Why aren't we in the streets too?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

London was ground zero for Iraq War protests in 2003. Once again they are protesting. This time the Israeli attacks. Maybe college campuses are engaged.

BBC News - Thousands protest in London over Israel-Gaza violence

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57127628

[marybourg]

1. Are we going to protest the initiating event, that is Hamas

Firing rockets into Israel? Or are we only going to protest Israel's response, which was to fire back, just as we would do if Mexico fired rockets into the U.S. ? Just asking for a friend.

[Humanist_Activist]

2. Uhm, you have the timeline wrong, first there was the evictions and protests in East Jerusalem...

then there was the raid on the al-Asqa mosque, then the rocket attacks(after a warning, I might add).

[marybourg]

3. So the rocket attacks don't count and can't be

responded to because non military actions preceeded them? My friend says that makes no sense.

[Humanist_Activist]

4. Hamas literally said it would attack with rockets if Israel didn't leave the mosque...

and it had nothing to do with whether they count or not, you cannot claim, with a straight face, that Israel was attacked without provocation.

[marybourg]

7. But I can, and do.

Firing rockets at civilians is not an appropriate nor protected response to “not leaving the mosque”.

[Humanist_Activist]

8. You were the one claiming that the rockets were the initiating event, that is factually wrong...

it has nothing to do with whether they are appropriate or not.

On top of that, what would have been the acceptable response to the forced displacement of Palestinians from East Jerusalem?

[question everything]

16. And Hamas knows that Israel would respond, fiercely

But, apparently hurting the people of Gaza and their livelihood is of no concern.

And the mosques are not in Gaza so why send rockets to the heart of Israel and then complain that their actions generated responses? Israel is not a Christian state, it does not believe in turning the other cheek.

[Iggo]

20. Look what you made me do!!!

[Humanist_Activist]

24. The mosque is the 3rd holiest in all of Islam? I mean, I'm not religious...

but I understand that other people have ideas about sacred spaces, and how visceral they act about their perceived desecration. Not to mention that is just a culmination of protests that have been escalating in East Jerusalem for weeks now over evictions taking place in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood, which are themselves part of the larger issue of widespread Palestinian displacement in favor of Radical Jewish settlers, themselves often from violent sects. Hamas purports to be for all of Palestine, not just Gaza. Whether their tactics are ethical or practical, I would say no.

However, fear of disproportionate retaliation hasn't really stopped insurgent movements in the past.

[Humanist_Activist]

6. Here's a rough timeline of events from Vox...

https://www.vox.com/2021/5/10/22428819/israel-palestine-jerusalem-mosque-violence-biden

[Chainfire]

11. Of course, it is always all the Palestinians fault.

The should be happy that their betters keep pushing them off their lands. Why should Americans complain, it is the same thing we did to our native population.

[KPN]

10. Initiating is a can of worms. On this one, I'm not sure Israel expelling Palestinians

from Jerusalem, the place they and their families have lived their lives and have a long history, in order to replace their homes with housing for Israeli’s isn’t an initiating event. How would I react if my family was expelled from it’s eastern MA home, a place with family roots going back to the 17th century?

[tritsofme]

25. Except the land in question has been owned by Jews since the 1870s.

With the exception of Jordan’s illegal occupation when Jews were expelled from the area.

Upon Jerusalem’s reunification in 1967, land titles in this area granted by Jordan were honored by Israel, as were leases from the period.

Jordan did not grant new titles here, and the property was restored to its original owners, while honoring prior leases.

The only people being evicted now are squatters and those whose lease is now expired or breached.

[Humanist_Activist]

28. Its more complicated than what you lay out...

https://forward.com/opinion/469304/the-fights-over-sheikh-jarrah-reveal-the-folly-of-relitigating-who-owns/

And appears that, at best, the legal battles are still murky.

[guillaumeb]

22. How about apartheid, and land theft,

and attacking civilians, and bombing the media building to prevent coverage?

Coincidentally, and ironically, in this situation, the US stole most of Mexico 200 years ago.

[JI7]

41. Hamas sucks but Israel removing Palestinians from Sheik Jarrah

is what started this

[MineralMan]

5. Which street will you be in, and when?

Let me know. If it's near me, maybe I'll join you.

"We" must always include "I."

[2naSalit]

9. Probably because...

It's a hanging offense to criticize the 51st state of Israel no matter what they do.

[SoonerPride]

12. Sadly this seems to be the case.

[Ferrets are Cool]

13. Unfortunately, that is true.

[question everything]

17. How many hangings have occurred?

[Celerity]

18. +1000

[guillaumeb]

23. One area of bipartisan agreement. eom

[Elessar Zappa]

14. Feel free to march if you desire to do so.

[question everything]

15. "We?" You are welcome to go to a street but please use the term "I"

[SleeplessinSoCal]

36. I used the term "we" purposefully.

Our divide has become as great as it was in 1865. I pine for the day we can feel like a united nation once again. For me Evangelicals have become an obstacle to peace of mind. I deal with that. But how do we become untethered to our beliefs with a SCOTUS so beholding to a radical belief system?

I am so grateful that Biden is POTUS. A man of faith I can truly admire. A man who won't try to subjugate others. But i still fear the future and am relieved to have been born in 1947 with most of my life behind me.

What is Israel 's future though?

On Nov. 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for Palestine to be partitioned between Arabs and Jews, allowing for the formation of the Jewish state of Israel. ... Sympathy for the Jewish cause grew during the genocide of European Jews during the Holocaust.

[Hortensis]

19. For what? To throw gasoline on a fire President Biden/Dems are trying to put out?

There has to be a side that's for democracy and the law. The other one owns violent insurrection.

If you watch the MSM, you'll see that they're currently working very hard to clear up the deep-seated confusion they bear big responsibility for creating about who's who and what's what. Before it's too late.

[tritsofme]

21. I can't see any reason to protest Israel's right to defend against Hamas terrorism.

[Humanist_Activist]

26. Do the Palestinians have a right to self defense against being displaced in their own country...

or no?

[tritsofme]

27. Palestinians suffer from dysfunctional and corrupt leadership more interested in incitement

and perpetuating violence than anything resembling peace.

President Clinton had an offer on the table that would have secured a Palestinian state with a capital in East Jerusalem. They responded with the violence and terror of the Second Intifada, and have rejected multiple offers for statehood along the way. When they are ready for peace, they will have to sue for it.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

29. Netanyahu is a corrupt leader without support of the majority.

How many elections now has he lost confidence, yet remains in control?

Bibi has been teetering for a long time. His one winning move is to provoke war.

Israel’s Turmoil Hands Political Lifeline to Embattled Prime Minister Netanyahu
The opposition’s attempts to put together a rival coalition to unseat Netanyahu appear to be collapsing

https://www.wsj.com/articles/israels-turmoil-hands-political-lifeline-to-embattled-prime-minister-netanyahu-11621092285

His corruption and craven power grabs are a little too reminiscent of our former POTUS.

Amended indictment filed against Netanyahu, detailing 200+ demands for coverage
Prosecutors allege PM was personally involved in 150 demands for more favorable media coverage from Walla news site, in corruption case against him

https://www.timesofisrael.com/amended-indictment-filed-against-netanyahu-detailing-over-200-coverage-demands/

I DONT TRUST NETANYAHU.

May 4, 2021
JERUSALEM — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel failed to form a new government by the midnight Tuesday deadline, putting his political future in jeopardy as he stands trial on corruption charges and prolonging a political deadlock that has only worsened after four elections in two years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/04/world/middleeast/netanyahu-government-israel-election.html

[tritsofme]

30. Meanwhile, Abu Mazen is entering year 16 of his 4 year term.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

32. Bibi has far more control over Palestinians than Abbas has over Israilis.

Getting to the nitty-gritty still won't solve anything. But it's important because authoritarians like Bibi pose as role models to dangerous men on all continents.

Not only the fact that the government and police have lost control of much of the country, especially mixed Arab-Jewish cities such as Lod, Ramleh, Jaffa, Acre and east Jerusalem, where conditions close to civil war are now in evidence. Not only the acute failure of the Benjamin Netanyahu government to restore some semblance of normalcy, to say nothing of articulating a viable policy for the future.

....the crucial point is that the deeper currents of life in Israel-Palestine, and above all the regnant delusions that have driven Israeli thinking for the past many decades, have been exposed as never before. What we will witness over the coming weeks is a desperate attempt to reestablish these self-destructive axioms as political norms, despite the disaster they have, unsurprisingly, brought about.

https://thewire.in/world/israel-palestine-sheikh-jarrah-al-aqsa-jerusalem

Israel is practically us intensified into an undiluted mixture of stubborn opinions based on differing belief systems. A true Catch-22.

[Hekate]

31. A thread that is rapidly devolving into one that belongs in the Israel/Palestine group, but carry on

As for protests in the streets, didn’t we do that in 2020, a whole helluva lot, based on our own suppurating wounds?

And maybe Biden (who neither created nor exacerbated the situation in Israel) needs a little space before he jumps into the shark-infested waters.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

33. I've read Biden is purposefully working back channels.

My question is more of a barometer on activism and concern for the unchecked nuclear powers.

[sarisataka]

34. Who should we protest

The side that attacks civilian areas or the other side?

Or is it just a protest against the violence in general?

[Ron Green]

35. Lebensraum.

[tritsofme]

37. Hamas won't be satisfied until Israel is Judenfrei, heck, it's in their charter.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Let me know when there's a pro peace two state solution march

I'll lead it.

[brooklynite]

39. Tell us about the protests you've organized...

…or is that someone else’s job?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

40. I've been in plenty.

My husband is Jewish and reviles politicians like Netanyahu. I did see that NYC held some protests today. That gives me comfort.