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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWould you actually live in a city or town that defunded or abolished the police.
Congressional Democrats want to make it easier to identify and prosecute police misconduct; Joe Biden wants to give police departments $300 million. But efforts to solve police violence through liberal reforms like these have failed for nearly a century.
Enough. We cant reform the police. The only way to diminish police violence is to reduce contact between the public and the police.
Ive been advocating the abolition of the police for years. Regardless of your view on police power whether you want to get rid of the police or simply to make them less violent heres an immediate demand we can all make: Cut the number of police in half and cut their budget in half. Fewer police officers equals fewer opportunities for them to brutalize and kill people. The idea is gaining traction in Minneapolis, Dallas, Los Angeles and other cities.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html
I get the feeling that many people who want to abolish the police would not actually be willing to live in the areas where this would take place. It seems like an easy thing to espouse when living in your low crime diverse suburb.
Less an obvious choice if you already live in a place scarred by criminal elements.
blm
(113,100 posts)Denver successfully sent mental health professionals, not police, to hundreds of calls
Another U.S. city is reporting early success with a program that replaces traditional law enforcement responders with health care workers for some emergency calls.
Previously, Denver 911 operators only directed calls to police or fire department first responders. But the Support Team Assistance Response (STAR) pilot program created a third track for directing emergency calls to a two-person team: a medic and a clinician, staffed in a van from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. on weekdays.
The STAR program, which launched in June, reported promising results in its six-month progress report. The program aims to provide a "person-centric mobile crisis response" to community members who are experiencing problems related to mental health, depression, poverty, homelessness, or substance abuse issues.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)significantly less aggressive and confrontational.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)a lot of the social issues. They do not have speed traps nor much incentive pulling people over to hit a number for revenue. Not a huge presence here unlike other states I have lived. Doesn't mean no police.
StarfishSaver
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sarisataka
(18,779 posts)But I take them at their word-
This one I saw today about 50 yards from Mpls 3rd precinct building and can be seen from where my daughter works
Hekate
(90,829 posts)...your slogan that much, youve already lost.
It was a stupid slogan.
If the intent is to rethink or restructure or reinvent or move a big chunk of money to social programs, just say so. I will get behind that, and so will many others.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Any idea to improve things automatically loses because the opposition willfully misstates the idea. Bummer.
stopdiggin
(11,372 posts)it was an argument that really had trouble finding it's legs (and real coherency). Bummer.
Hawker123
(74 posts)When the use the exact words and you have to explain what you actually mean. A stupid slogan. Reform policing is so much better but too late now, we already lost good representatives due to it.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)XanaDUer2
(10,754 posts)worked in a violent workplace and was relieved to see the cops more than once. Would also call 911 if I heard someone breaking into my place.
stopdiggin
(11,372 posts)Abolishment is obviously an absolute non-starter. And defunding depends a lot on the proposals to have 'other resources' filling gaps (or else, it too becomes a non-starter). The problem is, what people actually want -- is both. They want 'other resources' (mental health, community programs, outreach, etc.) -- and adequate levels of policing. And 'adequate' levels of policing, generally means at least what we have now. There's just not a lot of support, or votes, out there for 'less police' in my town (or state). And that is kind of the 'nub' of the situation.
And, no, I do not want to live in an area that has either no LE -- or substantially less law enforcement.
wryter2000
(46,082 posts)I don't think anyone wants to do away with police. But if you mean, set up alternate services to take care of mental health/addiction issues, hell yes. If they'd had that for Laquan MacDonald, he'd probably still be with us. You could also set up other kinds of interventions for non-violent crimes. Why does an armed person have to give you a ticket for a tail light? The George Floyd incident could have been handled in a non-military manner. Just send a team out to say, "Did you know that bill was counterfeit?" Same thing with the guy who fell asleep in his car at fast-food.
This would have to be re-thunk, if that's a word. But that sort of reform I'd be in favor of.
Hawker123
(74 posts)Cha
(297,722 posts)Responsible.. and Weed them the fuck out. Zero Tolerance.
Don't Broadbush the LOSING "defund the police".. There's a LOT of Good the Police do..
And, don't be saying "defund the police" around Boone, NC where 2 Deputies were ambushed and killed for answering a "Welfare Call". :
We Need to Keep the House and Senate or we can't Do ANYTHING!
brush
(53,876 posts)can do like traffic enforcement, non-violent domestic issues, welfare checks and the like. Limiting police contact with the public unless absolutely necessary is generally a good idea. Police have their place as there are bad actors out there who are also violent.
quickesst
(6,283 posts).... as in reallocating resources but retaining a police presence, then yeah, probably. Abolishing the police as in no police presence at all? Not on your life. In that case you would have two choices. Either become what the left has been fighting, as in the bastardization of the Second Amendment, or become prey. Both would be dangerous . The Purge belongs in theaters and on TV, not in my neighborhood.
SWBTATTReg
(22,171 posts)Would you live in a community that required the use of the Police so much, whereas most cases of violence does stem from community citizens being violent?
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)but if they want to do it, I have no problem with it. There's a lot of ways to keep a neighborhood safe that does not involve white men killing black people. To say that what we have is better than nothing is disingenuous.
ShazamIam
(2,575 posts)When in fact there are very few if any elected or otherwise widely known Democratic who are pushing for this.
What is being pushed for is more money for mental health care, addiction recover support (lifetime for some and trained res-ponders to
family disputes and mental health emergencies.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Does it? We can consider things like moving traffic and "wellness checks" and mental health emergencies away from the police to those better able to deal with them without violence.
We can require better recruitment and training. We can restrict the use of weapons and military equipment (remember the TANKS in Kenosha? Huh?).
I'm not sure if anything will work, however, as long as there are more guns than citizens in the country.
In other countries, the police don't have to regard every person on the street as a potential killer, because none of those people are likely to have guns.
Most of us, of course, aren't walking around with guns, but the police seem to train for constant threat.
Mr.Bill
(24,330 posts)Far more education and far more training with nationwide standards. Military service should be a disqualifier.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)LakeArenal
(28,847 posts)Now I live in a country that abolished the military.
And the police are fairly unarmed.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,070 posts)marie999
(3,334 posts)All the children played together. A nice neighborhood without any racism I could see. We had beat cops and never saw anyone having any trouble with them. That was in the late 40s and 50s. Then it changed. We lived in a 2 family house, living on the bottom floor. It was sold and the new owner turned it into a 5 family house. Then we moved to a small town West of Boston. That's where I learned of racism and anti-Semitism.
sarisataka
(18,779 posts)The Purge as a movie rather than try it as a social experiment
Withywindle
(9,988 posts)I've lived in Chicago for 30 years, not wealthy areas either, and I was told from day one, don't bother with the cops unless there's an immediate danger, and don't call them if you're not willing to get somebody killed.
I've filed reports for being pickpocketed and stuff like that because I had to for the paperwork, but in my experience they're never much help.
dsc
(52,166 posts)why do cops enforce expired tags on cars? We don't send the FBI when people don't pay the IRS. They send nasty demand letters and threaten and audit and garnishment. Use cameras, put a lien on the car, and if need be, take the car away and sell it. Nearly all traffic enforcement can be done without cops. Why do we send cops on social welfare checks and calls about mentally ill people out of control in their homes? Send people trained to deal with the mentally ill.