No more Cheney adulation

[angrychair]

For crying out loud she is knee deep in far right republican extremism.
She is the daughter of one of the most violent and dangerous political extremist in US history.

She literally threw her own sister to the wolves for personal political gain.

She is NOT a hero.

She is NOT a good person.

Screw her. I could care less what happens to her.

[PortTack]

1. I think it's more about the symbolism of what a true Conservative party is..not her.

If “less” crazy republicans go forward with a new party..then it’s really good for us..splitting their party. But also neutering the deposed idiot king. He is still very much a threat to our democracy and the constitution

[Hoyt]

2. Don't have problem giving credit when due, recognizing in total she sux.

[TomSlick]

3. Agreed.

She is not only forfeiting her leadership position, she almost certainly will lose to a Trumpster opponent in the next GQP primary.

The fact that I always disagree with her politics does not mean that I should not recognize political courage when I see it.

[TraceNC]

10. Yep. Kind of bizarre that any Democrat

wouldn’t be happy to see her pick this fight within her own party. She’s making them squirm and I love watching it happen. I abhor her politics but I would be happy to see any Republican causing this kind of intraparty strife. More, please.

[BannonsLiver]

35. Some folks need the world to be in black and white 24-7

When it’s not it frightens and/or confuses them.

[JohnSJ]

14. I agree. Should we trash her that she despises trump, and most in her party's bowing down to trump?

I think not. It would be quite counterproductive and foolish to do that

That has nothing to do with where she stands on the issues, which we disagree on, but the very real danger of trump, and his racist followers.

[OAITW r.2.0]

4. It's about the moment now, not the past.

Seems to be the political reality over the past 40 years. But, listening to Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell today, I know who sounds truthful. And Chuck was my "never Democrat" for liberal/progressive issues back 10 years ago.. Today, he seems to get it. When it comes to politics, I think you can't let yourself be set in political concrete. You need to move as the time dictates.

[angrychair]

20. Its not years in the past

She was a reliable trump vote in the House.
She has never apologized or tried to mend bridges with her sister.
She consistently operated exactly as her dad always did.

She isn't honorable. She is just playing the odds that trump's brand of politics is not going to play well in 2022 or 2024. Even in Wyoming.

Its political calculus. Nothing more.

[OAITW r.2.0]

21. I am an original member of the Dick Cheney hate club.

Truly an amoral hypocritical financial opportunist of the Highest Order. He deserves his own trial, IMHO. Then again, we never held Bush/Cheney accountable for their "out of post" on 9/11 or starting a war with a country that nothing to do with 9/11. And. what Iraqi's and Afghani's had a role in 9/11?

The country that had 21/23 known hi-jackers was Saudi Arabia. Upon learning this, we get all the kings, queens, princesses, and bin Ladens out of our country,,,,while we could not fly. Then we exit US bases in SA and took on their #1 secular enemy on their border. Made SA more profitable. Fucking great.

But, a lot of people (Bush) have made money investing in Aramco futures.

[cilla4progress]

5. I think it's OK to recognize a historic speech,

without buying into her policy positions.

[Skittles]

9. I'll give her points for being right about this

but she still makes me sick

[cilla4progress]

11. Totally.

The whole cabal.

[Deuxcents]

17. 🤞 that's all I've been trying to say

[Carlitos Brigante]

6. My only thought on this is after they're done cannibalizing her. They better

turn on each other and quick..... preferably before 11/22.

[BradAllison]

7. I couldn't care less about her n/m

[Skittles]

8. THANK YOU

*noting incorrect use of the word LITERALLY

[obnoxiousdrunk]

12. I'm sorry.

Won't do it again.

[Probatim]

13. This is a not so gentle reminder that despite her current troubles - she's an awful person.

[cayugafalls]

15. Even Hannibal Lector was right when he said Liver and Fava beans went well with a good Chianti.

So she is right on this issue, she is still a cannibal.

[quickesst]

16. I think too many people....

.... are.mistaking admiration for one act of courage for overall adulation of this woman's brand of politics. Given who she is going up against, I don't think I'll do anything to discourage her. She can be dealt with once the greater peril to this nation is nothing but a bad memory.

[zaj]

18. Allies... We need them more than we need purity.

[angrychair]

19. No

Any person that would do what she did to her own sister cannot be trusted.

We dont need people like her as an "ally".

[orleans]

22. from twitter...

Link to tweet

She is one of the few Republicans that has morals and believes in the truth!!

get her off that pedestal sandy. her daddy lied us into a fucking war, has stock in his beloved halliburton who got $39billion in fed. contracts for war in iraq and popularized water boarding. lizzy hasn't said shit. they are all criminals. she has zero morals.

[zaj]

27. FDR and Churchill worked with Stalin to win WWII

Some people seem to have no sense of history.

Like Hitler, Stalin ordered the murder of millions of people and like Trump his willfull or ignorant neglegence killed millions more through preventable or intentional famine.

When the stakes are high enough, we will work with any ally we can find.

We can tolerate working with Liz Cheney. She's far better than Stalin.

[angrychair]

29. How did that work out for us?

It ended up in decades of more and more political strife and economic turmoil for millions. and a nuclear race that could have lead to destruction of the entire planet.

That alliance was a mistake. Stalin was as much a danger, if not more, than Hitler.

[zaj]

31. Thats just insane... You really don't understand history at all?

It allowed us to win WWII.
It allowed us to defeat literal Nazis.
It allowed us to save democracy in all of western europe
It allowed us to prevent a Nazi-led Iron Curtain.
It allowed us to keep Hitler and the Nazis from developing nuclear weapons

Ya know, no big woop.

[angrychair]

43. We could have kept both weak

so we could have pushed Russia out of Europe.

All we ended up doing is trading one murderous mad man for another.

Except we are still dealing with murderous madmen from Russia 75 years later.

[Elessar Zappa]

39. Wow.

That’s a totally ignorant statement. Without USSR, Nazism would have likely prevailed.

[Caliman73]

34. She is not an ally. She was still spouting bullshit about "socialism"

There are no socialists in government. There is no chance that The United States will adapt socialism in the next 200 years. YET, in her speech denouncing the current crazy fascism within the Republican party (which is actually the natural ending point for conservatism), she had to take a swipe at a moderately progressive Democratic party and label it "socialism".

Not an ally.

I for one, welcome the Republican infighting. I hope they tear each other apart. There is no need for conservatism in this country.

[zaj]

36. Again, Stalin was an ally in fighting Hitler

And a mass murdering enemy in every other way.

Alliances can be amoral transactions to secure power needed at a given time.

We might have opposed the Bush/Cheney neocons over attacking Iraq and the value of exporting by force on the middle east, but at least we agreed on the underlying value of democracy.

Trumpism is about a new American monarchy.

https://techcrunch.com/2013/11/22/geeks-for-monarchy/

[Caliman73]

37. CONSERVATISM is about a new American monarchy.

Trump is just a vehicle.

What we should do is help conservatism to destroy itself. Not just Trump, but Cheney too. You need to understand that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Barr, et al were the architects and promoters of the idea of the Unitary Executive, which is what Trump tried to become. Barr pushed for that alongside Trump until he realized that Trump was too much of an idiot for it to be effective.

We do not need to ally with Cheney. We need to send a parallel message that THIS is what happens when the party that favors a hierarchy and power in the hands of the wealthy with little to no accountability, is left unchecked by people who think the government should be by consent of the governed.

The Republican/Conservative party is having an internal struggle to see HOW best to achieve a stratified country where the wealthy rule and the rest of us serve their needs. There is a third option. Vote Democratic Party so that the average person will have a bigger say in how government operates.

[zaj]

41. Conservatism is about resistance to rapid change

Republicanism is about a convertrated power in the hands of a "creator" class. But it's still a whole class of people and not an authoritarian monarchy at all. Trumpism and QAnon are coverging into a religious cult much like North Korea.

We can't win this battle without the power brokers like Liz Cheney, even if we fight them for decades after this is over.

[Caliman73]

42. Conservatism is about a lot of things but mainly about hierarchy.

Here is a pretty well researched video on the topic.

[BradAllison]

44. LOL....this is a "purity issue" too?

Gimme break. Let them have their civil war and let them burn.

[zaj]

46. I'm not saying anyone needs to celebrate her.

But in this case, purity is refusing to even recongize the value of having our political opponents side with us.

We all need to understand the calculus of a winning strategy.

[Shellback Squid]

23. whatever, your choice, not mine

[Layzeebeaver]

24. Once rats start feeding off each other it's best to not start favouring one rat over another rat.

She is a rat from a family of rats - and she hangs out with rats.

Just because she has decided to stand up and suggest rats need to stop eating each other does not change the fact that she is a rat.

One (or even many) speech(es) does not change a rat into another animal.

I just re-read this and now I can't stop laughing about it.

RATS! Beatrix Potter should rise from the grave right now and write a book about it.

[roamer65]

30. Yup just leave the room and close the door.

[pecosbob]

25. Honestly, the cray crays like Greene worry me less than the evil Machievellians like Cheney

Most of the cray cray party are thieves simply pandering to their cray cray base...televangelism brought to politics to separate the rubes from their dollars. The Cheneys and their ilk are the ones that frighten me...profit above all, the end always justifies the means, masters of the universe straight-up evil. Take Eric Trump and add twenty or thirty IQ points and you have Mitt Romney, a predatory vulture that would peck out your Granny's eyeballs for a quarter profit.

[RandiFan1290]

26. Just like W

Give it a few years and it will be trump

[treestar]

28. But at least she is not in on the delusion

and acknowledges reality.

[BannonsLiver]

32. Yes, for the sake of those who struggle with nuance, it must stop.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

33. If she is a true conservative, we as a country are still screwed

great moment liz, but you still ain't seeing the forest through the tree's . The party of Reagan is not gonna suddenly turn into the party of Lincoln.

[Caliman73]

38. 100% correct IMHO.

The party of Reagan was NEVER the Party of Lincoln and will never be the party of Linclon. The Party of Cheney and McConnell, et al is much closer to the party of Jefferson Davis than the party of Lincoln.

[Elessar Zappa]

40. I'll give her credit where credit is due.

That’s not “adulation”.

[bluestarone]

45. I feel using her is NOT treating her like a hero

We need to use ANYTHING we can to defeat QRUMP, and his cronies! (i'm talking about using her words, and words of others that follow her, in our 2022 and 2024 election ads)

[Treefrog]

47. Are you trying to tell people what they can post?

Seriously?

[angrychair]

49. Absolutely not

Doesn't mean I don't have an opinion of people tripping all over themselves to venerate a xenophobic, bigoted racist gun nut that is likely only doing this to play the middle for a presidential run in 2024...because neither her nor her dad ever did or said anything that didn't serve their own interests for more and more power.

[TheFarseer]

48. She thinks we should have elected leaders

And not a dictator that can rig elections and retain the presidency through violence. Wow! That’s the lowest possible bar. I think that bar is actually underground.