Man accused of storming the Capitol with a Confederate flag will get to go on a family road trip

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

The man pictured walking through the US Capitol holding a massive Confederate flag during the January 6 insurrection is about to head on a family road trip after a judge approved the vacation earlier this month.

Kevin Seefried is allowed to take his scheduled family trip to Salvo, North Carolina, on May 15, returning to Delaware on May 22, according to court documents.

His son, Hunter Seefried, was also charged in the Capitol siege; he too got approval to travel for the trip.

Prosecutors took no issue with either defendant leaving town for the vacation, court filings show.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-accused-storming-capitol-giant-143555257.html

[Hekate]

1. That's nice

What the hell is wrong with some judges and magistrates in this country?!

[Lochloosa]

2. Prosecutors took no issue with either defendant leaving town

That's why the judge approved it.

[Effete Snob]

6. They don't really live in much of a "town"

They live in a crappy little house surrounded by farmland off of a highway in rural lower Delaware.

[Fullduplexxx]

16. Well he was the right color so of course they had no problem letting an insurrectionist

Go on a family vacation

[Effete Snob]

25. And what do you think is the "right color"?

The "they" in your accusation about the prosecutor being a racist is Assistant US Attorney Brittany LaShaune Reed.

Is she the "right color"?



But you just assume the prosecution is white. Why is that? Do you often just assume that lawyers and government officials in responsible positions are white?

There's a word for that sort of assumption.

[Fullduplexxx]

37. I assume that racially black people dont get the same treatment

[Effete Snob]

39. You said "so of course they had no problem"

The "they" in your sentence is an African American woman.

[Fullduplexxx]

55. Yea I didnt know that

[Effete Snob]

57. I'd like to be optimistic about Merrick Garland's DoJ

...absent a reason to believe otherwise.

[Treefrog]

42. Lol.

Well done.

[lagomorph777]

3. WTF is up with the prosecutors OK-ing this?

[Effete Snob]

5. What do you think will happen if he goes to the Outer Banks?

Do you think it is likely someone will get hurt, or he'll sail away to another country?

[lagomorph777]

27. Yes.

They are known (with video evidence) to be violent. And they have every reason to flee. They don't have any special right to a nice little vacation.

[Effete Snob]

28. It's harder to flee from the Outer Banks than where they are right now

They live in a shitty rural area near Laurel, Delaware. While not much to speak of, it is more densely populated, and closer to actual government facilities than where they are going.

[Effete Snob]

40. I'm happy to have them go farther away from me

Others here are amazingly hostile to an African American woman. Go figure.

[msfiddlestix]

48. I loved the Outer Banks when I was a kid and lived in N.C.

I hate the idea of that asshole polluting my memory of that part of the coast line.

[Effete Snob]

50. 80% of convicted federal criminals receive some form of supervised release

I guarantee you that there are not only defendants awaiting trial, but actual convicts running loose all over North Carolina.

Every insurrection defendant that lives in North Carolina and is awaiting trial can romp from Cape Hatteras to Mount Mitchell, and even ride every attraction at Carowinds if they want.

[msfiddlestix]

54. I don't understand why.

I left North Carolina a little over 50 years ago, came to California and have been here ever since. I did spend a night or two jail in '69 for traces of marijuana in my coat pocket.

Back then you could be facing 20 years, but I'm not sure how often those kinds of sentences happened. But the sheriff would use a quaint law on the books (at the time) called Bedding and Cohabitation as a means to obtain a search warrant to raid a house for drugs.

Primarily why I left North Carolina back then. I was suspected of being an LSD dealer (nope, never happened, it was my boyfriend) flying back and forth to Southern California, taping LSD on my legs and arms under my clothing.

They thought I was dealing on base. but it wasn't me. I guess I was being used as a "decoy" and didn't know it at the time.

Just a naive kid really. But jeeze. I wouldn't have ever suspected that these kinds of releases were common

[Effete Snob]

4. It's the damned Constitution

If we can agree get rid of the Eighth Amendment, then we can do all kinds of things to people who haven't been convicted of anything, and who do not present a flight risk.

[Hekate]

7. There are photos of him committing a crime or crimes on 1/6...

But he’s, you know, melanin-deficient, so that makes him trustworthy.

[Effete Snob]

11. Likelihood of guilt is not a factor

If he was planning a trip to DC, you might have something there.

I don't really understand the "we need to treat everyone unfairly" principle as a response to persons being treated unfairly.

I'm just stupid I suppose, but I thought the idea was to improve the treatment of those who are treated unfairly, instead of being arbitrary with everyone.

[Hekate]

13. I think you deliberately misunderstand my intent, but you just carry on with whatever...

...and have a nice day.

[Effete Snob]

14. Okay, was your intent to suggest that the judges and courts are generally corrupt and biased?

So we should just give up on this "rule of law" thing?

[LanternWaste]

43. No more and no less than yours is to suggest...

that a mere opinion on a message board can upend or even deny this "rule of law" thing.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other... and each equally petulant in their inference as to others maybe be "suggesting."

[Effete Snob]

22. The prosecutor, Assistant US Attorney Brittany LaShaune Reed....

Last edited Fri May 14, 2021, 04:42 PM - Edit history (1)

...is unlikely to have consented on the basis of anything relating to melanin.

[Elessar Zappa]

9. They rebelled against our seat of government.

I think their bail should have been higher than that for murderers. It’s a serious crime in my eyes.

[Effete Snob]

18. Assistant United States Attorney Brittany Reed

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.229853/gov.uscourts.dcd.229853.23.0.pdf

[Treefrog]

52. I'm thinking the prosecutors know what they're doing.

Perhaps contact their office and offer your opinion?

[jimfields33]

26. Blame the prosecutor

Why are you laying it on the judge only?????

[Effete Snob]

29. The racist assumptions in this thread are revealing

The prosecutor who consented is an African American woman. Bear that in mind when you read the comments here which, for some reason, just assume the prosecutor is white.

[jimfields33]

33. Look they were blaming the judge. Why?????????

It was more then the judge who made this decision.

[Effete Snob]

47. A lot of social media seeks to delegitimize the rule of law

In the movie "Music Man" the flim-flam artist comes to town and wants to rile people up, so he asks "what's new in town?" It's a pool table. So the pool table is evil and used to inflame the townspeople.

People who are unfamiliar with a subject can be shown that subject in a light which makes it look bizarre, perverse or scary to them.

The conditions of release were set in this case a long time ago.

One of the conditions was that if they leave Delaware - a state that varies from about 10 to 20 miles wide - they have to notify the court and get permission. They did that. It is not granting them some "extra privilege" - the process was set a long time ago.

The presumption in that sort of thing, in view of the Eighth Amendment, is that the permission should be granted unless there is a specific, articulable and definite reason for denying it. The presumption favors the defendant. Most presumptions in criminal law favor the defendant.

So, without any real familiarity with the subject matter, this routine travel request - part of the conditions already established and with which the defendants have been complying without incident or violation - can be made into some "special favor" or "privilege", and used as yet another drum to beat to spread the general concept that the courts, the DoJ, and the US system of government is generally corrupt.

Is the process always fair? No, but the Constitution is itself a process which, over time, has only expanded (in fits and starts) toward greater fairness.

There are agendas which are threatened by that.

[LanternWaste]

44. Less a racist assumption, and more another inaccurate inference on your part.

You see, consistent usage of the logical fallacy "it does not follow..." often illustrates its own narrative, over ad above that which is assumed lacking any evidence (for example, racism)

[JohnSJ]

10. This is why I am not optimistic up any significant accountability for those who instigated it, and

those who took part in it

I haven’t seen anything yet that gives me confidence in the DOJ. From this, to the voting suppression laws being legislated in state legislatures, to the fiasco going on in Arizona

Words are cheap, and if action isn’t taken before the nex election, it will be too late

[Bettie]

12. What the actual fuck?

I suppose, they were just "tourists", right?

FFS?

[joetheman]

15. Where are they going? We should meet them there with a copies of the Constitution and US flags.

Why shouldn't we harass the harassers? Just sayin' They should have no peace in the nation whose government they wanted to overthrow. They are now seeking freedoms they would deny those who didn't storm the Capitol.

[magicarpet]

17. Hey it was a previously scheduled family outing,..

.... reservations made with advanced payments that are nonrefundable.

It is the annual family lynching party. They go down south, find a few darker complected males, git some rope, and locate a big strong tree.

There are constitutional rights to association you know. How can the court even consider the denial of a good ol' boy family lynching party for thrills and fun and family white supremacist bonding.

Besides,... I'll bet he wants to replace that Confederate flag he so unceremoniously lost during the Capitol insurrection. So much easier to find one down south.

[Effete Snob]

24. The prosecutor, who consented to this, is an African American woman

Assistant US Attorney Brittany LaShaune Reed consented to the application.

Your comments, in light of the reality here, are pretty grotesque.

[LanternWaste]

45. As are your consistent fallacies and presumptions.

"Your comments, in light of the reality here, are pretty grotesque...."

(welcome back!)

[bullwinkle428]

19. How long do you think it will be before some of these fuckers are writing books,

and profiting off what they did that day?

For those who plan to reply with, "THAT COULD NEVER HAPPEN!!", please review the situation involving the cop who killed Breonna Taylor and his book deal.

[moniss]

20. Just imagine if

a black guy in jail on pending charges of stealing $100 asked for a week to attend a family funeral. You know the answer our "justice" system would give and you know that the prosecutors in his case would raise all kinds of objections. The judge would likely issue an order denying the request and cite as part of his reasoning that the community would feel "threatened" if he was released. Most likely later that day he would be beaten in his cell by the guards for "disturbing" the system with his "outrageous" request.

[Effete Snob]

23. Just imagine in the prosecutor who consented to the trip was an African American

Actually, you don't have to imagine that, because that is the reality here.

[kcr]

30. You were doing a better job

defending the guy who nearly blew himself up hoarding gasoline.

[Effete Snob]

31. I wasn't "defending" anyone

Is it normal to follow people from thread to thread and bring up irrelevant stuff from the other thread?

We have people here going on about how the prosecutor consented because he's white.

It's pretty revealing that people just assume the prosecutor is a white man, and never really think that maybe there is no point in taking a stand against someone who has not been convicted of a crime and who has complied with the conditions of his release, seeking to travel a relatively short distance out of a small state. It's pretty normal, but, no, there has to be some racial component to it, because of a general assumption the prosecutor must also be white.

This guy is a federal criminal defendant. His life is fucked for a good long time, and I hope he gets to eventually spend another good long time in prison. But until that happens, routine travel requests are routine travel requests, and not some deep racial conspiracy.

This is the person being attacked in this thread:



The order was granted on her consent.

Have at her.

[kcr]

32. No one's following anyone

I had no way of knowing you were in this thread till I came here. I just remembered you from that thread.

I agree, it's wrong to assume a prosecutor is a white man. It still doesn't change the fact that were these defendants Black, they likely wouldn't be getting special treatment. The answer is, of course, to demand fair and equal treatment for everyone. However, as long at that isn't happening, it is utterly fair to point out that only white people are receiving special treatment. Even if it's a Black woman doling out that special treatment. I do believe that she fully deserves having at.

[Effete Snob]

34. "only white people are receiving special treatment"

Can you point me to the rate of routine travel request denials in federal prosecutions for defendants who are already out on bail and compliant?

And, as a subsidiary question, how do you feel about persons out on bail who are confined to (a) Texas, versus (b) Delaware.

At the end of the day, there is utterly no due process reason to deny this request. I know that people love punishment before conviction, but there is a point at which people just make up facts to suit themselves.

If you want to say that requests of this kind are denied in federal prosecutions for similarly-graded offenses on a racially disparate basis, then provide the data.

But what's going on in quite a few comments in this thread is pretty revealing. And ugly.

[kcr]

35. If you are making the claim that these are always granted

Then why don't you supply that proof?

[Effete Snob]

36. The majority of CONVICTED federal offenders are on supervised release

US Sentencing Commission, Overview of Federal Criminal Cases, 2014

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2015/FY14_Overview_Federal_Criminal_Cases.pdf

Most offenders who were sentenced to imprisonment also were sentenced to serve a period of supervised release following the completion of their confinement. In fiscal year 2014, 80.2 percent of offenders sentenced to incarceration also were sentenced to serve a period of supervised release.

More than 80% of CONVICTED federal criminals are out walking around.

Absent special circumstances, nobody is going to be spending money to appeal a denial of a routine travel request for someone who is not convicted in the first place, has been out on their own recognizance, and has complied with all conditions. Nobody is tying up the courts fighting a routine travel request in those circumstances.

[kcr]

41. Not sure what that has to do with allowing people charged with a violent crime

to go on vacation before their court date. But, thanks for that.

[LanternWaste]

46. You seems confused again. Criticism isn't an attack

You do realize the two concepts have wholly separate definitions, yes? If not, this is a good time to look. Good luck and welcome back!

Regardless of the irrelevant petulance of having at anyone.

[Treefrog]

53. "Regardless of the irrelevant petulance of having at anyone."

Can you explain this sentence? The structure is rather baffling.

[CrackityJones75]

59. Systemic issues aren't disproven because "A black person"

You trying to disprove that there are systemic issues in the justice system because a black person was involved is ridiculous and the more you post it the more ridiculous you look.

[Johonny]

49. members of family said to be disappointed with judge's decision.

[rockfordfile]

56. wtf? those people are traitors

[oasis]

58. Knucklehead judge made a knuckleheaded decision on fellow knuckleheads.

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