Racist Drill Sergeant who bullied black man to leave neighborhood arrested

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

This is the difference between the military and police departments....both have racists in their organizations, but in the military if you get caught, then their is swift punishment and not the “he has been placed on administrative leave with pay until an investigation” response

Edit - and when you arrested by civilian authorities and being held by them, that’s considered being AWOL

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[qazplm135]

1. well

he was arrested by civilian police. Having said that, if they hadn't, he'd have faced some sort of consequences in the military for sure.

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

4. Yes you are correct about him being arrested by civilian authorities

But you are correct on your second point....that’s why I think the civilian police decided to act because they knew

[ProfessorGAC]

7. It Could Be Both, No?

I thought civilian charges didn't eliminate UCMJ actions.
Normally, the jurisdictions don't overlap, but they seem to in this case.
But, I'm not a lawyer or JAG.

[qazplm135]

18. AR 27-10

is the Army regulation that governs everything JAG (including this area) and it specifically addresses what happens when the military and civilians both have jurisdiction over an offense.

Long story short, if the civilians prosecute, the military generally speaking defers.

In theory, double jeopardy does not apply under the dual sovereign theory, so this is a policy, not a law, and exceptions can happen, but I wouldn't see that being likely here.

[ProfessorGAC]

19. Thanks!

That's what I thought! The military can prosecute no matter the civilian verdict, but usually won't.
Got it.

[qazplm135]

28. Yes

although I would change usually won't to rarely will.

I can only think of two circumstances where they would:

1. They think the civilian system is only charging to cover up. It's a sham investigation or with a clearly unjust resolution.

2. The civilian system doesn't come to a resolution (hung jury), or does but new evidence comes to light later that changes the evidence. An example of this is one of Timothy Hennis. He had multiple trials ultimately ending in an acquittal. Later his wife's blood was found in a TV I believe, and that new evidence linked him to her murder thanks to the newfangled science of DNA evidence. The military tried and convicted him of the murder based on that evidence.

I never faced this in my time prosecuting or defending, although quite a few times the military took on sexual assaults cases that the civilians investigated and decided to not prosecute.

[CrackityJones75]

51. Man I don't know about that.

When I was in the Navy in the 90’s there was plenty looking the other way in regards to racism.

[qazplm135]

52. It's 2021

Not 1990.

[CrackityJones75]

54. Yeah and I know how people are.

In 1990 it wasn’t 1960. And in 1960 it wasn’t 1950...

If you are expecting the military to do the right thing, I wouldn’t hold your breath. That said if they do apply the UCMJ he will get busted down. Whether or not it sticks... Who knows. This is assault and possibly battery. Thats what the charge will be. The military is chock full of people that have this on their record and after a time they still advance.

[qazplm135]

55. So first of all

No he's likely not going to get "busted down."

That would require a grade determination review board since I believe he is an E7.

If he is an E6 then he could be reduced one rank through an Article 15 hearing but he can turn that down so the most likely path is a General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand followed by a administrative separation board.

So not only are you making silly nothing changes and "I know people" statements from your singular experience decades ago, but you don't have a handle on what is most likely to happen.

Signed someone who enlisted in 92 AND retired as a JAG LTC in 2020 and is AA.

[Trueblue1968]

2. give him 10 years in the slammer !!!!

[PatSeg]

60. I don't think we should throw everyone in jail

who commits a crime. That is more of a republican attitude and compared to the rest of the world, our incarceration rates are disgraceful. People can be held accountable without locking them up. Fines, community service, anger management programs, and possibly a brief period behind bars if the assailant shows little or no remorse.

Meanwhile, this man has unwittingly made himself famous and the world knows what a hateful racist he is. Hopefully this will have a profound long term effect on his life and career, one that he will never be able to forget. Our words and actions have consequences. Not all consequences should be a prison term.

[Trueblue1968]

63. in my world... the world of true he would be jail material. he would not hurt kids again

i think that young black person was a kid. this bully deserves the bully block in jail. it's a bad place.

[PatSeg]

65. Yes, I understand

but in this country long term prison sentences are excessive, expensive, and rarely rehabilitate anyone. In this instance a ten year prison sentence is out of proportion to the crime. I think justice can be done without always throwing people in prison. It could start with compensating the victim and some form of community service related to the crime. Hopefully his military career will be ended as well. There should be no place for that kind of temperament in the military.

[Trueblue1968]

68. i am getting to the point of Looooooooooooooooooong, hard time. i don't want them to see

the light of day. Perhaps if they thought they would be in jail for 40 years, they wouldn't murder, rape, abuse etc.

i just want those people gone. Evil begone.

[PatSeg]

69. History has proven that harsh punishments

are not an effective deterrent to criminal behavior. These truly rotten people are with us and sadly there are an awful lot of them. We cannot throw them all in prison or make them disappear. Some can be changed and as for the the many who cannot, a civilized society has many means to control them, which is why we have laws. I believe in accountability, but I do not think the answer is always incarceration.

Sadly, the solution has to do with how we raise and educate our children, but obviously it is too late for that in regards to people like the "racist drill sergeant". In oppressive regimes, order and peace are maintained by locking up anyone and everyone who does not comply with the standards the government dictates. In many, they are just executed so as to not waste money and resources. Very efficient if you want to clean things up quickly, even though many innocents will be caught up in the process as collateral damage. But democracy is messy and justice is often slow for a reason.

I completely agree with you in that I would love for such people to be gone as well. I want to live in a world where such evil does not exist, but the system that throws people in prison for long periods of time for behavior like the sergeant's will do the same to basically good people for minor offenses. Our prisons are full of them.

I'm sorry. I am not trying to be argumentative. I just think we need to move into a more civilized society where incarceration is usually the last resort, not the first option. Meanwhile, I am hopeful that his man will get what he deserves.

[USALiberal]

66. 10 years?? Really? Nt

[MagickMuffin]

3. May justice prevail

and Bully dude gets booted from the military with no rewards.

[Elwood P Dowd]

5. Might just lose his DI job

and possibly get demoted. If I was his CO, it would be a dishonorable discharge and hit the road SOB.

[onethatcares]

15. they don't give dishonorables for this

and he would face a board of officers who would decide what punishment to mete out.

If arrested and placed in civilian confinement every day he's there is bad time, does not count to his contract, so it's just like being AWOL.

As a morning report clerk I forget the correct terminology, but that was a long time ago. Suffice it to say his name appears on the personnel accountability record everyday.

He'd probably be facing an "Other than Honorable" instead of anything heavier. As far as benefits, he gets none until he serves 20 years or more honorably.

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

16. Yeah, you are right

Being a former Senior Enlisted myself and having to deal with discipline and punishment, he isn’t going to get dishonorable discharged...and you are also correct about him being considered AWOL while in civilian custody....once the military deals with him, I see either an article 15 or an LOR with an Unfavorable Information File, probably loss in rank, forfeiture of pay, removal as drill sergeant....if he isn’t at 20 then he is screwed because he isn’t going to be able to retire, once his enlistment is up he will not be able the reenlist...I can still see him getting an honorable discharge, but the hurt is that he put all that time in and won’t be able to collect the retirement pay

Edit - you are wrong about the board of officers though....it will be just his Commander....unless he doesn’t take the article 15 or LOR and decides he wants a court martial, then he will have a board of officers

[onethatcares]

30. been a long, long long time since I was in

and as life goes on, changes happen.

I think LOR means "Letter of Reprimand". but I'm not sure. An Article 15 is up to his commanding officer. for sure.

I do know that for any disciplinary actions concerning discharge a board of officers is convened or a court martial can be requested or versa visa or visa versa.

but it's been a long, long, long time .

not poking ya or anything, just going back 50 years and trying to remember.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

34. I do believe you're correct,

LOR does mean Letter of Reprimand, which pretty much fucks up his chances of re-enlistment.

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

38. Yes

You memory is great and correct

You are correct that a court martial can be requested in lieu of Article 15

And, yes, you are correct about the board of officers (which we just called the discharge board)...they normally meet after a NJP punishment (for example, let’s say someone was busted for drugs and decided to take an Article 15...and the punishment was loss of rank and forfeiture of 3 months pay...since the infraction was drugs, the service member would still have to meet a discharge board to see if he/she could stay in)....I don’t think in the drill sergeant’s case that the infraction would be discharge worthy so he wouldn’t meet the discharge board...but he is still screwed and wouldn’t be able to reenlist when his contract is up...

Edit - and yes LOR stands for Letter of Reprimand which is the highest form of discipline before an Article 15

[Treefrog]

23. I don't think you know what a dishonorable discharge involves.

Usually a felony is part of that.

[onethatcares]

32. and his assult would not be a felony

no doubt it would plead down to a misdemeanor.

there goes the Dishonorable out the window.

The blot of civilian confinement on his record just screwed him as it should have.

[Treefrog]

36. Well, his career is most likely shot.

And he did it himself. Perfect. I hope Cassie will still be proud of her manly man.

[Voltaire2]

6. Jackass didn't care at all that he was being videoed.

Like all KKKarens, he seemed to like the attention.

[Skittles]

41. I don't think that is it

I think these righteous, racist right wingers feel so entitled, when they are angry at POC it overwhelms their common sense - they cannot help themselves, that's why it happens over and over and over.

[Johnny2X2X]

47. I think they think they will be applauded

These racist Trumpsters think they’re the majority and that behavior like this will be applauded.

[Skittles]

48. they know they are not the majority

that's why they are becoming more and more unhinged and support stealing elections, suppressing the vote, etc.

[Voltaire2]

57. Sure, but they intend to impose minority rule on the rest of us

meanwhile sgt dickhead is a hero to them.

[Skittles]

64. they intend a lot of things

but they are vastly outnumbered....the fact is, most of us white folk are not afraid of change, and we certainly not afraid of POC

it's like when Trump was fearmongering about the suburbs - fact is, the suburbs have been diversifying for some time now and most people are just fine with it

[Voltaire2]

56. he's a sensation in nazi world.

I think people don't understand what is going on over there, even now, even after all we have been through.

[jonstl08]

8. Good bye

At the very least he is going to lose rank along with a fine by the military. Pretty much he screwed himself.

[joetheman]

9. Didn't person being bullied live in the neighborhood? I thought he said he did.

[Escurumbele]

27. He did say that

[Voltaire2]

58. suppose he didn't.

what difference does that make?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

59. Jeez!!!!

Why so confrontational?
It was just a question, nothing more.
You're reading far to much into a simple question.

[Voltaire2]

61. confrontational: 'what difference does that make'.

WTF?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

62. Ok. nt

[oasis]

10. From "big 'n' bad" to "little and sad".

[jonstl08]

11. Watch him play the victim card

Fully expect him to play the victim card and say he was protecting his neighborhood thus his actions were justified. No way was he entitled to act like that toward the individual. Military is going to have the final say on this.

[Claire Oh Nette]

12. F*ck around and find out, Racist....

I did call the cops, his wife said, with such self satisfaction.
Verbal threats, hands on un provoked assault, on film, viral.

Loss of stripes, time in the brig, dishonorable discharge, and a fat civil law suit. Say good bye to that new house, Tough Guy.

They're so proud of their hatred and so entitled to applause for owning the libs when violating others' rights, they can't help but self incriminate these days.

[jonstl08]

14. Correct

If he is dishonorably discharged it will come up on every background check when he applies for jobs. I guess he never thought of that.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

20. There won't be any DD because the offense he committed isn't eligible for

a DD, he'll probably get a reduction in rank and pay, possible confinement to base and a letter of reprimand in his jacket, which pretty much fucks him when re-enlistment time comes around.

[Claire Oh Nette]

22. Good

Loss of rank is public humiliation visible for every one to see.

Costs him money, too.

He'll resent the punishment, claim he's being picked on and singled out, and will likely commit another hate incident, only in uniform, this time.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

24. +100.

He'll also most likely lose his DI status, which will irk him even more because now he can't bully the recruits around.

[Treefrog]

25. He won't be dishonorably discharged.

He didn’t commit any felony that I can see. But I would imagine his career is kaput.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

42. What if he gets a federal hate crime charge?

[jeffreyi]

13. Headed for a career at newsmax or the like...

[Demovictory9]

53. yes, he will become someone's hero

[LetMyPeopleVote]

17. Lock this asshole up

[jpak]

21. Boo fucking hoo Sergeant Karen

Branded with the sign of shame

Yup

[uponit7771]

26. A racist DI is not going to be tolerated, that guys got some coming

[CaptainTruth]

29. Here is the Commanding General at Fort Jackson:

[link:|]

I don't think he's going to be amused.

[gratuitous]

33. Uh oh

More knowledgeable persons than I noted that the Bully of the Block is a drill instructor, which usually translates to a careerist (I don't know). If that is true, he may very well have opted for involuntary early retirement because of this episode. Too bad, so sad.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

35. Impressive fruit salad he has on his chest.

I think this racist DI is screwed.

[demtenjeep]

37. wow, look at all those ribbons

nice

[Niagara]

31. Good.

[Thrill]

39. So glad these people are being exposed. Can no longer hide

[AllaN01Bear]

40. since marine , wouldnt he go in front of a captains mass, if there is such a thing.

someone told me yes . any mil lifer or retired , help appreciated . thanks

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

43. He isn't a Marine...he is in the Army

I was Air Force, but Non Judicial Punishment or Progressive Discipline is probably similar...this is what I see happening....he probably has a Commander who is a 05/Lt Col...that’s going to be the person to decide his punishment while being advised by the local JAG....since this is high vis and the 05 can have the decision pulled from him, he is probably going to take JAG’s advice....I see either an Article 15 or an LOR, with a loss of rank and forfeiture of pay for a few months, also he will be removed from being a drill sergeant ...he will also have an Unfavorable Information File...all this won’t get him a dishonorable discharge, but he will basically be screwed when his enlistment contract is up and won’t be able to re-enlist...so if his current contract doesn’t get him to 20 year, then he won’t be able to retire....he will get out probably with an honorable discharge, but just threw away all those years and won’t get the retirement benefits

Edit - I think the captain’s mast is a similar process to what I laid out where the Commanding Officer, in that case a Captain (Navy 06), hands out the punishment.

[SayItLoud]

44. He is US Army Sgt. Jonathan Pentland. Fort Jackson, SC.

Disgusting racist. If he is NOT removed from the Army then when he does this again, and he will, someone might get killed. Then the media will question..."why was he allowed to remain in a position of power?".

[LiberalLoner]

45. More at link

https://www.wistv.com/2021/04/14/soldier-charged-after-viral-video-surfaces-confrontation-with-black-man-outside-his-sc-home/

[Johnny2X2X]

49. Sheriff was very impressive

That’s what we need right now. No nonsense, just the facts, this was great.

[BobTheSubgenius]

46. I can't imagine either civilian or military authorities giving him punishment harsh enough to put me

[jmowreader]

50. Reenlistment probably isn't an issue here

The Army now has a new status. Once you hit E-6, which this idiot has, you can enroll in a program where you will stay on active duty to your 20 year mark.