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Well, my wife and I are making our first trip out with our realtor to look for our next home. The market in the Twin Cities metro area in Minnesota is highly competitive, with most houses receiving multiple offers. Bidding wars are not rare at all.
So, we have an upper limit set, which we will not go over. But, there's a more important way we're taking on this competition:
We're looking for places that have issues that will annoy potential buyers. The first house we will visit today has a distinct 70s vibe to its interior, with wallpaper on some walls and accent wallpaper decorations at the top of some walls. It also has a master bathroom that is painted a shocking coral pink color! It is also a house where smokers lived.
Other than that, it has exactly the layout we're looking for and is priced below the average for such places.
Well, my wife and I smoke, so that's not an issue. The bathroom can be repainted before we move in. In fact, we could have the entire interior repainted before moving in without exceeding our set limit. Or we might leave the bathroom as it is to shock guests. We have strange senses of humor.
Here's the thing: Most people who look at houses get distracted if they encounter something odd or weird about that house. They just move on. We don't care about the interior finishes, as long as we can stay within our budget. All that can be fixed. We are specifically looking for houses like that, in fact. We won't sell our current home until after we have moved into the new one. So, there's no rush.
We're looking at the house's layout and overall condition as our first priority, along with a price that will let us do whatever it is that we want to have done, while staying under our limit. That means that we might not be competing with other buyers, who will look elsewhere for a house that is more to their liking as it is.
We also can pay cash for our new house. The first house we are looking at is completely empty, which means that either the former owner has already moved or it is being sold by an estate. Bottom line is that either situation will make the seller eager to close early and get paid. We can offer that advantage to the seller.
We're just getting started, though. We'll make an offer when we find the right place at the right price. No rush.
Diamond_Dog
(32,045 posts)Been there, done that. (wallpaper removal ... I did it myself) Nothing dates an interior more.
Good luck with your house hunting!
MineralMan
(146,325 posts)after she had moved into an assisted living facility, we emptied the entire house. Then, we replaced all of the floor coverings and painted the entire interior. Well, we didn't do it. We hired people to do it. The entire job cost about $20,000. The house sold the first day it was on the market. It looked brand new inside.
That's what buyers hope to find when they look at houses. We're different. We're looking for a place that prospective buyers will see and say, "Ugh!" and move on. So, we'll pay to have the interior done after we buy. It doesn't matter to us, really. We have a price point in mind, so it doesn't really matter, as long as we stay under that and the house's layout suits us. We'll be our own "flippers."
niyad
(113,527 posts)EYESORE 9001
(25,965 posts)Some we were willing to take on, but others were automatically considered deal-breakers, black mold in the basement, for example. We were able to extract an allowance from the sellers to defray the cost of removal for a couple of troublesome trees that threatened our property and that of our neighbors.
If there are perfect houses to be found, be prepared to pay a premium for that perfection.
MineralMan
(146,325 posts)At least not ones that people have already lived in. It's all a matter of what is needed. I won't accept any serious problems, but cosmetic problems are of no concern to me, really, if the price is right.
Lars39
(26,110 posts)we got the fixer-upper by offering to pay closing costs.
Here in middle TN, even houses like one you describe seems to sell within 3-7 days.
Structural problems are still a deterrent.
We've opted to do major renovations to the house we own instead of trying to find one we want.
Hopefully lumber prices will stabilize.
Affordable housing is so very hard to find here.
KPN
(15,649 posts)prices have gone through the roof the last 2 years with many homes appreciating by 100%. Rents are also ridiculous. I dont know how it can be sustainable. Somethings gotta give.
Lars39
(26,110 posts)so there's also the possibility of someone moving from the west coast and plunking down a huge amount of cash on a house. We just can't compete with that. It's going to get even uglier when that bubble bursts.
KPN
(15,649 posts)That may be true over the long haul, but just like the stock market, there are crashes in between and along the way. Some will most certainly experience misfortune.
Lars39
(26,110 posts)I was noticing the ups and downs via Zillow, wondering how much they've been manipulating the market, too.
Shrek
(3,983 posts)Market is crazy right now.
We got 5 offers on the first day and accepted one for $10K over asking price. Buyers didn't ask for a thing other than radon remediation, which didn't cost much. The home was 30 years old so they might have been justified in asking for repairs on a couple of things, but they didn't want to risk it when multiple offers were on the table.
Lars39
(26,110 posts)the radon remediation cost?
Took them a couple of hours and it was very effective.
Lars39
(26,110 posts)Thanks, Shrek!
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)higher than what I bought and they are selling fast. I watch the market and there are little to literally no homes on market between 200-300k. Mine would be an easy sell. I watch the market all over the place. I love watching home sales where I can see I want to move. But all my places have to be very blue, and those are the most expensive places.
Not a very blue area, but the market is really hot here.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)shy and scarce increasing that demand.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Changes like fresh paint and wallpaper removal at a minimum. Where I live, people tend to do fairly extensive renovations shortly after purchasing. I dont know anyone who would let nasty paint color or weird wallpaper from stopping then from making an offer. The best deals to be had are when there are structural issues. We got a great deal on our house because our our house was off its foundation. The floor in our master bedroom was actually visually slanted. Like in an amusement park fun house. My husband had the foundation raised and pumped up (wrong term I know). Twenty years later, were all good. We should have sold this year but my husband wants to stay a bit longer.Im so ready to move on! Im dreaming about Santa Fe...
Beastly Boy
(9,403 posts)In an overheated seller's market, it is likely that prices will go down as time goes on. Chances are you will have to get less for the house you own if you sell it after you move into your new house. have you considered staying put for a couple of years until the market evens out? That might protect you from having to buy high and sell low.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)see fixable problems, mostly cosmetic, as special opportunities to get what you want.
You say house, so don't know if you mean detached or an attached unit. This might not work for you, but just to throw another item on the list for anyone, one of my favorite easy-but-BIG fixes is adding or enlarging windows -- if needed and of course if allowed. Or moving or removing badly placed ones. I've added windows to every house we've owned. They changed the entire character of the room or even the whole floor, not just light and bright, but larger and much nicer.
Unless it's masonry construction, it's typically very affordable and a huge bang for the buck. And no more trouble to those whose part is writing checks than a new tile backsplash.
Many homes selling at the low end of the market are taking their biggest hit from window problems, not the old tile counters people are frowning at. Sunshine is so charming that it makes people say I love this, but we'll have to fix whatever's smelling so bad before we move in. Cheap and/or poorly designed homes often have too small, too few, and/or badly placed windows. They're gloomy and seem smaller than they are. They feel confining without view to the outdoors (checked by sitting down!) or only of upper stories of neighboring buildings. People don't like these houses but seldom wonder if the yuck is fixable, just leave sure they don't want that one.
Looking forward to a nice post about what you've decided on for your new home.
RegularJam
(914 posts)A house can smell like smoke, have no updates, be in a bad school district, and there will still be a bidding war. Houses are going on the market at shocking prices and on day one there will be multiple cash offers over asking.
Hekate
(90,773 posts)Weve only bought 2 houses in our life, but visited a ton each time. In our case well, neither of us is into DIY, and my husband cant tolerate disruption. Like you, our old home had been paid off for years.
Its interesting about smoking residue. Im not sure if it can ever be completely gotten rid of, but since neither of us is a smoker, we noticed it in houses we looked at. You are lucky in that way.
When we got our current-and-final house, our Realtor (my BIL, who with his wife fearlessly does everything in his own home) told us the house was not up-to-the-minute and that any prospective buyer would gut it and paint all the panelling white. My SIL thought ripping out the kitchen wall to make the LR into a Great Room would be ideal.
I took one look at it and knew it was exactly what I had always wanted. The panelling had been custom-made and was mellow with 30 years of sunlight. Ripping it out or painting it over was the last thing on my mind. The kitchen was thoughtfully designed, but not a trophy kitchen, and within a week of living with it I knew there was going to be no gutting taking place.
We know our own limitations, in any case. Hubbys brother and wife endlessly work on and improve their home, especially the garden, and chose a real fixer a decade ago: a house that had been a rental its entire existence and still had the original Formica counters and pink tile in the bathrooms. All original, a faded time-capsule. Now that needed gutting, and they did. Likewise the overgrown backyard, from which they removed a couple of dozen trash trees. The yard is huge, one of those pieces you sometimes get on a cul-de-sac, where you can see the developers had land left over. It has all been utterly transformed. You would like their vibe.
Good luck house-hunting, MM!
Behind the Aegis
(53,975 posts)We started in December. Constantly masked, we looked at a number of properties. Many are now wickedly over-priced! I know what I want, and like you and your spouse, we are looking for form, function, and layout. We can overlook minor things or even a few cosmetic things. There was a house we were interested in and saw it within 1 hour of its posting, by the time our agent called us back...a whopping 20 minutes...the house was already sold! That wasn't even the craziest! Our agent, whom is very good, called us about seeing a property that was two streets over, right size and layout, and hadn't hit the market yet, did we want to see it? YES!!! We were scheduled to see it at 3pm (she called us at noon). WOO-HOO! But wait....! By 2PM, she called back and the house that hadn't gone on the market, the one we were supposed to see within the hour was already sold!
It is very frustrating. We just did a home inspection on our home because we want to get ahead of the issues. Thankfully, everything was very minor and some things we could actually fix. We have a showing today at 3 for house that is our current home's size, but 100K more, it is a newer home though, so there is that, but still, at $111 for Sq.Ft. in small town Oklahoma (we bought our home in 2011 at $65 Sq.Ft.) is NUTS!
Good luck to y'all!
SWBTATTReg
(22,156 posts)Tower Grove Park in STLMO was the hottest area around to own a home.
We sold our house as is, to the first person that saw it. We didn't have to do a damn thing (we were tired of it, the house was in good shape, six bedrooms, too big). And we made it very clear to all that the house was AS IS. No problems either. We were just tired of the home (this is when a house can be 'too big' for a person, and this one was, four floors, six bedrooms, YIKES, we were just too tired finally)...
We wanted to continue living in the same neighborhood, and we pretty well ended up in another house 1.25 miles away, not too bad, and we have the same shopping, same Post Office, same main streets, same zip code, same everything just about, except the house was smaller (4 bedrooms which was what we wanted) and the street was a little narrower (harder to drive w/ two lanes of traffic, which is okay too, we don't use, we park via the alley to our garage and vice versa), and drive the intersecting cross streets, which are wider in width.
And we got a fixer upper too, and thus far, put in over $100K so far. Which is okay since we got the house for a pretty good deal (a foreclosed property), and it pretty well needed everything (it wasn't trashed major time, but all was very dated just like you mentioned, in going for 'dated' properties). Everybody for the most part that we've hired have been wonderful (in fixing up the property), and the neighbors have been wonderful too.
Thus, we all ended up being happy...we, the bank with the foreclosed property that we ended up buying (we paid all cash), and the buyers of our original property in the Tower Grove area.
The buyers of our house in the Tower Grove area even wrote us a very nice hand-written letter to express their desire to live in the neighborhood (Tower Grove) etc. and I was very touched and with a person like that, that wrote such a nice letter etc., that I didn't mind selling the property to her (we lived in TG for almost 40 years). They obviously have been very happy there, as we sometimes drive by, and see their ongoing efforts on that home.
This is the kind of house sale/house buying that I enjoy...person to person, one on one.
I wish you the best, it does sound like from your tale that you're well prepared for your home buying journey. Enjoy the process, I think that this journey involves a lot of people, not just you.
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LizBeth
(9,952 posts)dining area. That was the most atrocious but kitchen and downstairs bathroom pretty bad too. I was able to get it down 20k because they could not sell it. I finally had someone come in and do the downstairs for 10k and will be able to have an easy sell if I do put on market, and well get money back. So I hear you on not worrying about what can be changed.
Enjoy the hunt.
I watch your market and have for the last two years. Prices came down 5'ish months ago and homes didn't sell as fast. It had been real competitive but the last month I have watched prices go back up. There was a small window. Still. better prices than in the NW,
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)But Im thinking of doing the same. Conflicted about it.
MineralMan
(146,325 posts)I am 75 years old and no longer want to do snow removal and yard maintenance. Besides, my wife would like to be closer to her friends and cousins.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)I have a nice house in a nice area, but I really would like to move elsewhere...just looking to understand others who make this big move. Money is not an issue, just the damn hassle and Ive put so much sweat into my garden and yard!
DemocraticPatriot
(4,383 posts)So when I got done moving into this house, I told my sister "I'm going to die here, haha"
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