According to posts on DU

[lame54]

Republicans are destroying themselves
And
They are going to take back the house and senate in 2022

[LanternWaste]

1. I s'pose it's not a good idea to perceive DU as a collective.

Other than the party platform, we're a pretty disparate group with opinion ranging from 'cops should not kill the innocent' to the extreme of 'if he'd only done what the cop commanded him to do he'd be alive..."

[USAFRetired_Liberal]

2. Both can be true

Because their dumb racist voters will support them no matter what, plus they are going to gerrymander and suppress the vote so that even if the Democrats win by 6-7 points nationally, the know that they still will win.

[RegularJam]

3. I believe both can hold truths at the same time.

There is no doubt they are going through some things.

The races will also be local and each candidate will get to run their own campaign.

We seem more organized, right now. It’s our job to GOTV.

[FakeNoose]

4. Luckily, it's different people that are saying these things

[marble falls]

5. News is a market place with competing fact and conclusions.

[lame54]

6. But every view has to be all or nothing

[marble falls]

13. Read more views, take a closer look at who 'wrote' the information and try to figure what ...

... master that writer serves. In the end something is either right/wrong or some portion of each. Who do we trust to inform our opinion?

So far what I am seeing around me possibly I can, there's plenty of good news and there's still some dangers to watch for: the 2022 election is so critical. Traditionally Democrats are known for lower turnouts on non-Presidential elections.

But then, Merrick Garland is Attorney General and not William Barr. That's going to make a big difference.

Notice that Barr has stayed quiet?

[Fiendish Thingy]

7. Well, when you give state legislatures the power to overturn the will of the voters,

Anything’s possible, even when your own party is imploding.

[dawg]

8. 2022 is entirely up to us.

I think the Trumpers brought everything they had in 2020 and it still wasn't enough. If we show up in force, we will gain seats in 2022.

Ultimately, it's all about turnout. There's nothing magic about off-year elections.

[Caliman73]

9. As others have said, there can be elements of truth to both scenarios.

No one can predict the future with 100% accuracy. It certainly looks as if the Republican Party is going through an existential crisis with the Trump faction hitting up against those who are anti-Trump. If the Trump faction wins, which I think it will, they will only become more extreme and they will eventually lose people, making them less viable in national races. However, they still have the backing of the wealthiest people in the country, they have an entire media ecosystem at their disposal, and they have the legislatures and executive branches of the majority of the states. They cannot win outright, through popular mandate, but then they have never cared about that. If they can cheat their way in, as long as they have the law on their side, they will hold on to power. There is historical precedent that indicates that the party that wins the White House will typically lose seats during Midterm elections. I don't know if that will hold true but voters are interesting and they can be fickle.

Binary thinking is a right wing feature. We can certainly worry, and we can prognosticate all of the hope and the doom and gloom that appear as extremes of positions, but we live in nuance. We live in the gray zone where ideas that are competitive or contradictory can exist together and we just have to wait and see.

[lame54]

10. If they win they are not destroyed...

If they are destroyed they cannot win
Regardless of the shape they are in if they get across the finish line they'll regroup and haunt us till the next election

The posts I'm referring to are not in the gray zone
Nor were they made by right-wing binary thinkers

We cannot count on them to desyroy themselves because, despite the Cheney/McCarthy row, they, through Trump's tainted census, picked up districts and states are enacting draconian voting laws.

One posts suggest we'll win in a walk
The other suggests we cannot win

Neither is true. We CAN win but we have to FIGHT like hell to do it

[Caliman73]

12. The last sentence would have made a good OP.

Perhaps start with that and maybe the thread will take a more positive tack. People have differing perspectives and the way they see the world is influenced by experience, knowledge, mood fluctuations, etc...

Seems like you point was that we can't assume anything and we have to make things happen ourselves. Maybe that would be too direct for people but it would certainly clarify your intent in the thread.

[lunatica]

11. That's us!!