Joe Biden could make a daring political move...

[kentuck]

..by asking Liz Cheney to take a position in his Cabinet to show that the two Parties can and must work together at this time. He could offer an Assistant Secretary of State and Domestic Adviser positions to her. (It is doubtful that she would accept it)

But it would serve at least two purposes. It would show that President Biden is sincere when he says he wants to work with Republicans. Also, it may remove Liz Cheney from competition in the 2024 presidential race? (The old saying about a camel in the tent as opposed to the one outside the tent)

I think this would be a daring and very politically beneficial move for Joe and the Democrats. It would also be good for our country.

[NJCher]

1. how would it appear to trumpists?

at first I thought this might be a good idea when I read it. But after thinking about it a little, it would more likely serve to polarize.

Remember that with republicans we are dealing with simple, child-like minds. Black and white. They would interpret Cheney serving on Biden's team as "she's gone over to the other side," not that their party has departed from anything near the norm, or basic American principles. That is the position they are in and we must not give them any excuse to think otherwise.

[kentuck]

2. I anticipated this comment.

Who would it "polarize"?

Those that put America's interests and the interest of our democracy first? Or those that are already polarized from the democratic norms?

I do not think she would accept it because I think she has plans on running for President in 2024.

Still, by making the offer, Joe would win in a couple of ways. It would divide the "enemy" and it would unite patriotic Americans. It would be a win-win, politically speaking, in my opinion.

Politics ain't beanbags. Most of the time it is not simple black and white. There is psychology involved.

[NJCher]

16. who would it polarize

I think of people like my union president, who unbelievably, for a college professor, has made a few positive comments about trump. They are more or less on the level of him being a victim of "liberal media" and leftwing bias.

Sadly the other four people on the executive board seem sympathetic to his views.

Now, take this with an analysis in The Atlantic that "a closer look at the people suspected of taking part in the Capitol riot suggests a different and potentially far more dangerous problem: a new kind of violent mass movement in which more “normal” Trump supporters—middle-class and, in many cases, middle-aged people without obvious ties to the far right—joined with extremists in an attempt to overturn a presidential election."

also see:

What’s clear is that the Capitol riot revealed a new force in American politics—not merely a mix of right-wing organizations, but a broader mass political movement that has violence at its core and draws strength even from places where Trump supporters are in the minority.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/the-capitol-rioters-arent-like-other-extremists/617895/

[JHB]

3. And who would such a move play to, exactly?

All but a small sliver of Republicans would simply take it as proof Liz is a RINO and cast her out. How many Republican fence-sitters on this would come down against her for cooperating with The Enemy?

And what about on our side? What would Liz do for us that wouldn't sabotage the agenda Biden has put forth? Unless she can sway enough Republican congresspeople to break the McConnell/McCarthy obstruction bloc, what would she actually get us?

[kentuck]

5. A "small sliver" may be all that you need...?

To win the next election.

[StarfishSaver]

9. Here we go again

with the "let's fall all over ourselves with 'big daring moves' because THAT MIGHT get us a 'small sliver' of confused white Republicans to FINALLY vote for a Democrat" delusion.

I sincerely doubt there are any Republican voters left who will switch from their party to vote Democratic because Liz Cheney is in the cabinet.

And do you know anything about Liz Cheney? Why in the hell would you want her running a cabinet department?

You know what will get us considerably more than a "small sliver" of voters and is a sure thing? Fighting to protect the rights of marginalized voters who don't have to be convinced every election cycle to vote for Democrats (who might vote with us and might not, and even if they do, have to be wooed again the next time around with even bigger concessions if we want to keep them in the fold) but will vote for us every time if only they're helped to overcome the suppression that makes it so hard for them to vote and to have their votes counted.

We really need to stop chasing around after these reluctant voters with "daring" moves that MIGHT get us a "sliver" of voters and in the meantime both gives away half the store, and diverts efforts from the voters we need to be going after.

So tired of acting, as one of my elders used to say, "like those folks shit don't stink."

[kentuck]

19. So easy to do.

Just say it and there it is.

[JHB]

13. Not if it causes lefties to spall off thanks to yet another fruitless quest...

...for the Holy Grail of Bipartisanship.

Encourage Liz & pals to form their own faction and make a real break with the cult.

We can invite them to the cook-out, but they have to come in our direction. We can't bring it to them. We've done that before, and it's only encouraged the crazies.

[kentuck]

20. The bet would be that she would not accept a position in the Biden Cabinet.

She will be the leader of another faction of Republicans. It may be larger than we now think?

In my opinion, she has plans on running for President in 2024.

It's all in the equation.

[JHB]

27. I've heard "It's all in the equation" before.

[kentuck]

6. She would reserve the right to speak out on any policies she disagreed with.

The Democratic Party does not want to stifle anybody's speech - including Liz Cheney.

The Democratic Party is not afraid of free speech. If she were in the Cabinet, (highly unlikely she would ever accept), but I think it would be beneficial to Democrats if Joe made the offer.

Just my opinion.

(Also, it would show America that there are some things that are beyond "Democrat or Republican&quot

[SKKY]

4. That would be some 3D Chess shit right there...

...but as you mentioned, it's unlikely she would accept.

[EYESORE 9001]

7. A cabinet position? Really?

Doing the people’s business comes first, and it calls for nominating competent people to the post. Putting a fucking neocon in a cabinet position is anathema to Democratic principles. No. Just fucking no.

[kentuck]

8. Thanks!

For your opinion.



(We are all on the same boat)

[EYESORE 9001]

17. I honestly wonder if that is true

When I see someone who espouses Democratic principles even suggest that a fucking regressive - a neocon to boot - be nominated for a cabinet position in Joe Biden’s administration, it makes me shake my head. Are there no qualified Democrats who could fill this cabinet position? Are political games more important than ensuring that the best person heads that department? After getting gobsmacked with a suggestion like that, I can’t assume we’re anywhere near being on the same page.

[kentuck]

21. United we stand....

Divided we fall.

[StarfishSaver]

10. THANK you!

[FSogol]

11. No thanks. When your opponent is fighting themselves, stand back and watch.

[mucifer]

12. I don't want her in the cabinet because of her political beliefs But, we need to do more than

"stand back and watch" when the republican party is controlling most of the state governments and is trying to stop democrats from voting.

[FSogol]

14. Sure, letting Cheney fight her own party is eaxactly the same as doing nothing about other issues

that weren't even mentioned in the context of this thread.

[Elessar Zappa]

15. Interesting idea but

I’d say no. It’s better that she remain in the Republican Party and either contribute to its demise or steer them on a more sane course. She’s too far right to serve in the Biden administration.

[kentuck]

22. The tent may be big...?

But it's not that big. NO CONSERVATIVES ALLOWED

[Scrivener7]

18. No. No "olive branches" this time. Not even for the good reasons you state.

She is doing the right thing this time. But she is still a horrible person and should not be given power by us.

If she attracts support from the saner branch of her party, all the better. Hopefully she can be their figurehead and the split will have some momentum.

[kentuck]

23. Either way, it will divide the Republicans.

Is that really the best for our country?

Or is Party more important than country?

[Scrivener7]

25. At this point, party equals basic human decency. So yes, that is the most important thing.

And it really does boil down to that very basic level. One party stands for very basic Democratic ideals and policies that afford basic human dignity to their fellow people. The other party consistently opposes this. Liz Cheney included.

She is doing the right thing at great cost to herself this one time. She is being decent on this one occasion. I support her in this. But that is all.

[kentuck]

26. That is fair.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

24. Christ, no. WTF.

[BGBD]

28. Chaney doesn't have a snowballs chance in

2024. Not benefit to taking her out of the House just so a full fledged Trumper can be handed the spot now instead of having to actually beat her.

[RegularJam]

29. She is one of the most conservative elected politicians.

She is a more staunch conservative than the person they are looking to fill her old position with.

She also wouldn’t accept it.