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SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
Mon May 17, 2021, 08:17 AM May 2021

US investigates second suspected case of mystery 'syndrome' near White House

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/05/17/politics/us-investigates-second-case-mystery-syndrome-white-house/index.html

CNN)Two White House officials were struck by a mysterious illness late last year -- including one who was passing through a gate onto the property -- newly revealed details that come as investigators are still struggling to determine who or what is behind these strange incidents.

Multiple sources tell CNN that the episodes affected two officials on the National Security Council in November 2020, one the day after the presidential election and one several weeks later. The cases are consistent with an inexplicable constellation of sensory experiences and physical symptoms that have sickened more than 100 US diplomats, spies and troops around the globe and have come to be known as "Havana Syndrome."

The intelligence community still isn't sure who is causing the strange array of nervous system symptoms, or if they can be definitively termed "attacks." Even the technology that might cause such an inconsistent set of symptoms is a matter of debate.

More at link.
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US investigates second suspected case of mystery 'syndrome' near White House (Original Post) SheltieLover May 2021 OP
Well that's scary. And recent! Here's my favorite article on Havana Syndrome in GQ soothsayer May 2021 #1
Thx! SheltieLover May 2021 #2
Thanks - recommended FakeNoose May 2021 #4
What? That's extreme. zaj May 2021 #6
Didn't Trump&Co have the White House lawn dug up at one point woodsprite May 2021 #3
Two words. bucolic_frolic May 2021 #5
Ruh Roh!! AZ8theist May 2021 #7
So much disinformation to unpack infullview May 2021 #8
for anyone who might be interested... infullview May 2021 #10
In the 1970's there was talk about Turbineguy May 2021 #9
Russian Direct Energy Microwave Attacks Beetwasher. May 2021 #11
Imagine the havoc a combined brown note generator and Buns_of_Fire May 2021 #12
Or it could be Psychogenic edhopper May 2021 #13
Except they've found damage (permanent, as you never get more) white matter soothsayer May 2021 #14
Yes edhopper May 2021 #18
Weren't there reports of this in the Moscow embassy in the USSR? nuxvomica May 2021 #15
Strannyy. Komu eto vygodno? Bucky May 2021 #16
This is a lot bigger story than the UFO one!! Nt USALiberal May 2021 #17

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
4. Thanks - recommended
Mon May 17, 2021, 08:40 AM
May 2021

I've read about the microwave attacks in Havana but this story is new to me.
Good read ... and very upsetting. We need to start deporting Russians from the US.

woodsprite

(11,915 posts)
3. Didn't Trump&Co have the White House lawn dug up at one point
Mon May 17, 2021, 08:35 AM
May 2021

For construction they said was to enhance security? Also did they get permission and build the communications tower that the Chinese wanted? Hope they scour the area for Russian, Chinese, Saudi and other foreign entity (sympathetic to Trump) property rentals/purchases.

infullview

(981 posts)
8. So much disinformation to unpack
Mon May 17, 2021, 11:21 AM
May 2021

First, this would be a very narrow beam of focused microwaves. The device could be made from scavenged parts out of any kitchen microwave. Yes, a tinfoil hat would probably work to prevent brain damage, but you’d probably be mistaken for Marjorie Taylor Greene. This device could easily be mounted in a car or van and be almost impossible to track. One thing we could do is have our important personnel be outfitted with an audible microwave detector to warn if under attack. At least this would give people a heads up to seek cover in an area that would shield them from further harm. I would also postulate that such a device would have to be aimed like a gun as the power required to cover a large area would be prohibitive. The media claiming that they don’t know what this is is total BS

infullview

(981 posts)
10. for anyone who might be interested...
Mon May 17, 2021, 12:12 PM
May 2021


The microwave gun shown in this video is very crude. A good engineer could produce a wave guide with much better range with a very narrow beam.

Turbineguy

(37,331 posts)
9. In the 1970's there was talk about
Mon May 17, 2021, 11:22 AM
May 2021

directed low frequency sound that would cause intestinal cramps and an urgent need to "go". When directed at rioters, everybody would want to go home and use the toilet. Maybe it was an urban legend.

Then there were narrow band frequencies in the ultra violet band that could be used to target specific types of bacteria and viruses.

During WWII there were cases of soldiers who would warm themselves by a radar antenna and later turn out to be sterile.

This is the sort of research the Nazis as well as Russia could undertake using "anti-social-elements" as subjects.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,180 posts)
12. Imagine the havoc a combined brown note generator and
Mon May 17, 2021, 12:15 PM
May 2021

orgone ray (orgasm inducer) would cause.

I'd almost zeroed in on the brown note part, but I discovered that playing "Yummy, Yummy, Yummy, I've got love in my tummy" at a high volume had roughly the same effect, in addition to causing mild-to-severe nausea.

Science marches on.

edhopper

(33,580 posts)
18. Yes
Wed May 19, 2021, 10:06 AM
May 2021

The book goes over that. It's not that there aren't real problems, it's if they are caused by some mysterious raygun.

nuxvomica

(12,425 posts)
15. Weren't there reports of this in the Moscow embassy in the USSR?
Wed May 19, 2021, 07:25 AM
May 2021

IIRC, there was a report of this syndrome among U.S. embassy personnel in Moscow in the Soviet period. And the suspicion at the time was microwaves, not deliberately being used offensively but somehow as a spying technique.

one edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Signal

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