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Do DUers think Bibi would have started this crap (Original Post) malaise May 2021 OP
I think the same thing would have happened regardless who was President, and there is JohnSJ May 2021 #1
That's the thing people seem to forget, this was theoratically preventable... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #2
There are no good faith actors here malaise May 2021 #3
' . . . no good faith actors here ' - your polite understatement m empedocles May 2021 #8
According to foreign policy dotcom Pantagruel May 2021 #4
Link Pantagruel May 2021 #5
Thanks malaise May 2021 #10
+1 2naSalit May 2021 #13
I've seen articles that say he's a direct part of this. Will look for a link PortTack May 2021 #6
Now I see you. 😎 LakeArenal May 2021 #11
Run little yellow dog run! PortTack May 2021 #25
Given Hamas and Likud there are three possible long-term outcomes Klaralven May 2021 #7
Seems that way empedocles May 2021 #9
For my next trick I juggle landmines. I think Bibi wagged the dog - he's sure to get another ... marble falls May 2021 #12
Yes. This isn't about who's in charge here. GoCubsGo May 2021 #14
He should reach the Hague for this one malaise May 2021 #15
Absolutely. GoCubsGo May 2021 #24
Bibi rules the same as Trump and repubs, on fear. Bev54 May 2021 #16
True dat. multigraincracker May 2021 #17
Thinking you can solve the I/P conflict without the Palestinians DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #18
+1 rogue emissary May 2021 #19
You have roughly 6,000,000 Palestinians living in limbo, and a very unpleasant limbo at that. DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #20
What I fear is the world agencies have given up on trying to help. rogue emissary May 2021 #21
The more you think about it the harder the problem is to solve. DemocratSinceBirth May 2021 #22
THIS malaise May 2021 #23

JohnSJ

(92,217 posts)
1. I think the same thing would have happened regardless who was President, and there is
Sun May 16, 2021, 10:21 AM
May 2021

nothing to suggest otherwise


 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
2. That's the thing people seem to forget, this was theoratically preventable...
Sun May 16, 2021, 10:24 AM
May 2021

Israeli security decided to raid the al-Asqa Mosque, Hamas warned them to leave, they refused, then Hamas fired rockets. This is assuming Hamas is a good faith actor at all, and that is questionable, but how would we know what the result would have been if Bibi was remotely reasonable?

malaise

(269,053 posts)
3. There are no good faith actors here
Sun May 16, 2021, 10:30 AM
May 2021

but there was no need to anger people at the height of Ramadan.
In my world all religion is evil

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
4. According to foreign policy dotcom
Sun May 16, 2021, 10:44 AM
May 2021

the provocateurs appear to be the Israelis:

"Jerusalem Violence Continues

Israeli security forces forced their way into Jerusalem’s al-Aqsa mosque compound in the early hours of Monday morning, firing rubber-coated bullets and stun grenades at hundreds of Palestinians who fought with police through the night.

The crackdown comes as Israeli nationalists prepare to conduct an annual march through Jerusalem’s Old City to commemorate its capture by Israeli forces in 1967.

Fuel on the fire? Israel’s security services have urged police to alter the planned march route to minimize the possibility of confrontations between marchers and Muslim residents of the Old City.

According to the Times of Israel, “the Israel Defense Forces, Shin Bet security service and Israel’s military liaison to the Palestinians all say they believe that the current route, which would have thousands of Jewish Israelis pass through the flashpoint Damascus Gate and Muslim Quarter, would likely result in violence.” Israeli Defense Minister Benny Gantz has reportedly accepted this assessment and supported changing the route.

Eviction decision looms. Tensions between Jerusalem’s Israeli and Palestinian communities have been particularly high in recent weeks, with almost nightly clashes reported between Palestinians and Israeli far-right groups or police. Violence reached a peak on Friday when Israeli police and al-Aqsa’s worshippers clashed. Like on Monday, police again fired rubber-coated bullets and stun grenades at Palestinians, who threw stones. Hundreds of Palestinians have been injured in recent days, along with dozens of Israeli police.

The situation has worsened in advance of an expected Supreme Court decision on whether to permit the forced eviction of dozens of Palestinians from their homes in the predominantly Palestinian neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah in East Jerusalem. The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights has said evictions would violate Israel’s obligations as an occupying power under international law.

The court has decided to postpone its decision for a month after families facing eviction asked Israel’s attorney general to intervene in the case.

International criticism. Monday’s confrontation came hours after U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan spoke with his Israeli counterpart, Meir Ben-Shabbat. Sullivan expressed “serious concerns” about the situation in Jerusalem and about the potential evictions in Sheikh Jarrah as well as encouraging the Israeli government to “pursue appropriate measures to ensure calm during Jerusalem Day commemorations.”

Sullivan’s words follow international condemnation, including from Arab countries, some of which have recently normalized ties with Israel. The United Arab Emirates “strongly condemned” both Friday’s violence and evictions while Jordan has called Israeli actions in al-Aqsa as “barbaric.”

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan called Israel a “terror state” for “mercilessly and unethically attacking Muslims in Jerusalem.”

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu—who may be on borrowed time following his failure to form a government last week—has largely ignored international criticism, saying violence has been stirred up by extremists. Netanyahu appeared to shrug off pressure to halt the Sheikh Jarrah evictions: “Jerusalem is our capital, and we will continue to build there,” he said."

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
7. Given Hamas and Likud there are three possible long-term outcomes
Sun May 16, 2021, 10:57 AM
May 2021

Apartheid, ethnic cleansing, or genocide.

Anything else is just temporary.

marble falls

(57,102 posts)
12. For my next trick I juggle landmines. I think Bibi wagged the dog - he's sure to get another ...
Sun May 16, 2021, 11:24 AM
May 2021

... chance to form a government out of this whether it was his intention or not. I wish my unintended consequences rolled my way like that.

I've gotten extremely cynical since 2016. If not since the 80s.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
14. Yes. This isn't about who's in charge here.
Sun May 16, 2021, 11:29 AM
May 2021

It's about Netanyahoo distracting his country, and the world, from the fact that he is being brought up on corruption charges. Apparently, he thinks that starting a war will somehow save his ass from prison.

Bev54

(10,053 posts)
16. Bibi rules the same as Trump and repubs, on fear.
Sun May 16, 2021, 11:52 AM
May 2021

He has been doing that for years. He is about to go down, if he cannot get a coalition and IMO he is hoping for a new election and that this new military war will help him get elected with more support. He is a huge part of the problem for the lack of peace in the region. Sure he would have done it with Trump in as well because he would have had his full support.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
18. Thinking you can solve the I/P conflict without the Palestinians
Sun May 16, 2021, 12:31 PM
May 2021

Thinking you can solve the I/P conflict without the Palestinians as Trump and Kushner did was a fatal conceit and a stupid one



https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215436886

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
20. You have roughly 6,000,000 Palestinians living in limbo, and a very unpleasant limbo at that.
Sun May 16, 2021, 12:59 PM
May 2021

No matter who is right, who is wrong, how we got here, the status quo is untenable.

rogue emissary

(3,148 posts)
21. What I fear is the world agencies have given up on trying to help.
Sun May 16, 2021, 01:04 PM
May 2021

The same thing keeps happening. Netanyahu continues to stay in power. One sides does something to cause the other side to react more harsher, repeat.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
22. The more you think about it the harder the problem is to solve.
Sun May 16, 2021, 01:10 PM
May 2021

That doesn't mean they shouldn't try. I look at the conflict in Northern Ireland. They have made a great deal of progress but nobody can tell you the exact status of Northern Ireland. That being said the situation there is much more peaceful and stable than the situation in Israel/Palestine.

Try, try, and try some more.

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