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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAs a loyal Democrat, shouldn't I welcome the self-destruction of the Republican Party?
I don't know if it's a quantifiable turning point when the Republicans go from "Let's all drink the Koolaid" to "Let's deplatform anyone who won't drink the Koolaid when we say so." But that's where they're going. And you may well think, "As a loyal Democrat, shouldn't I welcome the self-destruction of the Republican Party?"
Sure, in the same way that Czechoslovakia should have celebrated at the news when that idiot Hitler took over their potentially hostile neighbor. What's happening in the GOP is a joke, but it's not a harmless one. While the current Arizona recount is a clowncar full of amateurish mishaps, the long-range prospects for the GOP isn't real self-destruction.
How GOP rage at Liz Cheney makes a future stolen election more likely - (WaPo May 5 OpEd by Greg Sagent)
Rep. Liz Cheneys fate appears sealed: Republicans are set to oust the Wyoming Republican as the No. 3 in the House GOP leadership, and will most likely replace her with Rep. Elise Stefanik of New York, whose loyalty to Donald Trump remains unquestioned.
This is being widely depicted as a battle over the past, and over Trump. Most accounts portray it as a sign that in todays GOP, fealty to the former president is a bedrock requirement, denouncing his lies about 2020 has become unacceptable, and telling the truth about the Jan. 6 insurrection is disqualifying.
All that is true, but the forward-looking dimension to this story is getting lost. What also seems unavoidably at stake is that the GOP appears to be plunging headlong into a level of full-blown hostility to democracy that has deeply unsettling future ramifications.
What they're destroying is the "republican" part of the Republican Party. They'll still call themselves the Republican Party, but they'll be as much in favor of republicanism as the Democratic Party of 1856 was in favor of democracy. What is taking its place is a far more disciplined party, a QOP, that won't scruple to cheat to win elections. That's what all the voter suppression laws are all about, of course. That's what all the inevitable recounts will be about in the states that follow Arizona. They won't fight fair. If not stopped they will eventually succeed in legally declaring some of the 2020 Biden states as "stolen."
More importantly, they are setting up to rig the '22 and '24 elections. And there won't be a Brad Raffensperger around to take a principled stand next time. For a couple of months I was thinking that January 6th was the high water mark for Republican fascism, that the voter suppression efforts would be duly wiped clear by federal judges, even ones appointed by The Donald. I'm starting to doubt those roadblocks. I couldn't care two figs for Liz Cheney. But she's the canary and America's the coal mine. When their party purges are over with, they're coming for us next. And then they're coming for you.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Imagine a party suppressing the vote, never accepting election results, imprisoning their opponents, and stealing the election if they are in power. At some point, these fascists will have taken over and there will be no need for elections...it is pretty terrifying.
Bucky
(54,020 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)opportunity presents itself they would likely do exactly what you have described. I don't trust ANY republican one bit. They are a deceitful bunch.
Haggard Celine
(16,846 posts)becomes fascist to the core. The last election was so close that things could easily break their way in the next election. If they do, God help us.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)It's alive and well and destroying people's lives in my state and many others.
Theyve gone malignant.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)Just the fact he got about 85 million votes in the last election is frightening as hell. And, the US has an enormous number of stupid, gullible and propagandized people.
Deuxcents
(16,237 posts)B/c Im watching my country get swallowed up n on very thin ice. My governor is a prime example of whats going on at the state level..Florida is passing bills about issues with no problems. Classic wanna be authoritarian..every day its something
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Maybe they really are that weak.
temporary311
(955 posts)H.W. Bush was the power in the Bush crime family, not Jeb! or Junior.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)(And what you're rightfully speaking of) is that GrASSley said that he has Joe Manchin in his hip pocket, and that Manchin will NOT support H.R.1 (2021 voting rights bill) and if we don't have that to at least help keep the playing field level as far as voting rights is concerned, Dems might be in for a world of hurt & pain come the next Mid-terms.
Yes I hate the GQP, I love seeing Cheney & McCarthy and other GQP'ers fighting like hell, because I know that 99.9% of them they are nothing more than grifters, thieves, secessionists, racists, liars, fascists, DUMB as a bag of rocks etc. McCarthy is going after Cheney, yet Gaetz is a pedophile if that story is true from last week about him sleeping with an under aged girl at the time, and McCarthy has nothing to say about him or that racist, cavewoman-looking Greene and that dumb-ass, racist witch Boebert. But we have our own terrible problem with Joe Manchin, who can sink H.R.1, because if he and that Rainbow Brite looking dipstick from Arizona Sinema vote against the H.R.1, Pres. Biden more than likely won't have a Dem House or Senate to work with which means he won't get ANYTHING done.
Yes, I've heard/read that many Republicans in states like Texas and Florida and even in Georgia are worried that the GQP stopping more Dems from voting, it will hurt their side as in keeping their older and more reliable voters from voting for them. But even if that is the case and the GQP's draconian voting rights legislation blows up in their faces we still have to have H.R.1 passed.