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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf you sat down with Christ today what would you say
First is this wrong forum ,IF so apologies I ramble, I would say dude Im sorry that we have turned your messages of unconditional love into a message of oppression , and then these people attach it to nationalism and violence and greed. Everything you spoke against and they perverse your message of love. And then these people end up loving trumpig who claim be Christian I dont get them.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sistersyes, even their own lifesuch a person cannot be my disciple. Luke 14: 26
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Matthew 10: 35-37
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. Matthew 19: 29
Duncanpup
(12,861 posts)Casting demons into swine thats to me hey I dont know you yet I love you that is unconditional I feel.
Goodheart
(5,327 posts)He cast demons into a herd of innocent pigs and sent them off a cliff to their bone-shattering deaths.
How was that in any way a good tale?
Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)but some people think you're the son of god, whoever that is.
multigraincracker
(32,690 posts)Sermon on the Mt. and the Beatitudes. I get a different feeling from those words in Red.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)I'm not in any position to pick and choose which of Jesus's teachings are important to follow, and which can safely be ignored.
multigraincracker
(32,690 posts)Lots about divorce and greed.
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)but I hadn't realized the NEW Testament was filled with hmm, hate and deliberate division.
Next time my sister asks me if I believe "IN THE BIBLE", I'll try and remember that verse.
Probably not going to happen, give she just hung on me (yesterday) for calling her cult idol a snake and con man.
I have been since the age of 12 a deep believer in Freedom From Religion.
Jesus ain't got nothing to do with any of this shite.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)-misanthroptimist
(810 posts)"Now, what's with kids getting cancer, dude? That's messed up!"
sanatanadharma
(3,707 posts)"I am just so excited to see you. I've been looking for you everywhere. Sugar? Cream? Or are you perhaps a vegan?"
"I had questions but now my mind is blindingly clear. Cookies?"
milestogo
(16,829 posts)He shows up there a lot.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)Or are ancient alien theorists right?
Towlie
(5,324 posts)
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I mean, staying alive for nearly 2,000 years would be pretty convincing.
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)You ARE one......👽
TlalocW
(15,384 posts)What's with the whole immoral eternal torment for finite crimes thing?
TlalocW
Mariana
(14,858 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,291 posts)sarisataka
(18,663 posts)Haggard Celine
(16,847 posts)you're not coming back to rapture them? Their belief in a rapture is causing all sorts of terrible problems here.
Goodheart
(5,327 posts)Your name is on a lot of quotes in this book
And us crazy humans wrote it, you should take a look
And all the people that you made in your image
Still believing that junk is true
Well I know it ain't, and so do you
I can't believe in you.
TheProle
(2,179 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)kentuck
(111,104 posts)marble falls
(57,112 posts)One thing I feel about Christ is that he was no aesthete.
His first miracle, water into wine, and not fill in the gap quality, but good wine. And at a wedding party. I think Christ would have danced with the bride and joked with the groom over a cup. Christ hung with fishermen, he's called the carpenter, and some say that he was not a carpenter but a mason. These are not guys who discuss the Torah or the Kabbalah all day, these are hard-working people who laugh and joke and complain and yell and Christ worked with and among them laughing, talking, yelling along with them. Because this Christ also took a whip and drove the money changers and commercial booths out of the Temple in real anger, who also stood to toe with Satan in the desert.
What I really, really appreciate about Christ is, he's one of us.
Yavin4
(35,442 posts)Would he have done the electric slide at the wedding?
marble falls
(57,112 posts)NewHendoLib
(60,015 posts)Bayard
(22,100 posts)atreides1
(16,079 posts)Take all of your crazy followers and find them another planet to live on!!!
Caliman73
(11,738 posts)"Huh, you are in fact real...cool. I have a ton of questions for you.
1. Are you truly God?
2. Are you omnipotent and omniscient?
3. If you are the things above, why the hell didn't you make it more clear? Why leave it to "oral tradition" and people interpreting your life and words?
4. Why allow people to continue harming themselves and others fighting about you? Seems kind of sadistic for you to allow this to happen.
There are more, but I could go on for pages.
Knowing that I could be blinked out of existence in an instant, or subjected to torture, I would still ask those questions because if God is omnipotent and omniscient, then it could eliminate suffering in the world instantly. I do not buy this "free will" crap. Why would an all powerful God need people to "Choose" to love and follow? It sounds petty and small for a supreme being to do that.
Why other religions? Are there other gods competing to be the supreme?
Midnight Writer
(21,768 posts)You remember what happened last time.
dalton99a
(81,516 posts)Right Fucking Now.
Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)The claim is that they are all powerful beings. If that is the case then they flat out suck.
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)multigraincracker
(32,690 posts)Trinity to me?
marble falls
(57,112 posts)The missing names in the circles are Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
The Father is not the Son, The Father is not the Spirit ect
multigraincracker
(32,690 posts)pronoun for the Holy Spirit. Might be she or her. Would that make them all non-binary? They are all one, just like you and your dad.
I do like the chart.
marble falls
(57,112 posts)... if the Father wasn't originally the Mother. But my conclusion is that in that gender doesn't seem to me to be a concern of an all powerful Deity, it's not my concern either. Using 'Father' is a concession to the ease of convention.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)Are all the disciples vaccinated? Even Judas, that ... that ... that Judas!?
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)Too bad they took your story, added to it and made you a son of a God to control people.
RobinA
(9,894 posts)that he and his father are the very definition of terrorists and bullies, or else they are frauds They see bad things happen, they could stop them from happening (according to them) but they don't. They manipulate people with fear. They have watched bloody wars happen with millions killed over which form of belief in them is right, but they do nothing. I'd tell him that although they have inspired some really great art and buildings, it seems pretty narcissistic to sit around and watch all this art and architecture happen but, let's face it, do very little to earn the adulation. Although, I might congratulate him on the scam they've got going. It's damn lucrative.
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)...variation of No one gets to the father except thru me thing he might have actually said.
The exclusionary nature of Christianity, based on that alleged statement, is very damaging and intolerant.
Goodheart
(5,327 posts)Klaralven
(7,510 posts)Being born of a virgin, he should be genetically identical to Mary.
Raine
(30,540 posts)this beautiful planet so all the animals can live their best lives and the Earth can heal. 🙏
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)hurl
(938 posts)and take these people from us?
Blecht
(3,803 posts)That must be the case if I am sitting down with a piece of mythology.
RegularJam
(914 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)hunter
(38,317 posts)See if he turns the other cheek.
bluestarone
(16,976 posts)Lots of his people need their ASS pulled into Hell!! What's the hold up?
aka-chmeee
(1,132 posts)No more magic mushrooms.
Oneironaut
(5,504 posts)Tree Lady
(11,476 posts)To write a book about you? Believe me they will use it to twist your life up and lie about it.