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soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 01:23 PM Apr 2021

Gunman who killed 8 people at a FedEx facility, before killing himself, was a 'younger male, in his


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Gunman who killed 8 people at a FedEx facility, before killing himself, was a 'younger male, in his 20s,' police say.

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Gunman who killed 8 people at a FedEx facility, before killing himself, was a 'younger male, in his (Original Post) soothsayer Apr 2021 OP
A younger WHITE male I imagine or else they would have said his race. redstatebluegirl Apr 2021 #1
And then they kill themselves. leftyladyfrommo Apr 2021 #2
Me either, I guess they want to go out in a blaze of glory or something. redstatebluegirl Apr 2021 #3
And it is so common PatSeg Apr 2021 #5
I think its cowardice LiberalLovinLug Apr 2021 #7
+1, makes me think they're not mentally ill just extreme sociopaths uponit7771 Apr 2021 #10
It definitely isn't mental illness AZProgressive Apr 2021 #18
YEP !! and Putin's Whore made it easier for mentally ill to get guns (link) uponit7771 Apr 2021 #21
Someone with mental illness are more likely to commit suicide AZProgressive Apr 2021 #22
It appears to be an epidemic PatSeg Apr 2021 #4
Aha, I was waiting for the first prediction of the shooter's race, gender, political beliefs, etc. Treefrog Apr 2021 #9
People seem to always assume it is a POC which makes me nuts when almost always redstatebluegirl Apr 2021 #13
It isn't that hard to guess with mass shooters AZProgressive Apr 2021 #17
If he had been Black, that would have been the lede StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #12
Funny isn't it.....the ones killing in these mass shootings, are usually always white, a kennedy Apr 2021 #14
Not surprising at all. Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2021 #6
The three A's. Accessibility to guns, Anger. losing their shit. Alcohol. CTyankee Apr 2021 #8
Getting fired seems to be a big one. nt leftyladyfrommo Apr 2021 #11
That would fit under Anger. CTyankee Apr 2021 #24
Brandon Scott Hole, 19, born August 2001 Celerity Apr 2021 #15
Sad. soothsayer Apr 2021 #16
first Gen Z mass shooter that I can recall, mass gun murderers have permeated every American Gen, Celerity Apr 2021 #19
At least his parents didn't name him Harry. Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2021 #20
heavy.com, as usual, has the early details muriel_volestrangler Apr 2021 #23
Horrific...Sad, Very Sad...What is Sadder? I doubt it will be the last of these shootings Stuart G Apr 2021 #25

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
1. A younger WHITE male I imagine or else they would have said his race.
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 01:32 PM
Apr 2021

These mass shootings tend to be young white males for some reason.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
3. Me either, I guess they want to go out in a blaze of glory or something.
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 01:35 PM
Apr 2021

I wish they would just kill themselves and not take innocent people out with them.

PatSeg

(47,463 posts)
5. And it is so common
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 01:42 PM
Apr 2021

Even men who come home and slaughter their entire families and then turn the gun on themselves. That sort of scenario has been around for decades. Now they have more deadly weapons, so they can kill more people, often indiscriminately before committing suicide.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
7. I think its cowardice
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 01:50 PM
Apr 2021

They don't want to come down from the "high". And face the consequences. And be brought back to reality. A small kernel in the depths of his little mind KNOWS this was wrong, and he doesn't want it to ever have a bigger voice.

The fear of the possibility of regretting his actions later, having to face the loved ones of those he killed and the fear that he may just admit he did something awful......is more fearful than escaping by taking his own life before he has a chance to think about it any more.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
18. It definitely isn't mental illness
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 02:17 PM
Apr 2021

Other countries have similar rates of mental illness but they don't have the same gun violence problem. Easy access to guns is the issue.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
22. Someone with mental illness are more likely to commit suicide
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 02:36 PM
Apr 2021

Keeping guns from them will help with the gun suicide rate but not so much when it comes to mass shootings.

Study(psychiatryonline.org) after study(www.sciencedirect.com) has demonstrated that people with mental health issues commit only a miniscule percentage of mass shootings and account for less than 1% of annual gun homicides. According to a study based on Swedish data published in the American Journal of Psychiatry, only 3%-5% of violent crimes are perpetrated by someone with a mental illness.(ajp.psychiatryonline.org) In fact, people with serious mental illnesses are more likely to be the victims of violence.(www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) And the vast majority of gun deaths in America are from suicide, meaning those with mental illness are far more likely to harm themselves than others.

https://www.aafp.org/news/blogs/freshperspectives/entry/20190918fp-massshootings.html

PatSeg

(47,463 posts)
4. It appears to be an epidemic
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 01:36 PM
Apr 2021

Young angry white men with easy access to military style weapons is a deadly combination.

 

Treefrog

(4,170 posts)
9. Aha, I was waiting for the first prediction of the shooter's race, gender, political beliefs, etc.
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 02:00 PM
Apr 2021

Usually there are many many threads. People seem to have learned.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
13. People seem to always assume it is a POC which makes me nuts when almost always
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 02:10 PM
Apr 2021

these mass shooters are white males. But they will never say that in any of the reporting, it is just a young male. If he were Black it would say a young Black man in huge letters. Makes me crazy!

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
17. It isn't that hard to guess with mass shooters
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 02:12 PM
Apr 2021
Ninety-seven percent of mass shooters are male.(www.statista.com) The overwhelming majority are white.(www.statista.com) Beyond that, mass shooters share weaker links. They have beliefs ranging from misogyny(www.researchgate.net) to white supremacy. Some are seeking revenge. Many have a history of domestic violence.(www.vox.com)

https://www.aafp.org/news/blogs/freshperspectives/entry/20190918fp-massshootings.html

I'm also posting this because others in this thread have some inaccurate theories why people commit mass shootings.

The #1 problem is the easy access to guns.

a kennedy

(29,663 posts)
14. Funny isn't it.....the ones killing in these mass shootings, are usually always white,
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 02:11 PM
Apr 2021

and the ones doing the dying are usually always non white.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,854 posts)
6. Not surprising at all.
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 01:46 PM
Apr 2021

It's almost always males doing this stuff, often the younger ones.

I looked up mass shooting statistics several years ago, and it was over 99% males who did it.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
8. The three A's. Accessibility to guns, Anger. losing their shit. Alcohol.
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 01:57 PM
Apr 2021

That's what I've learned about the incidences of gun violence in this country.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
24. That would fit under Anger.
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 08:18 PM
Apr 2021

I've been looking at this problem since a family member died by gun violence. In her case, her killer was a family member, he was angry, he had been drinking and he had a gun in his nightstand for "protection."

Celerity

(43,383 posts)
19. first Gen Z mass shooter that I can recall, mass gun murderers have permeated every American Gen,
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 02:17 PM
Apr 2021

except Generation Alpha (oldest of that cohort turned 8 this year, so too early, save for an accidental shooting if they get hold of an adult's gun, which has lickely already happened, ffs).



On edit, perhaps I am wrong, and there have been other Gen Z mass shooters, as the oldest Gen Z'ers are already 24.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,854 posts)
20. At least his parents didn't name him Harry.
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 02:21 PM
Apr 2021

My oldest brother said there was a kid named Harry Hole at his school, in the 60's.

Not surprised it was yet ANOTHER mass shooter who was male, regardless.

Edit: To clarify, that kind of name might make me suspect that his parents were abusive.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,319 posts)
23. heavy.com, as usual, has the early details
Fri Apr 16, 2021, 03:23 PM
Apr 2021

Take them with a pinch of salt, as appropriate for a quick "who is he?" effort:

CNN’s Ana Cabrera reported that the suspect, Brandon Scott Hole, was on authorities’ radar before the mass shooting.
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Cabrera added, “A family member of the suspected shooter reached out to authorities warning about the suspect’s potential for violence, according to three law enforcement sources briefed on the matter.”

Bob Segall, WTHR journalist, wrote, “An IMPD police report states Brandon Hole was arrested on March 3, 2020, when police were dispatched to a far Eastside house (the same house police and ATF searched this morning following the FedEx shooting). The report says police ‘seized shotgun from dangerous person.'”
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When asked if the shooter was an employee at the FedEx facility, Cook said that was not yet known. According to a job listing for a package handler at the facility, the shooting happened just before the shift change between the twilight sort, which starts at 5:30 p.m., and the midnight sort, which begins at 11:30 p.m.

https://heavy.com/news/brandon-hole/
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