paul on a few issues but would never vote for him in a general election between him and Obama. Calling anyone who agrees with Ron Paul over the president on a couple of issues a Paulbot just gives many justification for their obnoxious and closed minded behavior.

Debate the issue, don't make personal attacks. Prosense reminds me of a left wing version of Sean Hannity. Just repeat the same talking points over and over more loudly and persistently that your opponent and smear the opponent whenever possible.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

[trumad]

398. seriously

that's all it's worth... 2 cents

[Quantess]

434. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Pro Sense is so boring and predictable, I wasn't going to bother to post in this thread, but then I see you write something that strikes a chord with me, and then see you being summarily dismissed (surprise, surprise).

Anyway, I just want to say that you are not alone.

[Whisp]

403. a new day, a new Rec for Prosense.

[MinervaX]

405. You can recommend posts daily?

What's the time period, 24 hours? How many times have you recommended this thread?

[Whisp]

407. yes, can't you?

[MinervaX]

411. I don't know, I think I've only "recced" a post once or twice.

You can rec a single post several times over a period of time? I thought you could only do it once.

[Whisp]

413. I'm sorry, I was teasing you.

I really meant to say 'kick' as I already rec'ed it. I was going to edit it but didn't want for some to convolute it into 'yeh, let's kick her off DU' or something stupid that is lurking there in that bunch

[bvar22]

406. Welcome to DU3.

Where I ProSense,

and Honk if you Love Obama threads

have replaced one of the best Liberal Discussion boards on the net.

Even on the Old DU, I found these "I (Heart)" Testimonial Threads "honoring" active, living DU members
to be creepy and cliquish, like adults sitting in those little desks meant for Elementary School children.

So it goes.



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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[Robb]

412. If they were so "creepy and cliquish", why did you participate in them?

Edited to add: My mistake, you only participated in such threads dedicated to banned DUers. I apologize.

[Union Scribe]

418. Just put the jumpsuit and Nikes on

and wait for the comet like the rest of us. Stop causing problems.

[RiffRandell]

427. You forgot to say purple.

Jeez.

[Arkana]

445. I don't often agree with you on things, I will freely admit that.

But on this I think we're in sync. While I do admire ProSense's style, this kind of shit belongs in the Lounge.

[Old and In the Way]

421. Another kick to the top of the forum!

This toady :toasts: ProSense!

[politicasista]

428. Kick for ProSense

keeping it real.

[chrisa]

431. Rec'd - I don't know the poster, but I hate Paulites

[Whisp]

433. another day, and another Yay!

[Number23]

435. Yayying with ya, Whisp!

[trumad]

436. Kick for the new mention in Meta.

[JackRiddler]

437. Kicking to revive a hilarious discussion.

#146 makes for a good entry point.

[ProSense]

438. You know

what: Ron Paul is still a racist!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002192767

Ha!

[JackRiddler]

440. You're a master of the nonsequitur, as always.

So is the Romney whom you seem to prefer as the better man, as he's been more careful to restrain the racist rhetoric and would merely start World War III by bombing Iran.

[ProSense]

442. Speaking

"You're a master of the nonsequitur, as always. So is the Romney whom you seem to prefer as the better man, as he's been more careful to restrain the racist rhetoric and would merely start World War III by bombing Iran."

... a "non ssequitur," at least Ron Paul is mentioned the OP. As for your "prefer" comment, you asked and got an answer:
"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=194185

You've also made it no secret that you "prefer" Ron Paul: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=193856

Rooting for Republicans is not my thing.

[JackRiddler]

443. Your preference is made clear by your obsessions.

[jpak]

439. RON PAUL 2012!!!!1111

just checking

[tabasco]

441. K&R!

[Arkana]

444. VOTE RON PAUL KILL YOUR PARENTS

[butterfly77]

447. K&R!

[Rex]

448. Wow this thread has de-evolved into crap.

Can't even say a nice thing or two about a fellow DUr anymore...