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Archae

(46,328 posts)
Sun May 16, 2021, 08:07 PM May 2021

"60 Minutes" botched it again...

They had a "UFO expert" who it turns out has lied repeatedly about his background.

And they had ZERO input from skeptics. None whatosever.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-military-intelligence-60-minutes-2021-05-16/

THE MEDIA LOVES THIS UFO EXPERT WHO SAYS HE WORKED FOR AN OBSCURE PENTAGON PROGRAM. DID HE?

There is no discernible evidence that Luis Elizondo ever worked for a government UFO program, much less led one.

Keith KloorKeith Kloor

June 1 2019, 6:00 a.m.
ONE OF THE first images in the opening episode of the new History Channel show “Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation” is a 2017 headline from the New York Times projected on a flickering screen: “Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious UFO Program.”

It’s the story that launched Luis Elizondo into the public eye, the article that “shocked the world,” the narrator of “Unidentified” declares, before continuing, “A clandestine U.S. government program had been investigating UFOs. For eight years, the secret program was run by this man, Lue Elizondo.” The camera then pans to a visual of the former military intelligence case officer in a darkened house peering out warily through half-drawn window shades.

It’s an odd scene. Is Elizondo on the lookout for aliens or a bad guy from his old spook life? Either way, the History Channel show, which premiered on Friday and is being promoted as “groundbreaking nonfiction,” goes on to follow Elizondo as he re-investigates strange UFO incidents he says he learned of when he was at the Pentagon running the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, known as AATIP. It’s as if Agent Mulder had handed off his X-Files to another paranoid government agent, this one with a pug face and billy-goat beard. In the screener I saw for “Unidentified,” the narrator says that Elizondo quit the Pentagon because he was “frustrated by what he says was a cover-up.”

Whatever the truth about otherworldly UFOs (cue a collective eye-roll from scientists), there is one crucial detail missing from “Unidentified,” as well as from all the many stories that have quoted Elizondo since he outed himself nearly two years ago to a wide-eyed news media: There is no discernible evidence that he ever worked for a government UFO program, much less led one.

Yes, AATIP existed, and it “did pursue research and investigation into unidentified aerial phenomena,” Pentagon spokesperson Christopher Sherwood told me. However, he added: “Mr. Elizondo had no responsibilities with regard to the AATIP program while he worked in OUSDI [the Office of Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence], up until the time he resigned effective 10/4/2017.”

https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo-unidentified-history-channel-luis-elizondo-pentagon/

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"60 Minutes" botched it again... (Original Post) Archae May 2021 OP
So, 60 Minutes is now all . . . hatrack May 2021 #1
Thank you for posting this. +1000 USALiberal May 2021 #2
There are UFOs, but they are not aliens from another planet! Nt USALiberal May 2021 #3
I'm not going to run with a blanket statement like that... Archae May 2021 #4
True, we need better proof! Nt USALiberal May 2021 #6
We don't know what they are Beaverhausen May 2021 #27
Exactly. An "unidentified flying object" is just that Rhiannon12866 May 2021 #29
Everything you need to know: Luis Elizondo is a regular on Coast To Coast Brother Buzz May 2021 #5
I'm supposed to take this seriously? Archae May 2021 #7
Not at all. Listening to Coast to Coast is one of my guilty pleasures Brother Buzz May 2021 #11
With the retirement and death of Art Bell, the show has got worse. Archae May 2021 #13
So is Michio Kaku. ruet May 2021 #8
When he is on that show, does he go off the deep end? Archae May 2021 #9
Speaking of UFOs, frogmarch May 2021 #10
Fairies are now flying saucers. Archae May 2021 #12
60 Minutes Overtime video with more of the interview with the Navy pilots who were highplainsdem May 2021 #14
Lil' Green Men from Mars twin_ghost May 2021 #15
Archae, you left out the part of that Intercept article about a different Pentagon spokesperson highplainsdem May 2021 #16
It still bothers me that skeptics were not given any time at all. Archae May 2021 #19
It was a 13 minute story with a lot of people to interview and military video to include. highplainsdem May 2021 #26
Wow. That "expert" whose video you have there is a mental health counselor but highplainsdem May 2021 #28
I also noticed Dana White was a trump goon... Archae May 2021 #20
It doesn't say anything about the confirmation that Elizondo headed that group. highplainsdem May 2021 #21
It isn't a confirmation. Archae May 2021 #22
According to the article you quoted in the OP, the excerpt I quoted in my reply, she highplainsdem May 2021 #23
Christopher Mellon, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and former highplainsdem May 2021 #17
NBC's Garrett Haake on the 60 Minutes story: highplainsdem May 2021 #18
Bullshit Beaverhausen May 2021 #24
You know where this story is going to go next month? Archae May 2021 #25

Archae

(46,328 posts)
4. I'm not going to run with a blanket statement like that...
Sun May 16, 2021, 08:33 PM
May 2021

BUT...

We have to have actual evidence.
Not just the usual blurry photos and videos, and wild claims by the zealots.

It's obvious CBS did sloppy research for this story, including painting a phony as "knowledgable," this reminds me of the time a "60 Minutes" reporter did a story about a guy who claimed to be in the middle of the Benghazi mess.
Turns out he wasn't.

Rhiannon12866

(205,405 posts)
29. Exactly. An "unidentified flying object" is just that
Mon May 17, 2021, 12:49 AM
May 2021

It's "unidentified" and appears to be flying, but nobody knows anymore than that. I remember when Jimmy Carter was ridiculed when he said he saw a UFO. He never said it was "aliens," it was merely flying and none of the group he was with could identify what it really was. Coincidentally, I've seen a UFO, too. It was flying at night and may have been an unusually low-flying plane of some sort, but in the dark it was impossible to tell.

Brother Buzz

(36,434 posts)
5. Everything you need to know: Luis Elizondo is a regular on Coast To Coast
Sun May 16, 2021, 08:34 PM
May 2021

Luis Elizondo's bio at Coast to Coast AM

BIOGRAPHY:

Luis Elizondo is a career intelligence officer whose experience includes working with the U.S. Army, the Department of Defense, the National Counterintelligence Executive, and the Director of National Intelligence. As a former Special Agent In-Charge, Luis conducted and supervised highly sensitive espionage and terrorism investigations around the world. As an intelligence Case Officer, he ran clandestine source operations throughout Latin America and the Middle East.

Most recently, Luis managed the security for certain sensitive portfolios for the US government as the Director for the National Programs Special Management staff. For nearly the last decade, Luis also ran a sensitive aerospace threat identification program focusing on unidentified aerial technologies. Luiss academic background includes microbiology, immunology and parasitology, with research experience in tropical diseases. Luis is also an inventor who holds several patents.

Archae

(46,328 posts)
7. I'm supposed to take this seriously?
Sun May 16, 2021, 08:37 PM
May 2021

From that web page:

TONIGHT
MAY
16
UFO DATABASE / DEATH OF MARILYN MONROE

Second Half: Author Nick Redfern delves into the death of Marilyn Monroe-- a murder made to look like a suicide or accident? He'll present an amazing story connecting UFOs, aliens, Roswell, Area 51, and the life and death of a beautiful, but scarred icon.

Brother Buzz

(36,434 posts)
11. Not at all. Listening to Coast to Coast is one of my guilty pleasures
Sun May 16, 2021, 09:05 PM
May 2021

I just love to mentally punch holes in their wackadoodle theories. And it's easy to do because they are generally not well grounded in solid science.

Archae

(46,328 posts)
9. When he is on that show, does he go off the deep end?
Sun May 16, 2021, 08:56 PM
May 2021

Making wild claims he can't back up?

Does he lie about his past employment?

"Coast To Coast AM" has long been a platform for right-wing kooks like Jerome Corsi, and Gary North.

And the occasional actual scientist.

frogmarch

(12,153 posts)
10. Speaking of UFOs,
Sun May 16, 2021, 09:04 PM
May 2021

many so-called UFO sightings are of lights in the sky. If some of them are on alien craft, why do they need lights? Surely not for navigational purposes. Also, ETs seem to be secretive - maybe even shy - so why lights?

Archae

(46,328 posts)
12. Fairies are now flying saucers.
Sun May 16, 2021, 09:19 PM
May 2021

Used to be people saw fairies in the sky, then they saw "airships," during the days when people like Zeppelin were experimenting with dirigibles.

Then a pilot made a comment about something he saw near Mt Rainier, about "saucers skipping over water," and "flying saucers" hit the popular media.

highplainsdem

(48,981 posts)
14. 60 Minutes Overtime video with more of the interview with the Navy pilots who were
Sun May 16, 2021, 09:36 PM
May 2021

part of the 2004 sighting from the Nimitz:


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/navy-ufo-sighting-60-minutes-2021-05-16/


They seem credible to me.

I thought it was an interesting story.

And I'm looking forward to hearing more about military sightings from that task force report next month.

highplainsdem

(48,981 posts)
16. Archae, you left out the part of that Intercept article about a different Pentagon spokesperson
Sun May 16, 2021, 10:06 PM
May 2021

having confirmed in 2017 that Luis Elizondo was in charge of the program he said he ran:


https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo-unidentified-history-channel-luis-elizondo-pentagon/


AMID THE MOUNTAIN of media coverage of Elizondo in the last two years, I have found only one story that provides official confirmation that he headed the government UFO program known as AATIP.

“Pentagon spokeswoman Dana White confirmed to Politico that the program existed and was run by Elizondo,” Bryan Bender wrote in December 2017. (Earlier this year, White, a Trump administration political appointee, resigned amid an internal probe into charges of misconduct.)

But Pentagon spokesperson Christopher Sherwood told me that he “cannot confirm” White’s statement.

As it happens, Bender, who is Politico’s defense editor, had a recurring role in the first episode of “Unidentified.” He appeared on camera numerous times as a kind of authoritative character witness for Elizondo, Mellon, and their UFO investigations.



So at best the freelancer who wrote that story for The Intercept has conflicting statements from Pentagon spokespeople.

And btw, the 60 Minutes story wasn't ONLY about Elizondo.

Nor did it state that the UFOs or UAPs are definitely extraterrestrial.

I suggest people watch it to make up their own minds.

I think the linked video I provided in my reply above, to the longer interview with 2 Navy pilots on 60 Minutes Overtime, segues into the full 60 Minutes story.

Archae

(46,328 posts)
19. It still bothers me that skeptics were not given any time at all.
Sun May 16, 2021, 10:47 PM
May 2021

Not the imaginary "Explain everything away" people, the actual people who do investigations that show evidence that the "UFO's" are not always aliens.

highplainsdem

(48,981 posts)
26. It was a 13 minute story with a lot of people to interview and military video to include.
Sun May 16, 2021, 11:14 PM
May 2021

As it was, the story shown on 60 Minutes left out a lot of what two Navy pilots said, sections of the interview that I wish had been shown on 60 Minutes and not just uploaded for 60 Minutes Overtime.

I'm sure that if the skeptics you favor want to respond to the task force report next month, they'll be able to get some attention from the media.

highplainsdem

(48,981 posts)
28. Wow. That "expert" whose video you have there is a mental health counselor but
Sun May 16, 2021, 11:43 PM
May 2021

not a psychologist or psychiatrist. His real specialty -- and maybe his main revenue stream -- seems to be opining at great length on YouTube, whether he has any expertise on the subject or not, whether it's UFO reports from the military or the Bill and Melinda Gates divorce or whatever TV show or celebrity he thinks will bring him more clicks and income.

I couldn't imagine 60 Minutes giving him ANY air time to respond.

Btw, his PhD is from Pat Robertson's Regent University, which has no SAT requirements.

His research specialty appears to be treating incarcerated juveniles:

https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Todd-L-Grande-71584318

Archae

(46,328 posts)
20. I also noticed Dana White was a trump goon...
Sun May 16, 2021, 10:54 PM
May 2021

And resigned due to misconduct charges.

That does say a lot.

highplainsdem

(48,981 posts)
23. According to the article you quoted in the OP, the excerpt I quoted in my reply, she
Sun May 16, 2021, 11:07 PM
May 2021

confirmed to Politico that Elizondo headed that group.

Again, you have contradictory statements from two Pentagon spokespersons. Both during the Trump administration.

And while Dana White reportedly did ask her staff to do personal favors for her, an abuse of power, she had a long resume and was not just "a Trump goon."

https://www.defense.gov/Our-Story/Biographies/Biography/Article/1170857/dana-w-white/

highplainsdem

(48,981 posts)
17. Christopher Mellon, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and former
Sun May 16, 2021, 10:32 PM
May 2021

staff director of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence:







Archae

(46,328 posts)
25. You know where this story is going to go next month?
Sun May 16, 2021, 11:12 PM
May 2021

I know.

Nowhere.

The release of the report will make some vague pronouncements about "anomalies," and disappear onto page 31C of the Times, if even that.

Because those videos showed NOTHING.

Just the usual fuzzy images.

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