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Neighbor releases home surveillance video. The girl in pink was one quarter of a second away from... (Original Post) demmiblue Apr 2021 OP
She was paying absolutely no heed to the officer trying to Wingus Dingus Apr 2021 #1
Is that the guy who kicked the other girl when she was down? exboyfil Apr 2021 #11
Yeah, I watched several times and it looked like he was trying to Wingus Dingus Apr 2021 #18
No there is not DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #19
Well, right in front of the officer he's stomping on someone. Wingus Dingus Apr 2021 #24
She was temporarily insane with rage. But that cop could have killed the woman being attacked. nt joetheman Apr 2021 #57
That's pretty damning, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #2
in a less charged political climate, SOME might even call the cop a HERO. WarGamer Apr 2021 #4
There are no heroes in a system designed to hurt people. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #6
"save" people... 2 sides to the tragic coin in THIS case WarGamer Apr 2021 #7
Plenty of heroic police officers. Wingus Dingus Apr 2021 #9
Imo, that's an extreme viewpoint. This is an era of intensified Hortensis Apr 2021 #65
The policing system we have now is extreme. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2021 #69
If so, and generalities like this virtually always turn out not to be correct Hortensis Apr 2021 #70
The mother of the girl in pink might disagree. n/t pnwmom Apr 2021 #100
I've not weighed in on this one at all, hoping more would come out to clarify the circumstances hlthe2b Apr 2021 #17
Ma'am, this is an internet message board... greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #40
And yet you seem not to want those who disagree with you to post their opinion, Ma'am hlthe2b Apr 2021 #44
Jeez, take it easy greenjar_01 Apr 2021 #47
It's an internet meme Sympthsical Apr 2021 #52
It's not that. Withhholding aquittal is one thing. Sympthsical Apr 2021 #67
Well said. Treefrog Apr 2021 #106
Well said...ditto Chakaconcarne Apr 2021 #114
Damn. WarGamer Apr 2021 #3
Hard to tell from the video NQAS Apr 2021 #14
She was obviously in a rage, probably didn't even see the cop. WarGamer Apr 2021 #20
Have they arrested the adult for stomping on the other girl? WarGamer Apr 2021 #5
I wonder what precipitated this tragedy? OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2021 #8
The back story which I didn't confirm exboyfil Apr 2021 #16
Would it make a difference Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #23
One police officer. One human being in the middle of all of that chaos. hamsterjill Apr 2021 #10
Apparently she was in a foster home, which, IMO, failed her. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #12
big time. WarGamer Apr 2021 #22
foster parents, and parents for that matter, are not magicians Kaleva Apr 2021 #34
That's kinda what I was aiming for, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #37
I would agree with you there. Kaleva Apr 2021 #41
I read she was an honor student and had a good relationship with her JI7 Apr 2021 #80
... MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #81
She may have been just fine DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #27
That's really stretching there, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #33
You are stretching things DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #36
Ok nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #38
which is what all of us stopdiggin Apr 2021 #60
nah DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #61
So the police officer should just hope that non-lethal force wasn't required, pnwmom Apr 2021 #49
Wrong conclusion DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #56
I agree. In the second he had to decide, he made the correct decision. n/t pnwmom Apr 2021 #59
Now you're just trolling. rockfordfile Apr 2021 #93
Yes, and not the only one, unfortunately. Nixie Apr 2021 #105
No we won't. But you know what we do know? GulfCoast66 Apr 2021 #95
I'm on your side DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #96
She ignored the cop and lunged at a smaller girl with a knife. pnwmom Apr 2021 #101
Oh please. Treefrog Apr 2021 #107
I agree. rockfordfile Apr 2021 #92
Racist cop should've tased the knife from this mostly unarmed scared kid's hand Devil Child Apr 2021 #13
That does seem to be the theme of some here. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #15
+1 MCE, It is bordering on absurdist theater at times Devil Child Apr 2021 #31
You assume there's a border Sympthsical Apr 2021 #53
That border was breached hours ago. 11 Bravo Apr 2021 #77
Someone suggested throwing his baton exboyfil Apr 2021 #32
Right cuz there's no such thing as racist ass cops your sarcasm is shitty at best uponit7771 Apr 2021 #45
here is a convenient example of a white cop shooting a white teen suspect for you Devil Child Apr 2021 #48
So? thx in advance uponit7771 Apr 2021 #75
The cop treated the life of the Black girl in pink as worth protecting, pnwmom Apr 2021 #50
Not the argument and you know it or you should by now, .. whatever uponit7771 Apr 2021 #74
It IS the argument. Since the cop would have done the same thing in an argument pnwmom Apr 2021 #82
"I don't think the shooting was racist." ... still not the argument Maddow made in her ... uponit7771 Apr 2021 #87
WTF does Maddow's comment have to do with this case? GulfCoast66 Apr 2021 #94
I haven't said a word about Maddow. The OP wasn't about Maddow. So why are pnwmom Apr 2021 #97
Is anyone looking at Joy Reid's segment right now 7:20pm ?! JUST MY POINT !! I'm not the only uponit7771 Apr 2021 #89
All of that is true but NOT RELEVANT to this particular case. In this particular case pnwmom Apr 2021 #98
Has it occurred to you as to why there are no widespread demonstrations MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #83
Yes, the shooting was justified which also ignores the argument even Maddow made uponit7771 Apr 2021 #85
Thank you for acknowledging that this MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #86
No one has said it wasn't a justified shooting, omg ... did anyone see Maddow's segment ?! uponit7771 Apr 2021 #88
Like hell nobody here as said this wasn't a justified shooting, MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #91
I guess I imagined my whole day on DU yesterday n/t kcr Apr 2021 #102
Then make an OP about whatever Maddow said. This is a thread about the Bryant case pnwmom Apr 2021 #99
sorry, but you (and some other posters) deserve some push-back stopdiggin Apr 2021 #63
Now you're making shit up, whatever uponit7771 Apr 2021 #73
Not just this incident. Treefrog Apr 2021 #108
I sit on my hands (more than a few times) stopdiggin Apr 2021 #109
Police officer is extremely lucky none of those 4 bullets went into the bullwinkle428 Apr 2021 #21
Must have had a good instructor Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 2021 #25
He is a member of the Air National Guard ripcord Apr 2021 #43
Observations: sarisataka Apr 2021 #26
Good observations on a chaotic situation n/t Devil Child Apr 2021 #29
misjudged DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #30
It is possible sarisataka Apr 2021 #42
Well said nt DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 2021 #58
Thank you for a plain recitation of observable facts Sympthsical Apr 2021 #54
Thank you for this. Treefrog Apr 2021 #28
IMHO, I believe this will be classified as a justified shooting. Kaleva Apr 2021 #35
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 2021 #39
They are all justified killings when it comes to black people The bigger issue is necessary killings uponit7771 Apr 2021 #46
So society didn't just put Chauvin away Sympthsical Apr 2021 #55
The exception and you know it uponit7771 Apr 2021 #76
Only in The Narrative Sympthsical Apr 2021 #79
Awkward to the Narrative Sympthsical Apr 2021 #51
We don't need all that 48656c6c6f20 Apr 2021 #62
Sorry, I can't be with you on this Sympthsical Apr 2021 #64
I want to hear what the Girl in Pink herself has to say about all this. Buns_of_Fire Apr 2021 #66
Good god! Not me! Why drag another child thru this shit show. GulfCoast66 Apr 2021 #72
The colder, clinical side of me wants to understand what triggered all this. Buns_of_Fire Apr 2021 #84
How about the adults who around this exboyfil Apr 2021 #111
Proper Action Willto Apr 2021 #68
Well said. mia Apr 2021 #71
Yes this is not a Derek Chauvin situation, for sure FakeNoose Apr 2021 #78
If I were to roll up and see my wife about to be stabbed. And I happened to have a firearm GulfCoast66 Apr 2021 #90
I think the cop saved a life. flying rabbit Apr 2021 #103
I still don't understand what gldstwmn Apr 2021 #104
Would still like to know, why FOUR shots? garybeck Apr 2021 #110
Because when you shoot an armed person, marie999 Apr 2021 #112
Regarding shooting someione in the leg: Police are trained to shoot for center of mass. Dial H For Hero Apr 2021 #115
The officer has 2 problems to solve at the same time. marie999 Apr 2021 #113

Wingus Dingus

(8,059 posts)
1. She was paying absolutely no heed to the officer trying to
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:38 PM
Apr 2021

break them up. It's as if he wasn't there, just went right around him to attack the girl in pink. I think that was the deciding factor for him to act immediately with his weapon--she was just FOCUSED on hurting someone, single-mindedly. On edit--there was another person who seemed to be trying to hinder or strike at the police officer as well--tall figure dressed in black. But the officer was focused on the knife wielder--cannot really fault him here.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
11. Is that the guy who kicked the other girl when she was down?
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:55 PM
Apr 2021

It appears him and the knife wielder were together. He should have been putting his energy into stopping his associate from trying to knife another girl.

Wingus Dingus

(8,059 posts)
18. Yeah, I watched several times and it looked like he was trying to
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:58 PM
Apr 2021

ignore or hinder the police officer right up until the weapon was drawn. These might have been teenagers, but they were adult sized and strong. He was trying to get control of the situation as best he could, got into the middle of it to break it up with no other backup--and most impressively, he never lost focus on the girl with the knife. I just can't find fault here, I think he did the best he could.

19. No there is not
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:01 PM
Apr 2021
-there was another person who seemed to be trying to hinder or strike at the police officer as well

nope

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
70. If so, and generalities like this virtually always turn out not to be correct
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 06:34 PM
Apr 2021

when examined, where extremism is seen would be the result of extremism spreading from outside into the departments. Growing extremism is a grave danger to our nation and could bring it down. That's why it's being fostered among all vulnerable to it.

Btw, back in the 1990s for the most part urban-especially black communities were demanding stronger policing and stronger and longer sentences to combat unacceptable levels of crime.

Another great inequity in policing is that it costs a great deal of money, and there's never enough to go around. The result is that communities with lower voting and tax revenue levels get less investment than those that do vote, donate, and expect good policing (typically higher income and educational levels).

The very long, and obvious, pattern has been acceptance of higher crime rates in low-income communities that simply are not allowed in more prosperous communities.

These patterns have long been claimed to "validate" bigoted conservative notions that minorities are inferior and prone to crime; of course they're not willing to pay to give poor parts of town the same low crime rates as more affluent by more and better policing service.

You might want to drive around and see this for yourself. It's out there for anyone who looks.

hlthe2b

(102,361 posts)
17. I've not weighed in on this one at all, hoping more would come out to clarify the circumstances
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:58 PM
Apr 2021

But, I think it highly unfair to judge those who are withholding any "acquittal" of the police actions without all the facts becoming clear.

Jumping to conclusions--sans all the facts--is problematic in BOTH directions. THAT is why police-involved shootings are investigated. Why would you suggest it is fine to conclude without those same facts?

hlthe2b

(102,361 posts)
44. And yet you seem not to want those who disagree with you to post their opinion, Ma'am
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:50 PM
Apr 2021

But you have no problem interjecting a rude comment in a discussion that did not include you, was in no way directed to you.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
47. Jeez, take it easy
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:56 PM
Apr 2021

It's a joke. I have no problem with people who disagree with me. I'm not running around calling divergent opinions "sickening" or questioning the morality of the posters. That's other folks.

Have a good one.

Sympthsical

(9,113 posts)
52. It's an internet meme
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 03:29 PM
Apr 2021

It goes, "Ma'am, this is a Wendy's . . ."

The idea being, someone in the drive thru is requesting a lot of things that are unreasonable given the environment.

In this case, it's the internet. You're requesting an awful lot of it.

Sympthsical

(9,113 posts)
67. It's not that. Withhholding aquittal is one thing.
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 05:31 PM
Apr 2021

But we're not getting that. We got a lot of condemnation. Then the videos came out. Now it's, "Let's wait." I'm an evidence-based person. I want as much objective information as I can get before making an opinion.

"Let's wait," isn't the Narrative now. The Narrative now is why the cop didn't do the other hundred other options fabricated from the comfort of an office chair or the smear of an iphone in a coffee shop on the internet.

"Let's wait," has become a deflection in a dozen different tangential directions, because the main - exceedingly false - Narration didn't pan out.

A cop saved a black girl's life. It's there. Plain as day, on video. But people married themselves to the Narrative. Within all of two hours, I may add. And they can't admit they screwed up on that one. Newp. Gotta dig in. So now we're going deep, deep into the psychology of all involved - a luxury never afforded when the facts match the Narrative - and given absurdly wrong what if's not based on any physical laws or even passing knowledge of human behavior.

Dogmatists react according to dogma. And here we see it. Why do we think only the Right is somehow vulnerable to it? Humans are humans, with all the same impulses and failures.

A cop saved a black life. He had to take one to do that, but he did. And he was still wrong. Because, white. If he had done less or nothing, the headline would've been, "White cop didn't care, watched black girls murder each other." This human is not set up to win in any scenario whatsoever. The white guy loses.

Once your Narrative must be that, you're no longer seeking progress. You're seeking something else entirely.

WarGamer

(12,484 posts)
3. Damn.
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:41 PM
Apr 2021

Hope the Pink girl grows up to be a Cancer Researcher or School Teacher or something else that benefits thousands of others because she was given a gift.

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
14. Hard to tell from the video
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:57 PM
Apr 2021

but if she hadn't continued to go after the other girl, requiring a copy to restrain her, then no one might have been shot.

Not second guessing anything here. Just another perspective.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,610 posts)
8. I wonder what precipitated this tragedy?
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:50 PM
Apr 2021

Totally a no win situation for the cop. This happened in the first 15 seconds of him coming on scene. No time to get the situation diffused. I'd have done the same thing in this situation.

I imagine everyone at the gathering will have their view of what happened, documented.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
16. The back story which I didn't confirm
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:58 PM
Apr 2021

involves the one that went to the ground and the one in pink bullying the knife wielder. That doesn't change accountability for the cop which I felt acted within the law given the circumstances. I want to know what adults were present and what the f__k they were doing. I think the one who kicked the girl on the ground was an adult.

hamsterjill

(15,224 posts)
10. One police officer. One human being in the middle of all of that chaos.
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 01:53 PM
Apr 2021

Did his job. He protected and served.

I’m sorry a 16-year old child is dead. It’s a horrific thing undoubtedly. And I know it’s unpopular right now to ask where her parents were, how she had a knife, etc. But the other young lady would be maimed or dead had the officer not acted.

Kaleva

(36,343 posts)
34. foster parents, and parents for that matter, are not magicians
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:27 PM
Apr 2021

As a former foster parent, my guess is this girl was way beyond what the foster parents could handle.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,438 posts)
37. That's kinda what I was aiming for,
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:30 PM
Apr 2021

but I seem to have worded it poorly.

I give foster parents all the praise in the world, what I meant is that the state itself failed her.

Kaleva

(36,343 posts)
41. I would agree with you there.
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:37 PM
Apr 2021

One of the reasons I'm not a foster parent anymore is that I don't think I could handle having a child in my care returned to what i know to be a very bad situation. It almost happened once but my wife and I immediately went to battle to fight for the little girl in our care when the state wanted to return her to her mother. We won and she is now a very happy, well adjusted 6 year old who lives with her father and his wife (who is not the girl's biological mother).

JI7

(89,269 posts)
80. I read she was an honor student and had a good relationship with her
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:44 PM
Apr 2021

mother and some other family.

I'm not sure why she was in a foster home at this time but it looks like she kept regular contact with her mother and other bio relatives.

I keep thinking if she had undiagnosed mental health issues. Which might have made her paranoid others were after her .

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,438 posts)
81. ...
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:46 PM
Apr 2021
I keep thinking if she had undiagnosed mental health issues. Which might have made her paranoid others were after her


That is a very real possibility and something to consider.
27. She may have been just fine
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:04 PM
Apr 2021

Maybe the knife wielder was going to just intimidate and threaten. Restrain herself in the last moment in time. We will never know.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,438 posts)
33. That's really stretching there,
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:24 PM
Apr 2021

she was in the physical act of attempting to stab the girl in pink in the throat, she was literally a split second away from plunging that knife into her throat, which more than likely would have resulted in her death and then the cop would be condemned for not taking action sooner.

36. You are stretching things
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:28 PM
Apr 2021


she was in the physical act of attempting to stab the girl in pink in the throat

She appeared to be in the physical act of attempting to stab the girl in pink in the throat.

stopdiggin

(11,368 posts)
60. which is what all of us
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 04:19 PM
Apr 2021

(but especially the cop) have to base our judgement(s) on? C'mon, man! Let's wait and see if she really stabs somebody in the throat? That realistic?

61. nah
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 04:25 PM
Apr 2021

quote -->Let's wait and see if she really stabs somebody in the throat?

I disagree with that. Even though it is possible, this was not a situation where you should wait and see.

The same reasoning is behind whether you should just fire 1 bullet and wait and see if it had the intended effect.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
49. So the police officer should just hope that non-lethal force wasn't required,
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 03:21 PM
Apr 2021

and take the chance on what the knife wielder, who had already lunged at and knocked another girl to the ground, was intending to do with the girl in pink?

56. Wrong conclusion
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 04:07 PM
Apr 2021

quote -->So the police officer should just hope that non-lethal force wasn't required

I do not agree with that. I think the police officer acted correctly.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
95. No we won't. But you know what we do know?
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:52 PM
Apr 2021

The young African American lady in pink did not get a 6-8 knife ram-Jammed into her chest cavity or throat because the cop took action. And that is what any open minded person viewing the video of this situation would rationally expect to happen sans the cop rolling up.

I guess he could have waited. And then had the stab gone thru shot her. At which point there would be 2 dead young African Americans.

96. I'm on your side
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 11:05 PM
Apr 2021

I am glad the policeman didn't wait.

As for what an open minded rational person who viewed the video would expect without the cop rolling up?

Can we add that they knew the 911 call had been for attempted stabbings?

I have more than a few seconds to think about this. And since there were many people standing calmly around, it is likely that no actual active stabber who had killed people was there. Likely meaning that the bark had been worse than the bite up until then.

I have seen many examples of someone showing their rage and
having threatening posture and then not making the final coup de grace.

It reminds me of what I've seen on tv where they stop the action and say what do you think happens next.

So, I'm with you on the actions being necessitated. But, I think a rational person might think it closer to 50 50 of what happens next.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
101. She ignored the cop and lunged at a smaller girl with a knife.
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 11:52 PM
Apr 2021

What was the cop supposed to do? Cross his fingers and keep yelling?

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
32. Someone suggested throwing his baton
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:18 PM
Apr 2021

You know like Daredevil or TJ Hooker. I don't think they teach that at the academy.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
45. Right cuz there's no such thing as racist ass cops your sarcasm is shitty at best
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:52 PM
Apr 2021

The intimated ignorance of cops treating black people who are a threat different than white people as a threat is even more shitty

Fuck this bullshit

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
48. here is a convenient example of a white cop shooting a white teen suspect for you
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 03:15 PM
Apr 2021

The suspect was even armed with a knife while white and still got himself killed by a white cop. Such privilege!

[link:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/mother-of-teen-killed-by-trooper-mourns-awesome-young-man-mother-senator-soviet-union-baltimore-orioles-new-york-b1831557.html|

Both cases seem like justified and necessary uses of lethal force to me. YMMV.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
50. The cop treated the life of the Black girl in pink as worth protecting,
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 03:24 PM
Apr 2021

at the expense of the knife wielding Black girl.

This doesn't seem racist to me. I think he would have done the same thing with two white girls.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
82. It IS the argument. Since the cop would have done the same thing in an argument
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:46 PM
Apr 2021

between two white girls, I don't think the shooting was racist.

And the wide-angle view from the neighbor's security camera shows what a chaotic situation that cop immediately found himself in. I agree with the neighbor who thought he didn't really have a choice.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
87. "I don't think the shooting was racist." ... still not the argument Maddow made in her ...
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:18 PM
Apr 2021

... segment !!!

Maddow basically made the point that black people in justified killings are killed disproportionally than whites by the police EVEN WHEN THERE'S JUSTIFICATION IN KILLING THE WHITE PERSON.

Maddow made the point in last nights segment that white people are NOT killed like or at the same rate as black people even when justified so ... no, ... justified (like Makia's killing) doesn't always mean right or moral or even necessary.

Now, there are some LPC's wanting to play either dumb to shit kick or people who don't know what the hell they're talking about when it comes to neutralizing Makia and means to do so without killing her.

There was means to neutralize Makia without killing her ... but ...like Maddow said in regards to killing black people disproportionately the cop pumped four slugs in her instead, justifiably.

People have gone to the point of stretching to absurd to claim there was ... not ... a means to neutralize the girl.

That's just one example, there are a slew of others including a myriad of statisitcs that strengthen mine and Maddow's argument that ...

Justified killings, especially when it comes to black people, do not mean moral or necessary or even the right thing to do especially when means are FOUND not to even hold under bail for premeditated attacks on police.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
94. WTF does Maddow's comment have to do with this case?
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 10:40 PM
Apr 2021

I’m a thinking, hopefully rational fact based guy. I don’t need a talking head to tell me what to think. In fact I am skeptical of them all. They are there for ratings.

I’ve seen the tape of this case. And the cop saved a young African American’s life. The one without a knife and not doing the attacking.

Do I agree with Maddow’s point? Of course. Black people, especially men are daily shot when white men in their exact same situation would not be. Often the white man would never be stopped. As I southern white man I’ve personally seen see enough disparity in the way cops treat white folks and black folks to leave no doubt. I would today have an arrest records if I were a black man. Or be shot. I’m somewhat outspoken.

But that has nothing to do with this case. In this case it is apparent that the cop stopped a young African American lady from having a 6-8 inch blade plunged into her body. It like some people don’t cate about her. Should the cop allowed the stabbing to occur? Because that is what this situation is about.

I could type for an hour about how this country continues to allow folks to wallow in the poverty they did not cause. Especially people of color. Which is the ultimate cause of all this. But this thread is not about that subject.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
97. I haven't said a word about Maddow. The OP wasn't about Maddow. So why are
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 11:44 PM
Apr 2021

you trying to argue with me about Maddow?

I don't believe there WAS means to neutralize Bryant under the particular circumstances that occurred without killing her. She was running around, lunging at first one girl and then at another, pinning the girl in pink to a car and lunging at her with the knife. All this just happened in a few seconds. The cop looked up from trying to help the first girl (who had fallen to the ground), saw Bryant lunging at the second, and fired his gun before she could stab her.

I don't know how anyone could view this event from the security camera's point of view and decide the police officer did something wrong.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
89. Is anyone looking at Joy Reid's segment right now 7:20pm ?! JUST MY POINT !! I'm not the only
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:29 PM
Apr 2021

... one making this very point, black leaders are making this very point.

that

... black people are killed disproportionately, justified or not, when whites people who pose a threat (like Rittenhouse) are FOUND a way (disproportionately) to let go with their mothers

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
98. All of that is true but NOT RELEVANT to this particular case. In this particular case
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 11:47 PM
Apr 2021

there wasn't a clear better alternative (a taser isn't fast or accurate enough at that distance), the danger to a life was imminent, and he did prevent the stabbing of another Black girl.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,438 posts)
83. Has it occurred to you as to why there are no widespread demonstrations
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:53 PM
Apr 2021

against this shooting? Especially in the neighborhood?
Could it be because there is a recognition that this was a life and death situation and this is nothing like the George Floyd murder or the Kyle Rittenhouse murders?


How come there are no civil rights leaders calling for this cop's head? Could it be because they recognize it's nothing like the 2 murders I alluded to?

There is no doubt in my mind that given the same exact circumstance involving 2 white girls, the outcome would be the same, but your mind is so closed that you just won't admit that you could be wrong

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,438 posts)
86. Thank you for acknowledging that this
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:06 PM
Apr 2021

APPEARS AT THIS POINT, to be a justified shooting.
Notice I said appears, now if something comes out that there is some question of legality of the shooting, I'll be the first to condemn the cop.

Have a great afternoon.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,438 posts)
91. Like hell nobody here as said this wasn't a justified shooting,
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 09:33 PM
Apr 2021

there are several on DU who have stated that this wasn't justified.

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
99. Then make an OP about whatever Maddow said. This is a thread about the Bryant case
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 11:49 PM
Apr 2021

in particular and what the home surveillance camera showed.

Many of us didn't watch Rachel or Joy tonight.

stopdiggin

(11,368 posts)
63. sorry, but you (and some other posters) deserve some push-back
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 04:31 PM
Apr 2021

for insisting -- even when facts don't fit -- 'racist cop incident.'

Yeah -- plenty of examples of racist cops and racist enforcement. And DU is pretty much all in on that. But, then -- you just can't seem to back off on this incident. What gives?

stopdiggin

(11,368 posts)
109. I sit on my hands (more than a few times)
Fri Apr 23, 2021, 03:30 AM
Apr 2021

attempting to not step on legitimate sentiment and feelings -- even when I myself don't always share the same ....

But I think the 'all cops' -- 'all incidents' narrative is a dangerous (and distorted one) -- and perhaps it is time to start pushing back against it. Whether the sentiment arises from a legitimate place of hurt and anger or not (and I'm more than happy to endorse that) -- I think the simplistic narrative is wrong -- and capable of bringing further harm.

And, to be perfectly clear, I am not necessarily accusing this particular post, or poster, of trafficking that misguided theme. But there can be little disagreement that there is a whole lot of it floating around on the site at the moment -- and that is what I'm attempting to address. (in my own small way)

sarisataka

(18,773 posts)
26. Observations:
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:04 PM
Apr 2021

- the cop did not come out gun in hand

-the was no fight where she was using the knife in self defense

-the physical conflict started where she pushed the other girl down and slashed at her

-the cop did reach out to try and grab the knife wielder

-he was inhibited from chasing by the man who was kicking the girl on the ground

-at the sound of the first shot, the knife was mere inches from the head/neck of the girl in pink

-given the wind up and thrust it is surprising she wasn't stabbed based on the momentum of the thrust

I sure there are many other details I missed

30. misjudged
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:11 PM
Apr 2021
"surprising she wasn't stabbed based on the momentum of the thrust"

What would not be surprising is if you are misjudging the momentum.

It is possible that the muscles were stopping the momentum and you do not see that. Thereby making it "surprising" to you. Also, it could be that the video is grainy, or at an angle or is at a speed that makes your analysis come to the conclusion that it is "surprising"

sarisataka

(18,773 posts)
42. It is possible
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:47 PM
Apr 2021

As there are millions of possibilities in any situation.

However at that moment, from the POV of the cop, there were two possibilities. One is that he waits and the girl in pink may have a knife handle deep in her throat. The other is to shoot, hopefully averting the knife in throat, knowing that it may be fatal to the girl with the knife.

Sympthsical

(9,113 posts)
54. Thank you for a plain recitation of observable facts
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 03:34 PM
Apr 2021

That's what we should be basing our decisions on. Facts. Not would've should've could've, "Well, maybe . . ." scenarios.

Cops are actually humans. And if I were in that position, with a gun and knew how to use it (I have no idea), I'd fire to protect a victim from a life threatening attack. At least I hope I would.

I don't think this case is even arguable. It's ridiculous at this point. Devolving into parody.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
46. They are all justified killings when it comes to black people The bigger issue is necessary killings
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 02:54 PM
Apr 2021

Sympthsical

(9,113 posts)
55. So society didn't just put Chauvin away
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 03:38 PM
Apr 2021

And society didn't just charge Kim Potter with manslaughter.

They are "all" justified killings.

There comes a point where failure to recognize any progress becomes a radical and detrimental attitude to hold.

America is primed to agree with you, with us, on many of the abuses of police against black lives. But you're determined to take the route that is both 1. false, and 2. alienates people from your cause.

You keep saying these untrue statements.

And yes, since I'm scanning and browsing, I'm going to call out every single one. Because I think it damages BLM. It's too important for lies and hyperbole.

Sympthsical

(9,113 posts)
79. Only in The Narrative
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:41 PM
Apr 2021

You hold the Narrative very dear. I do not.

And I'll note, you've ignored arguing many, many points I've put to you.

So what is your aim? And answer honestly. You may not have noticed, but I don't care about Bad Words that make people cower.

I ask for facts.

Sympthsical

(9,113 posts)
51. Awkward to the Narrative
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 03:26 PM
Apr 2021

I'd personally like to hear more about how we should've summoned a social worker in that quarter of a second, and why the Star Trek phasers set to stun weren't employed immediately to manage it.

Or maybe people are just making very dumb arguments. But that can't be true. Let's return to the teleporter/phaser hypothetical that apparently seems real popular.

Sympthsical

(9,113 posts)
64. Sorry, I can't be with you on this
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 04:31 PM
Apr 2021

I’m trying to stay grounded in the realistic alternatives over here.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,196 posts)
66. I want to hear what the Girl in Pink herself has to say about all this.
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 05:20 PM
Apr 2021

Eventually. I imagine right now, she's pretty traumatized by the events.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
72. Good god! Not me! Why drag another child thru this shit show.
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:17 PM
Apr 2021

I hope she can remain anonymous and go one to lead a good life. Because she was seconds away from having her young life potentially ended.

She been through enough.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,196 posts)
84. The colder, clinical side of me wants to understand what triggered all this.
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:58 PM
Apr 2021

But I understand your point completely. May she somehow move through this and go on to do great things.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
111. How about the adults who around this
Fri Apr 23, 2021, 06:30 AM
Apr 2021

Especially the one who kicked the other girl/woman who was attacked instead of trying to stop his companion who was trying to stab the other girl/woman.

Willto

(292 posts)
68. Proper Action
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 05:39 PM
Apr 2021

It's disturbing to see any life ended under any circumstances. But that policeman acted properly in that situation. No matter what may have transpired prior to his arrival at the time the cop pulled up the girl in pink was unarmed and not trying to attack anyone. It therefore cannot be justifiably claimed that the girl with the knife was acting in self defense when she went after her with the knife. If you try to stab someone to death in front of a cop you will most likely be shot regardless of your race. And quite frankly the people at DU who in some of the other threads have tried to compare this to some of the instances where a policeman needlessly and improperly used deadly force are doing a disservice to the victims in those other cases. It seems some here just have a blanket hatred of all police. I have even seen it suggested that we disband all police forces. Really? Reform sure but do away with them all together? That's not just absurd it's scary to know people that out of touch with reality are driving on the same highways with me.

mia

(8,362 posts)
71. Well said.
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 06:43 PM
Apr 2021

The officer acted with the best of intentions. He saved the life of a woman under attack.

FakeNoose

(32,756 posts)
78. Yes this is not a Derek Chauvin situation, for sure
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 07:40 PM
Apr 2021

Some cops have good intentions, they act on instinct and training, and that's why they're cops.

Sometimes it has nothing to do with race or anger issues, or something else. Sometimes the cop is the only guy with a gun, and the only one who can stop something bad from happening.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
90. If I were to roll up and see my wife about to be stabbed. And I happened to have a firearm
Thu Apr 22, 2021, 08:46 PM
Apr 2021

It would not matter if they were black or white, male or female, 16 or 56, I would shoot them and apologize to no one.

While I own guns I certainly do not carry one around. So if I were in that situation I would find myself fighting someone with a 6-8 inch knife who had already stabbed and potentially killed my wife.

The cop saved that young lady in pink.

flying rabbit

(4,639 posts)
103. I think the cop saved a life.
Fri Apr 23, 2021, 12:20 AM
Apr 2021

All this hand wringing about a gentler approach ignores reality. In a perfect world this situation would have never happened at all.

garybeck

(9,942 posts)
110. Would still like to know, why FOUR shots?
Fri Apr 23, 2021, 03:41 AM
Apr 2021

I would think that the protocol is if someone is trying to stab another person, and you are trying to prevent that, you could shoot them once in the leg and that would pretty much put them down.

Not to mention probably could have overtaken her with a club, his own hands, or a taser.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on using the gun, but why 4 shots?

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
112. Because when you shoot an armed person,
Fri Apr 23, 2021, 07:19 AM
Apr 2021

you don't stop shooting that person while they are still armed.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
115. Regarding shooting someione in the leg: Police are trained to shoot for center of mass.
Fri Apr 23, 2021, 09:59 AM
Apr 2021

This isn't a 50's Western. It's hard enough to shoot someone accurately in an extremely stressful situation, and the chance of successfully hitting a limb is considerably less than if one aims for the torso. What's more, a shot in the leg can easily kill someone if it hits an artery.

As for the four shots, one shoots until the threat is neutralized. A scenario in which one: "Bang! (pause, assess the situation for a couple of seconds), Bang! (pause and repeat)." isn't realistic.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
113. The officer has 2 problems to solve at the same time.
Fri Apr 23, 2021, 07:29 AM
Apr 2021

There is a person with a knife attacking someone and another person kicking someone in the head. By shooting the person with the knife he could have been placing himself in danger by not stopping the person right in front of him.

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