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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo DUers think Bibi would have started this crap
if he had won a majority or if Trump and (his former roommate)Kushner were still running the show?
JohnSJ
(92,217 posts)nothing to suggest otherwise
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Israeli security decided to raid the al-Asqa Mosque, Hamas warned them to leave, they refused, then Hamas fired rockets. This is assuming Hamas is a good faith actor at all, and that is questionable, but how would we know what the result would have been if Bibi was remotely reasonable?
malaise
(269,053 posts)but there was no need to anger people at the height of Ramadan.
In my world all religion is evil
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)the provocateurs appear to be the Israelis:
"Jerusalem Violence Continues
Israeli security forces forced their way into Jerusalems al-Aqsa mosque compound in the early hours of Monday morning, firing rubber-coated bullets and stun grenades at hundreds of Palestinians who fought with police through the night.
The crackdown comes as Israeli nationalists prepare to conduct an annual march through Jerusalems Old City to commemorate its capture by Israeli forces in 1967.
Fuel on the fire? Israels security services have urged police to alter the planned march route to minimize the possibility of confrontations between marchers and Muslim residents of the Old City.
According to the Times of Israel, the Israel Defense Forces, Shin Bet security service and Israels military liaison to the Palestinians all say they believe that the current route, which would have thousands of Jewish Israelis pass through the flashpoint Damascus Gate and Muslim Quarter, would likely result in violence. Israeli Defense Minister Benny Gantz has reportedly accepted this assessment and supported changing the route.
Eviction decision looms. Tensions between Jerusalems Israeli and Palestinian communities have been particularly high in recent weeks, with almost nightly clashes reported between Palestinians and Israeli far-right groups or police. Violence reached a peak on Friday when Israeli police and al-Aqsas worshippers clashed. Like on Monday, police again fired rubber-coated bullets and stun grenades at Palestinians, who threw stones. Hundreds of Palestinians have been injured in recent days, along with dozens of Israeli police.
The situation has worsened in advance of an expected Supreme Court decision on whether to permit the forced eviction of dozens of Palestinians from their homes in the predominantly Palestinian neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah in East Jerusalem. The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights has said evictions would violate Israels obligations as an occupying power under international law.
The court has decided to postpone its decision for a month after families facing eviction asked Israels attorney general to intervene in the case.
International criticism. Mondays confrontation came hours after U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan spoke with his Israeli counterpart, Meir Ben-Shabbat. Sullivan expressed serious concerns about the situation in Jerusalem and about the potential evictions in Sheikh Jarrah as well as encouraging the Israeli government to pursue appropriate measures to ensure calm during Jerusalem Day commemorations.
Sullivans words follow international condemnation, including from Arab countries, some of which have recently normalized ties with Israel. The United Arab Emirates strongly condemned both Fridays violence and evictions while Jordan has called Israeli actions in al-Aqsa as barbaric.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan called Israel a terror state for mercilessly and unethically attacking Muslims in Jerusalem.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahuwho may be on borrowed time following his failure to form a government last weekhas largely ignored international criticism, saying violence has been stirred up by extremists. Netanyahu appeared to shrug off pressure to halt the Sheikh Jarrah evictions: Jerusalem is our capital, and we will continue to build there, he said."
malaise
(269,053 posts)PortTack
(32,774 posts)LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)PortTack
(32,774 posts)Klaralven
(7,510 posts)Apartheid, ethnic cleansing, or genocide.
Anything else is just temporary.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)marble falls
(57,102 posts)... chance to form a government out of this whether it was his intention or not. I wish my unintended consequences rolled my way like that.
I've gotten extremely cynical since 2016. If not since the 80s.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)It's about Netanyahoo distracting his country, and the world, from the fact that he is being brought up on corruption charges. Apparently, he thinks that starting a war will somehow save his ass from prison.
malaise
(269,053 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)However, if he spends the rest of his life in an Israeli prison, that's okay, too.
Bev54
(10,053 posts)He has been doing that for years. He is about to go down, if he cannot get a coalition and IMO he is hoping for a new election and that this new military war will help him get elected with more support. He is a huge part of the problem for the lack of peace in the region. Sure he would have done it with Trump in as well because he would have had his full support.
multigraincracker
(32,688 posts)Twins.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Thinking you can solve the I/P conflict without the Palestinians as Trump and Kushner did was a fatal conceit and a stupid one
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215436886
rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)No matter who is right, who is wrong, how we got here, the status quo is untenable.
rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)The same thing keeps happening. Netanyahu continues to stay in power. One sides does something to cause the other side to react more harsher, repeat.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)That doesn't mean they shouldn't try. I look at the conflict in Northern Ireland. They have made a great deal of progress but nobody can tell you the exact status of Northern Ireland. That being said the situation there is much more peaceful and stable than the situation in Israel/Palestine.
Try, try, and try some more.