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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRepublicans have been framing the concept of capitalism since, forever.
Republicans have managed to marry the concept of capitalism with trickle down economics. Most of us, when we think of capitalism see it as a negative because we see a system that benefits the bosses, and no one else. But, this only hampers us. The answers we're looking for require that we embrace the whole concept and take back what was co-opted by the Republicans.
Capitalism is more than supply and demand. It's a complicated relationship between business owners, providers of materials, customers and laborers. We like to call it free market, but we have allowed ourselves to forget that wages to laborers are part of that free market model. Republicans have successfully framed the process in such a way, that any tug or move to increase wages for laborers is called socialism. And this is the trap that we need to pull ourselves out of, because wages are just another part of free market.
It's strange that we've been lulled into this perception, especially when Republicans can clearly see how wages are a wonderful incentive, when they're the ones benefiting from the higher wages and opportunities. I am specifically thinking of GWBII's Iraq debacle. There was so much support for that war among Republicans, even though the facts suggested it was foolhardy. But it appealed to many Republicans because it also was the beginning of a privatized war. There was money to be made. There were mercenaries brought in, private companies that supplied contaminated water to our soldiers. But there was one particular Libertarian who I will forever remember, who learned a valuable lesson about capitalism. He thought he was making the big bucks at $100,000 for a one year contract. I don't know what he thought he was going to do when he got there, but he later said that he didn't read the fine print, which said that he had to do whatever the job required. And the job required that he clean out the soldier's septic tanks. He described how it would leave him covered in shit, and there was no way to break the contract to get back home.
As comical as it is, it shows what I'm trying to point out: Wages are an incentive to attract workers, and it is a part of the big wheel we call capitalism. It is not socialist at all.
It's Covid that provided us with the best example. During the pandemic, we saw something we rarely see. Workers had to make a decision between working and risking their lives, and their family's lives. Many decided that whatever they were making in their jobs, was not worth the risk. Which is why we have a shortage of workers in the restaurant business, which is notorious for low pay. However, capitalism has an answer. Raise their pay to bring them back.
It's not socialism. It's capitalism.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)That is a nonsensical reply
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)ISrassis
(7 posts)My point being that in no way did the original post refer to religion.
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)Treasonous also gets it. So dont spend your first posts criticizing members.
How was that criticizing? I was simply pointing out that religion was not part of the original post. Maybe instead of being rude he could have explained his comment.
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)But we still manage to get fed.
(Apologies to a few good men)
captain queeg
(10,208 posts)Showing a cycle of increased profits being used for reinvestment in factories and increased wages, a self perpetuating cycle that was good for everyone. The current version of capitalism ignores wage increases and pretty much reinvestment. Its all about grabbing the most immediate profit without doing the things to keep the cycle going.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)JHB
(37,161 posts)This wildly-expansive definition of "socialism" and very narrow definition of "capitalism" used to be a distinguishing feature of ranting cranks. Conservatives normalized this usage in their rise to power, made it a point, even.
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)Republicans want the latter where the "winners" make the rules and we end up with (theoretically) a bunch of small business entrepreneurs that lord over their workers. It will never work in an established economy because mature markets are encouraged to consolidate and take advantage of both economies of scale and reduced competition via monopoly. That is why you see businesses shell out billions to buy out the competition rather than spend money to improve their product or service.
Then Republicans label any sort of government regulation or intervention as "socialism". Hell, the wacky TP's wanted the economy to completely crash in 2008 rather than concede that the government could do something to soften the blow.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)to work.
It doesn't really matter what you label it. None of us work for free.