Should insurrectionist veterans be stripped of their benefits?

[Baltimike]

I strongly think they should and can't believe it hasn't happened already. What about the member of Congress who opened the door for them to come inside? Why hasn't he been expelled already?

Who keeps propping up this treason?

[lagomorph777]

1. That shouldn't even be open for debate. Get convicted on any associated charge; lose your pension.

[jimfields33]

15. I think it should be anyone with a governmental pension.

Teacher, firemen, police, ect. It shouldn’t just be military. Private pensions are a different matter of course.

[MontanaMama]

2. I believe they should lose their benefits.

They took up arms against the United States. I don’t know what the hold up is...get the show on the road.

[Baltimike]

3. Amen Mountain Mama.

I think the hold up is they're expecting us to let it fade into the ethos.

[markie]

4. yes n/t

[Siwsan]

5. Absolutely.

They are traitors.

[Aristus]

6. Hell yes!

The broke their oath to the nation.

One can argue that they are no longer bound by that oath once their time in service is over. But I don't. A traitor is a traitor.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

7. ...

What about the member of Congress who opened the door for them to come inside?

You're thinking of this.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/oregon-republican-lawmaker-criminal-charges-letting-lockdown-protesters-capitol

[marie999]

8. Has anyone been convicted of insurrection or treason?

The VA does take away many benefits while you are incarcerated.

[marble falls]

9. For enlisted ranks? NO. Fuck the officers. The guy who opened the door was a state legislater ...

... from Oregon, and he is in a world of shit.


Oregon Lawmaker Who Opened State Capitol To Far-Right Protesters Faces Charges

May 1, 202112:38 PM ET

Dirk VanderHart

Conrad Wilson

From
Oregon Public Broadcasting

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/01/992713857/oregon-lawmaker-who-opened-state-capitol-to-far-right-protesters-faces-charges

Oregon state Rep. Mike Nearman, the Polk County Republican who allowed far-right demonstrators to breach the state Capitol in December, now faces criminal charges.

According to court records, Nearman has been charged with first-degree official misconduct, a class A misdemeanor, and second degree criminal trespass, a class C misdemeanor.

The decision to charge Nearman follows a monthslong investigation by state police that began Dec. 21. As lawmakers met in a special legislative session to take up COVID-19 relief that day, surveillance footage showed Nearman exiting the locked Capitol building into a throng of protesters who were trying to get inside the statehouse. In doing so, he appeared to purposefully grant entrance to far right groups demanding an end to ongoing restrictions related to COVID-19.

[former9thward]

10. "he is in a world of shit"

Not really. He faces two minor misdemeanors. Probation if convicted.

[marble falls]

13. His life has changed. The security at the statehouse has changed. Let's wait and see ......

... how it shakes. People do go to jail over misdemeanors.

What Are Misdemeanor Charges? | LegalMatch
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Misdemeanor charges are defined as those that involve slight criminal fines and up to twelve months in a jail facility (one year maximum). They are less serious than felony charges, but more serious than a citation. The definition for misdemeanor charges can vary by state and each state has their own classification system.

[Mr.Bill]

21. He should have had felony conspiracy charges.

His actions were obviously timed and planned.

[Baltimike]

23. absolutely, and were he black, he would have been. nt

[former9thward]

27. As an attorney I know of no one who goes to jail over a misdemeanor.

Especially someone without a previous criminal history. I always tell my clients, "Don't worry about what the prosecutors tell you, I will tell you the real world". And the real world wins every time.

I don't know if his life has changed or not. If your life changes over a misdemeanor then in my view you are not living it right. But just how I look at things.

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

11. Yes! Full stop.

[pwb]

12. You think these are the first Veterans arrested?

The V A has had rules for this type of thing for Many Many years.

[roamer65]

14. Absofuckinglutely.

[lpbk2713]

16. Yes. They took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

And there was no expiration date on that oath.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

17. Wish I could rec this a thousand times,

instead here's this:

[Baltimike]

19. Yes!! This!!! nt

[Shrike47]

18. No. They had a contract with the U.S. to serve with a later pension and did their part.

If we want the ability to yank pensions, we have to tell them up front what they can lose their pension rights for. I oppose ex post facto penalties.

[Baltimike]

20. I'm pretty sure they knew they could lose them...conduct unbecoming and all that. nt

[Shrike47]

24. If it was spelled out for them in the beginning, then go for their pensions.

[lagomorph777]

28. It most certainly is spelled out.

Upon enlisting in the United States Armed Forces, each person enlisting in an armed force (whether a soldier, Marine, sailor, airman, or Coast Guardsman) takes an oath of enlistment required by federal statute in 10 U.S.C. § 502. That section provides the text of the oath and sets out who may administer the oath:

§ 502. Enlistment oath: who may administer
(a) Enlistment Oath.— Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath:

I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. (So help me God)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces_oath_of_enlistment

[GemState]

29. The Oath of Enlistment expires

with the term of enlistment. That’s why it’s sworn anew with each reenlistment.

[smirkymonkey]

22. Yes. They are traitors to the nation.

[Paladin]

25. Absolutely. (nt)

[Midnight Writer]

26. No. Let's not open that door.

Discipline should be corrective, not punitive.

Does anyone believe it will de-radicalize someone by the government taking away their lawful income?

They paid for those pensions. Many paid dearly. They own them.

[AllaN01Bear]

30. not only loose their bennies , recalled and re instated , go through courts martial

and be reduced in rank and privleges and goto military jail.