It might be less confusing if we referred to Liz Cheney as a "Republican" and called McCarthy and

[Atticus]

his ilk "neo-Republicans". This would be consistent with how we distinguish the original Fascists from our current crop of "neo-fascists".

[JI7]

1. No

[Atticus]

2. Or not. nt

[Haggard Celine]

3. I would call Liz Cheney a conservative.

Most of the rest of the Republicans can't rightly call themselves conservatives. Conservative means resistant to change, and the Trumpers want change, it's just not progressive change. Mitt Romney is a conservative as well. There are still a few left, but they're the ones who are threatening to go start a new party. The Trumpers have just about destroyed the GOP and they're turning it into something else.

[JHB]

7. Except conservatives like Cheney and Romney have spent...

...their entire careers people encouraging the people now called "Trumpists" to identify as "conservatives".

They may want to disown them, but there's no reason we have to help them with that.

[Haggard Celine]

11. I didn't say that to help anybody, I was just

classifying them the best way I could. I still think of people like Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley as benchmarks for what a conservative should be. The Republican Party today is so far removed from true conservatives that I can't call most of them conservative. Like Atticus said, I could call them neo-fascists, and that's the majority of today's Republican Party

[erpowers]

4. No. Liz Cheney a Republican Kevin McCarthy Not a Republican

No we should refer to Liz Cheney as a Republican and Kevin McCarthy and people like him as not Republicans, or Fake Republicans, or as some of them refer to themselves: Trumplicans. Liz Cheney is an actual Republican. She supports the ideas of the Republican Party. People like Kevin McCarthy try to cater to Donald Trump so that Trump will not insult them.

I have also begun to think Republicans like Kevin McCarthy and Elise Stefanik should be called member of the Party of Fidel. I am slightly opposed to this idea because it would be too hard to explain. The Party of Fidel claim goes back to when a Republican campaign consultant claimed Marco Rubio would have supported Fidel Castro if Castro has been willing to give Rubio power. At first, I rejected that idea. Later, I realized the campaign consultant was right. Marco Rubio would have supported Fidel Castro if Castro had given him power. I now think people like McCarthy and Stefanik would also have supported Fidel Castro if he had been willing to give them power. The point of the Party of Fidel is to point out that Republicans like McCarthy and Stefanik have no principles and would support anyone who was willing to give them power. It is one thing to believe in ideas and support someone due to those ideas. It is another thing to hate someone's ideas, but still support that person because they are willing to give you power.

[Rorey]

6. I agree. It's all about power for them

Principles and ideals don't exist in the minds of those who NOW support trump.

[JI7]

10. But most of the Republican Party supports Trump so that's what the Republican Party is today

[Rorey]

5. I think that makes sense

But I'm actually more inclined to think of those like McCarthy and Green as "trumplicans".

[abqtommy]

8. I personally am not confused but whatever helps people grasp what we're dealing with

is fine with me.

[Autumn]

9. The problem is that Cheney, McCarthy and their ilk are all Republicans.

Cheney had no problem with Trump and other republicans till he lost the election to Biden and she decided to run for president.

[Cosmocat]

12. Just cut to the chase and call them ALL lunatic chrisofascists

which would include Liz Chaney, with the qualifier of "who happens to have one very dim beam of light in her soul."

[Hortensis]

13. Hmmm. The cons organizing to oppose the neofascist traitors need a name.

Wonder what that'll be? Old Guard is used sometimes for the kind who've lost to the Trump Republicans, but some're only starting to become a movement.

Currently the Trump Republicans are the Republican Party, neofascist, white male nationalist traitors who pay obeisance to a wannabe despot they're scheming to turn the nation over to.

The leadership of the Republican Party has been moving toward authoritarian takeover for over two decades now, since at least the mid '90s, and they've instilled their treason and corruption at all levels of the party. The "GOP" had already devolved into an American far-right, Christian, white male dominated party increasingly employing fascistic and anti-democratic means to obtain power, and that's how "the base's choice," Trump, happened. And why there are so few elected Republicans who aren't traitors.

Famous, chillingly fascistic quote from unnamed Bush WH aide to journalist Ron Susskind in 2004:

People like you are still living in what we call the reality-based community. You believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality. That's not the way the world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you are studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors, and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.

[Atticus]

21. Though "Turd Blossom" denies it, that quote is widely attributed to KKKarl Rove. nt

[kentuck]

14. Good idea!

The press should do that.

[FakeNoose]

15. When Chump is gone ...

... I mean really gone, as in dead or in prison, Kevin McCarthy will have no standing with the Repukes who are left. Neither will McConnell, Cruz, Graham, or a half-dozen others. Who do you think will take over and lead their Party then?

I'm betting it will be Liz Cheney, or someone very much like her.

[GoCubsGo]

16. No. Shit is shit, whether you call it that, or "feces," "turds," "dung."...

They're all Republicans, and they're all awful people. They're not worth the effort that it takes to distinguish which flavor of awful they are. They deserve each other, and they deserve to be tarred with the same label.

[blm]

17. Rabid Reactionaries.

[spooky3]

18. "Republicans" and "Fascists" work for me. Nt

[eppur_se_muova]

19. If they support The Former Guy, they're ROYALISTS. nt

[wellst0nev0ter]

20. They are both slimey goops

Cheney just happens to be a broken clock, nothing more.