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rpannier

(24,331 posts)
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 08:06 PM Apr 2021

The police officer who fatally shot 13-year-old Adam Toledo was listed as a victim on an incident re

The police officer who fatally shot 13-year-old Adam Toledo was listed as a victim on an incident report. One law-enforcement expert said it's 'an old cop trick meant to muddy the murky waters.'

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The report identifies the officer as Eric Stillman, 34, listing him as a victim in an aggravated assault of a law-enforcement officer. According to a tactical-response report that COPA released, Toledo was armed with a semi-automatic pistol, which was "displayed, not used" during the incident.

Tom Nolan, a law-enforcement expert who previously worked with the Boston Police Department, told Insider that listing the officer as the victim in the incident is "a long-used and hackneyed police trope" to recast the "focus of culpability and blame onto the actual victim of the police deadly-force incident, i.e., the person who the police killed."

"Thus the victim, in this case, the unarmed dead child who is shot and killed by police becomes the 'perpetrator,' and the police officer shooter, the killer, assumes the posture and pose of 'victim,'" he said. "It's an old cop trick meant to muddy the murky waters and is often used in the aftermath of what we cops call a 'bad shoot.'"

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"It is done in a time where law enforcement wants to try to be cleared of a controversial issue or they want to try to gain more of the sympathy or, you know, more of a view that they are the victim themselves and not the state or not that the guy just had the gun in his hand," Titus told Insider.

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The police officer who fatally shot 13-year-old Adam Toledo was listed as a victim on an incident re (Original Post) rpannier Apr 2021 OP
Take note what this says about the department as a whole, not just the killer cop. RockRaven Apr 2021 #1
+1 crickets Apr 2021 #3
It's the definition of sytemic. 2naSalit Apr 2021 #15
Abolish it all. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #2
K&R Solly Mack Apr 2021 #4
Reminds me of "they put their lives on the SharonClark Apr 2021 #5
Lots of sizable mid-sized cities in the U.S. are as crime-free as many very small towns rpannier Apr 2021 #6
there are a lot of quiet hoods in chi, and other cushy jobs. mopinko Apr 2021 #8
Cops are not even in the top ten most dangerous jobs Bettie Apr 2021 #12
The Chicago cops are known for carrying throwdowns CanonRay Apr 2021 #7
I can attest to that. I've been told so by cops there. nt Progressive Jones Apr 2021 #9
I grew up there, and worked there in law enforcement CanonRay Apr 2021 #10
I grew up there, too. I've known many cops over the years. Progressive Jones Apr 2021 #13
To me, a cop who ignores a bad cop CanonRay Apr 2021 #14
I fully agree. nt Progressive Jones Apr 2021 #16
They do it because they get away with it StarfishSaver Apr 2021 #11

RockRaven

(14,983 posts)
1. Take note what this says about the department as a whole, not just the killer cop.
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 08:14 PM
Apr 2021

If you are looking for justice, it won't come from this department.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
5. Reminds me of "they put their lives on the
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 08:33 PM
Apr 2021

line everyday”. For what percentage of cops is that true? Where I live, very few, and most days 0%.

rpannier

(24,331 posts)
6. Lots of sizable mid-sized cities in the U.S. are as crime-free as many very small towns
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 08:37 PM
Apr 2021

That old trope of putting their lives on the line is as tiresome as it is inaccurate

mopinko

(70,178 posts)
8. there are a lot of quiet hoods in chi, and other cushy jobs.
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 09:34 PM
Apr 2021

cops in schools, dignitary details.
they're big babies when it comes to stepping into some shit. trust me on this.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
13. I grew up there, too. I've known many cops over the years.
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 09:55 PM
Apr 2021

My Dad owned a bar that a lot of cops from Shakespeare (14th) frequented.

My Dad also palled around with a Chief of Detectives, Bill Hanhardt, He turned out to be the leader
of a jewel theft ring, but that's a story for another time.

An ex-bro-in-law is a Homicide Detective (he's a boy scout/clean cop). Several childhood friends became cops ("the family business", LOL). Some clean, some dirty.

My point is, I've heard a lot about their world from the horses mouths. While most do a good job, there are more shady ones, and just plain assholes out there than people like to think.

It's not a matter of "just a few" bad ones.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
11. They do it because they get away with it
Tue Apr 20, 2021, 09:44 PM
Apr 2021

Just look at the number of people on DU who insisted that the child throwing away a gun and putting his hands up was actually a threatening gesture.

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