Of all people, the usually obnoxious Joe Scarbro' did himself proud.

[ariadne0614]

I missed the beginning, but what I caught of his rant in the first half hour of this morning’s show, was a thing of beauty. He addressed the tRump cult, and demanded that they either get a clue or get out. Catch it if you can, during the repeat at 8am ET.

[padah513]

1. No praise for Scarborough

He'll flip in the next segment and say the exact opposite.

[XanaDUer2]

2. Yep

while always saying, I'm just a simple country lawyer...

[Funtatlaguy]

5. And then talking English soccer or the RedSox.yawn.

CNN with Brianna Keillor now in the morning is much better.

[XanaDUer2]

25. Is it?

Joe's soccer breaks are boring as Hell to me, too

[ariadne0614]

3. He drives me nuts--generally can't stand him, but credit where credit is due this time. n/t

[USALiberal]

4. Please follow up with proof! Nt

[AngryOldDem]

7. No. He won't.

He’s been on this since Jan. 6. He may be a conservative, but he knows bullshit when he sees it, and is not afraid to call it.

[AngryOldDem]

6. That was one righteous rant.

Made me late for work, had to listen to the whole thing.

The Arizona recount got him going. Apparently the Arizona SoS has advised Maricopa County to replace all its voting equipment since it could have been corrupted by this third-party auditor.

“America — love it or leave it.” Truth.

[ariadne0614]

8. Satisfying, huh? He expressed my own disgust with the willfully ignorant.

[AngryOldDem]

9. Yes.

Nobody knows what kind of malware was installed on those machines. Herein lies the problem.

The hypocrisy of everybody involved in this needs to be called out from the rooftops — from the denials of what EVERYBODY saw on Jan. 6 to the outright LIE that the election was stolen. These things will kill democracy faster than anything enemies can do to us — and the people responsible for all of it are the ones who claim to love America the most.

Just spare me.

[ariadne0614]

10. +1

[Earth-shine]

12. Earlier this week, he was screaming about how Trump deserves credit for the vaccines.

If he had won the election, many more would have died due to his lack of ability to make a distribution plan.

All he could do was order companies to make vaccines, which they would do anyway.

[quickesst]

15. Be honest

There was absolutely no screaming during that segment but you know that. That the Trump Administration was responsible for assigning the companies responsible for developing a vaccine is a statement of fact. You also chose to ignore the fact that Scarborough let it be known that Trump had failed in every other aspect of this effort, and that the successful distribution of the vaccine was 100% to the credit of the Biden Administration. I know it is inconvenient, but sometimes facts are a necessary part of the entire story.

[TheRealNorth]

16. Trump had as much to with the vaccines as Gore had to do with the internet

[quickesst]

19. So you're saying....

.... that Al really did play a part in the invention of the internet? As small a part he played, and as stupid and dishonest his actions were concerning the vaccine rollout, to say he played no part is just simply not true.


For all his anti-science divisiveness, Trump proved keen on throwing large sums of money at a possible solution. And it worked. By December, emergency-use authorizations had been granted for Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. While Pfizer didn't take federal research-and-development funding, it was guaranteed $2 billion in vaccine sales. Moderna efforts would have taken far longer without a $4.1 billion U.S. investment.
None of this excuses Trump's considerable failures in responding to the pandemic. There were his early deceptions about the severity of it and the botched creation and dissemination of tests. His administration tossed out an urgent-response playbook from the previous administration. He mocked the wearing of masks, agitated against states for following medical guidelines and undermined public health agencies for their thorough drug and vaccine reviews. And, oh yes, he suggested looking into snake-oil remedies like injecting people with bleach.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4730339001

[TheRealNorth]

24. I am saying...

That both Trump and Gore threw money at research. And I am saying that in 2000 we did not consider throwing money at early internet research was worth giving Al Gore credit for the Internet.

So I am just insisting that we be consistent. And actually, I give GWB more credit than Trump because alot the policies and procedures around expediting drugs and vaccines for emergency use came about through bioterrorism and pandemic planning that occurred under his administration. Trump just signed off on the stuff.

[quickesst]

33. It is best....

....To know the facts before commenting. Although Al Gore has nothing to do with the actual invention of the internet, his efforts, and contributions were key elements in your being able to enjoy the internet today.
You're right. The approximately 4 billion dollars awarded to moderna was signed off by Trump, but would have significantly delayed their development of a vaccine had he not done so. What it boils down to is no matter how insignificant, Trump did make a contribution making Scarborough's statement one of fact. Scarborough did follow that up with more facts. He let it be known that Trump failed at every other aspect of the development of the vaccine, and gave the Joe Biden Administration 100% credit for the successful distribution, and further development.

Snip:
Al Gore, the 45th Vice President of the United States, was a key proponent of sponsoring legislation that funded the expansion of and greater public access to the Internet. Instrumental in helping to create the “Information Superhighway,” Gore was one of the first government officials to recognize that the Internet’s impact could reach beyond academia to fuel educational and economic growth as well.

Gore’s interest in computers dates back to the 1970s when he was a Congressman, where he had a reputation for being an “Atari Democrat.” He created the High-Performance Computing and Communications Act of 1991 (the Gore Bill), which allocated $600 million for high performance computing and helped create the NREN (National Research and Educational Network). In addition, the Gore Bill created the National Information Infrastructure (NII) also known as the Information Superhighway.

https://www.internethalloffame.org/inductees/al-gore

[IsItJustMe]

27. While your at it, you can give him credit for saying that Corona was no worse than the flu;

that it was all a hoax; that the Chinese created the virus to keep him from winning re-election (Which started all the hatred toward Asians; that we could cure Covid by taking Clorox; and all the other insanity he brought upon us.

Basically, you can give him credit for reluctance of so many people not getting the vaccine. No, it's bullshit!!!

[quickesst]

34. I agree with what you said....

.... which has absolutely nothing to do with the point I am making.

[Hamlette]

31. my beef with this view

is that Pfizer and Moderna were well on their way to developing a vaccine long before Trump "gave" them money. He followed the science and wants credit for finding it. Others identified companies that were most likely to develop the vaccine and funded them much earlier. If Trump wants credit, he must share it with those who were months ahead of him.

And of course, you know Al never said he invented the internet. What he said: “During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country’s economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.”

[quickesst]

35. Trump gave them the money....

.... which makes it a contribution, no matter how insignificant, which makes it a fact.

I find it amusing that you took my satirical statement about Al Gore seriously. I know everything about Al Gore's contribution, which actually opened the door, and made it possible for you and I to have this conversation.

[ChubbyStar]

41. You know everything about Al Gore's contribution?

Later dude. LOL!!!

[quickesst]

42. You're right...

.... I will admit I don't know absolutely everything about Al Gore's contribution, but I know enough in that it was significant and important to the citizens of the United States of America. He did not, as suggested in another post, throw money at it hoping something would stick. Personally, I think it's shameful that someone would compare Al Gore to the Despicable Donald Trump. Don't remember if it was you or one of your compatriots, but I find it telling when you guys can't even get your ducks in a row on the subject of Al Gore of all things. You are wrong about one thing. It's not "later". It's "much later".

[Hamlette]

17. I'm getting weary of the "Trump responsible for vaccine". That's BS

He took credit but doesn't deserve it. Many people outside of government identified the companies most likely to find a vaccine and spent billions to help them while Trump was still keeping sick people on a cruise ship so the number of cases in the US didn't go up.

I give him nothing.

[quickesst]

20. See my post #19

I don't think anyone is really giving him credit for the simple fact that everything he did not do right completely offset anything he might have done for a solution, but if you want to ignore simple facts, that is your prerogative.

[Justice matters.]

40. Any POTUS would have done the same in regard to the vaccines.

And any Democratic POTUS would not have called it a hoax, would not have neglected it (mask mandates ASAP) and thus, would have prevented around 400K deaths from the current near 600K (if not more).

Also would not have dismantled the preparedness task force Obama/Biden implemented.

[snowybirdie]

13. I turned him

Off about a minute into his rant. Although I'm just as angry as he is, screaming and yelling doesn't change hearts or minds. I pity Mika if he does that at home. It's abusive. Three wives, hmmmm?

[quickesst]

14. The biggest problem....

.... with Scarborough haters is for some reason they get it in their head that they are the only ones who watch the show, and feel free to take whatever he says and put it into a context that suits their narrative. They will say dumb stuff like Scarborough was screaming in one segment, and I'm thinking I watched that myself, and there was absolutely no screaming. It is bizarre. I don't believe I have ever witnessed another person being taken out of context so many times as Scarborough. The thing is, as many times as I have called bullshit on those who use this dishonest tactic, I have never received a reply in their defense. Does anyone really have to ask themselves why?

[Earth-shine]

18. "Screaming" was a metaphor. "Ranting" would be more accurate.

According to the Bob Woodward tapes, Trump knew about the potential severity of the pandemic weeks before he sent out any sort of alarm.

Trump gets no credit from me. Another president -- any other president -- would have charged up those companies better than he did.

You seem to be taking this all very personally. Good day.

[quickesst]

21. I watched the segment....

.... you are referring to. It was a calm, even conversation between Scarborough and Willie Geist. There was no ranting, but you know that also. Taking this personally? Not really. I have always taken on statements made out of context and untruths, and will continue to do so whenever I see it. I believe the ones taking this seriously are the Scarborough haters who think it is okay to use these tactics.

[Earth-shine]

22. I disagree. It's not the first time he got on his horse and ranted about Trump deserving credit.

More and more, I watch CNN at that time.

Frankly, you seem like a Scarborough lover. It's a little weird for me, but we're a big tent.

[StarfishSaver]

23. Nothing says, "I want to be taken seriously as a journalist" like perching yourself on a table

with your legs splayed in the air, gazing at your co-host while he grins into the camera with a "yeah, I'm doing that" grin on his face.

[11 Bravo]

26. "Splayed" means spread apart, and that's not the case.

I'm not a fan of Mika's, but your representation of the pic comes pretty damned close to a sexist trope.

[StarfishSaver]

30. "Splayed" means "extended apart or outward especially in an awkward manner"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/splay

This pose is the very definition of legs spread outward in an awkward manner.

As for your accusation that pointing this out is "pretty damned close to a sexist trope," all I can say is "whatever."

[11 Bravo]

36. Here are the usages given for "splay" from your own link.

He sat with his legs splayed apart.
She splayed her fingers to show off her manicure.

Splayed means spread apart. If you used the wrong word, just own it. If you're incapable of doing so, then hang on to that shovel and keep digging.

As for you not understanding that accusing a woman of spreading her legs has long had a place among sexist tropes, all I can say is "whatever".

[StarfishSaver]

37. I'll take Merriam-Webster's definition over yours.

If "splayed" meant only "spread apart," the definition would have simply been "spread apart" and not included "OR thrust outward," which you conveniently ignored.

But if you want to get all worked up over this, be my guest. I intended to write precisely what I wrote because I know exactly what it means, and your notwithstanding your misplaced outrage.

[11 Bravo]

38. Fine. What's M-W's FIRST definition? You know, the preferred usage?

That would be "extended apart" (ie: spread), as per your link.

You said it, and now appear to be incapable of admitting that perhaps you used the wrong word. Not my problem, as I have neither the time nor the inclination to continue to argue with someone claiming that a word doesn't mean what it so clearly does.

Have a pleasant weekend.

And now, since you appear to require the last word, it's all yours.

[quickesst]

32. Love him? No...

I do not love anyone I do not know personally. Untethered hate on the other hand does not require a personal relationship. I respect Scarborough for his turnaround concerning Trump just as I respect Steve Schmidt, the man who pretty much single-handedly torpedoed John Kerry's campaign, for his turnaround. Neither men now belong to the Republican Party. Steve Schmidt is now a Democrat, and Joe Scarborough is an Independent. Back to the point I was making, and the follow-up which you have completely ignored, he merely stated a fact, and then added that Trump failed at every other aspect, and gave Joe Biden complete credit for the successful distribution. I sense an air of accusation in your tone, but that's okay. It is often used as a deflection tactic. Just so you know, whether it's Scarborough or anyone else, when I see out of context statements, and untruths, I will do what I can to rectify it.
While I don't find anyting wrong with it, the use of the photo you posted is a cheap shot in this setting.

[joetheman]

28. The Scar can rant all he wants to but he and Mika helped Trump in 2016 and fawned over him while

smearing HRC as much as possible. Trump was called on their show or he called in almost three times a week. And Mika with her smarmy snide remarks about HRC were disgusting. I would say that Mika did not know HRC value. As Trumped began to ignore the Scar and Mika and after his remarks about Mika's face surgery the Scar and Mika began to change their enthrallment with Trump. That's how I remember the Scar and I will hold it against him forever.

[StarfishSaver]

29. +1

[Vinca]

39. That's what I remember, too. I hold him responsible for Trump managing to win that election.