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They had a "UFO expert" who it turns out has lied repeatedly about his background.
And they had ZERO input from skeptics. None whatosever.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-military-intelligence-60-minutes-2021-05-16/
THE MEDIA LOVES THIS UFO EXPERT WHO SAYS HE WORKED FOR AN OBSCURE PENTAGON PROGRAM. DID HE?
There is no discernible evidence that Luis Elizondo ever worked for a government UFO program, much less led one.
Keith KloorKeith Kloor
June 1 2019, 6:00 a.m.
ONE OF THE first images in the opening episode of the new History Channel show Unidentified: Inside Americas UFO Investigation is a 2017 headline from the New York Times projected on a flickering screen: Glowing Auras and Black Money: The Pentagons Mysterious UFO Program.
Its the story that launched Luis Elizondo into the public eye, the article that shocked the world, the narrator of Unidentified declares, before continuing, A clandestine U.S. government program had been investigating UFOs. For eight years, the secret program was run by this man, Lue Elizondo. The camera then pans to a visual of the former military intelligence case officer in a darkened house peering out warily through half-drawn window shades.
Its an odd scene. Is Elizondo on the lookout for aliens or a bad guy from his old spook life? Either way, the History Channel show, which premiered on Friday and is being promoted as groundbreaking nonfiction, goes on to follow Elizondo as he re-investigates strange UFO incidents he says he learned of when he was at the Pentagon running the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, known as AATIP. Its as if Agent Mulder had handed off his X-Files to another paranoid government agent, this one with a pug face and billy-goat beard. In the screener I saw for Unidentified, the narrator says that Elizondo quit the Pentagon because he was frustrated by what he says was a cover-up.
Whatever the truth about otherworldly UFOs (cue a collective eye-roll from scientists), there is one crucial detail missing from Unidentified, as well as from all the many stories that have quoted Elizondo since he outed himself nearly two years ago to a wide-eyed news media: There is no discernible evidence that he ever worked for a government UFO program, much less led one.
Yes, AATIP existed, and it did pursue research and investigation into unidentified aerial phenomena, Pentagon spokesperson Christopher Sherwood told me. However, he added: Mr. Elizondo had no responsibilities with regard to the AATIP program while he worked in OUSDI [the Office of Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence], up until the time he resigned effective 10/4/2017.
https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo-unidentified-history-channel-luis-elizondo-pentagon/
hatrack
(59,587 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Archae
(46,328 posts)BUT...
We have to have actual evidence.
Not just the usual blurry photos and videos, and wild claims by the zealots.
It's obvious CBS did sloppy research for this story, including painting a phony as "knowledgable," this reminds me of the time a "60 Minutes" reporter did a story about a guy who claimed to be in the middle of the Benghazi mess.
Turns out he wasn't.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)How are you so sure?
Rhiannon12866
(205,405 posts)It's "unidentified" and appears to be flying, but nobody knows anymore than that. I remember when Jimmy Carter was ridiculed when he said he saw a UFO. He never said it was "aliens," it was merely flying and none of the group he was with could identify what it really was. Coincidentally, I've seen a UFO, too. It was flying at night and may have been an unusually low-flying plane of some sort, but in the dark it was impossible to tell.
Brother Buzz
(36,434 posts)Luis Elizondo's bio at Coast to Coast AM
BIOGRAPHY:
Luis Elizondo is a career intelligence officer whose experience includes working with the U.S. Army, the Department of Defense, the National Counterintelligence Executive, and the Director of National Intelligence. As a former Special Agent In-Charge, Luis conducted and supervised highly sensitive espionage and terrorism investigations around the world. As an intelligence Case Officer, he ran clandestine source operations throughout Latin America and the Middle East.
Most recently, Luis managed the security for certain sensitive portfolios for the US government as the Director for the National Programs Special Management staff. For nearly the last decade, Luis also ran a sensitive aerospace threat identification program focusing on unidentified aerial technologies. Luiss academic background includes microbiology, immunology and parasitology, with research experience in tropical diseases. Luis is also an inventor who holds several patents.
Archae
(46,328 posts)From that web page:
TONIGHT
MAY
16
UFO DATABASE / DEATH OF MARILYN MONROE
Second Half: Author Nick Redfern delves into the death of Marilyn Monroe-- a murder made to look like a suicide or accident? He'll present an amazing story connecting UFOs, aliens, Roswell, Area 51, and the life and death of a beautiful, but scarred icon.
Brother Buzz
(36,434 posts)I just love to mentally punch holes in their wackadoodle theories. And it's easy to do because they are generally not well grounded in solid science.
Archae
(46,328 posts)ruet
(10,039 posts)Any questions about his bonafides?
Archae
(46,328 posts)Making wild claims he can't back up?
Does he lie about his past employment?
"Coast To Coast AM" has long been a platform for right-wing kooks like Jerome Corsi, and Gary North.
And the occasional actual scientist.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)many so-called UFO sightings are of lights in the sky. If some of them are on alien craft, why do they need lights? Surely not for navigational purposes. Also, ETs seem to be secretive - maybe even shy - so why lights?
Archae
(46,328 posts)Used to be people saw fairies in the sky, then they saw "airships," during the days when people like Zeppelin were experimenting with dirigibles.
Then a pilot made a comment about something he saw near Mt Rainier, about "saucers skipping over water," and "flying saucers" hit the popular media.
highplainsdem
(48,981 posts)part of the 2004 sighting from the Nimitz:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/navy-ufo-sighting-60-minutes-2021-05-16/
They seem credible to me.
I thought it was an interesting story.
And I'm looking forward to hearing more about military sightings from that task force report next month.
twin_ghost
(435 posts)highplainsdem
(48,981 posts)having confirmed in 2017 that Luis Elizondo was in charge of the program he said he ran:
https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo-unidentified-history-channel-luis-elizondo-pentagon/
Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White confirmed to Politico that the program existed and was run by Elizondo, Bryan Bender wrote in December 2017. (Earlier this year, White, a Trump administration political appointee, resigned amid an internal probe into charges of misconduct.)
But Pentagon spokesperson Christopher Sherwood told me that he cannot confirm Whites statement.
As it happens, Bender, who is Politicos defense editor, had a recurring role in the first episode of Unidentified. He appeared on camera numerous times as a kind of authoritative character witness for Elizondo, Mellon, and their UFO investigations.
So at best the freelancer who wrote that story for The Intercept has conflicting statements from Pentagon spokespeople.
And btw, the 60 Minutes story wasn't ONLY about Elizondo.
Nor did it state that the UFOs or UAPs are definitely extraterrestrial.
I suggest people watch it to make up their own minds.
I think the linked video I provided in my reply above, to the longer interview with 2 Navy pilots on 60 Minutes Overtime, segues into the full 60 Minutes story.
Archae
(46,328 posts)Not the imaginary "Explain everything away" people, the actual people who do investigations that show evidence that the "UFO's" are not always aliens.
highplainsdem
(48,981 posts)As it was, the story shown on 60 Minutes left out a lot of what two Navy pilots said, sections of the interview that I wish had been shown on 60 Minutes and not just uploaded for 60 Minutes Overtime.
I'm sure that if the skeptics you favor want to respond to the task force report next month, they'll be able to get some attention from the media.
highplainsdem
(48,981 posts)not a psychologist or psychiatrist. His real specialty -- and maybe his main revenue stream -- seems to be opining at great length on YouTube, whether he has any expertise on the subject or not, whether it's UFO reports from the military or the Bill and Melinda Gates divorce or whatever TV show or celebrity he thinks will bring him more clicks and income.
I couldn't imagine 60 Minutes giving him ANY air time to respond.
Btw, his PhD is from Pat Robertson's Regent University, which has no SAT requirements.
His research specialty appears to be treating incarcerated juveniles:
https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Todd-L-Grande-71584318
Archae
(46,328 posts)And resigned due to misconduct charges.
That does say a lot.
highplainsdem
(48,981 posts)Archae
(46,328 posts)highplainsdem
(48,981 posts)confirmed to Politico that Elizondo headed that group.
Again, you have contradictory statements from two Pentagon spokespersons. Both during the Trump administration.
And while Dana White reportedly did ask her staff to do personal favors for her, an abuse of power, she had a long resume and was not just "a Trump goon."
https://www.defense.gov/Our-Story/Biographies/Biography/Article/1170857/dana-w-white/
highplainsdem
(48,981 posts)highplainsdem
(48,981 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)My god you are posting crap from the Intercept?
Archae
(46,328 posts)I know.
Nowhere.
The release of the report will make some vague pronouncements about "anomalies," and disappear onto page 31C of the Times, if even that.
Because those videos showed NOTHING.
Just the usual fuzzy images.