Capitol Rioters Not Willing to Take Plea Deals

[applegrove]

Capitol Rioters Not Willing to Take Plea Deals

May 21, 2021 at 11:54 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 137 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2021/05/21/capitol-rioters-not-willing-to-take-plea-deals/

"SNIP.....

Reuters: “Nearly four months after the U.S. Capitol attack, just one of more than 440 people charged has pleaded guilty, a sign of tough conditions set by prosecutors for plea deals and resistance by defense lawyers to their demands.”

“Lawyers for more than a dozen defendants said plea talks so far have foundered because prosecutors demanded their clients turn over social media data, cell phones and other evidence, while also pushing for prison sentences they would not accept.”

.....SNIP"

[SoonerPride]

1. Juries will put them away for longer

And trump didn’t secretly pardon them.

So they are screwed.

Good.

[moonscape]

11. An impartial jury yes, but with so many

sympathizers in the country, and it only taking one, my confidence is not as strong.

[brush]

25. They can't get around the fact that they there inside the Capitol...

building, storming in with the rest of the insurrectionists. Even sympathetic jurors won't be able to get around that simple fact. The failed coup participants will be found guilty of at least that.

[MichMan]

34. Trespassing?

What do most people who commit trespassing receive as a sentence? I bet it isn't much

[brush]

36. Participating in a coup attempt against one's own...

government in it's Capitol building is a bit different than simple trespassing I'd say. And who said the charge would be trespassing? Sedition and insurrection come to mind. There was much property damage and injuries. People died.

Nah, more than just trespassing.

[MichMan]

39. Your statement would seem to fit the definition of trespassing, so that was the basis for my reply

"They can't get around the fact that they there inside the Capitol...building, storming in with the rest of the insurrectionists. Even sympathetic jurors won't be able to get around that simple fact. The failed coup participants will be found guilty of at least that."

Merriam Webster dictionary definition

Definition of trespass (Entry 2 of 2)
1a: an unlawful act committed on the person, property, or rights of another
especially : a wrongful entry on real property
b: the legal action for injuries resulting from trespass

[brush]

41. You suggested trespassing. Would you call participants of...

the Jan. 6 insurrection trespassers?

That would be like cops charging someone with trespassing and ignoring a dead body in the place trespassed against.

[MichMan]

42. Yes, if their only crime was being physically inside the building, that would seem appropriate

You were the one that said "They can't get around the fact that they there inside the Capitol...building, storming in with the rest of the insurrectionists. Even sympathetic jurors won't be able to get around that simple fact. The failed coup participants will be found guilty of at least that."

Under the definition of trespassing (which I already posted) that would appear to me to meet that definition. I am only responding to your exact words.

If in fact they merely walked into the building and did nothing else, what do you think they should be charged with? Murder?? Really??

If the prosecution was actually going to charge every single person with murder charges, no jury will convict them.

[brush]

43. That is what I said. But come on now. If there is evidence of...

multiple, serious crimes and you're there, you're gonna get charged with more than trespassing because you're right there where the multiple and serious crimes occurred.

Police and prosecutors don't ignore the obvious.

[tblue37]

35. In some parts of the country we might see jury nullification.

[brush]

37. Explain, please.

[tblue37]

38. In some parts of the country, a jury without Trump supporters might be hard to seat.

Of course, if the trials are all in DC, then the jury would probably be weighted against him.

[Bev54]

33. Will most of these court cases be in DC? where the crime was committed?

If so they are f*cked.

[applegrove]

2. I bet there are lots of other criminal investigations to start in that

social media data and those cell phones.

[Progressive Jones]

6. That's why the treason monkeys don't want to give it up. nt

[Progressive Jones]

3. They should be happy that they aren't going to be executed. nt

[East-A-Squared]

4. Are they betting on juries acquitting them?

[Captain Zero]

22. No. They bet on a Trump pardon after re-election 2024.

Dumbasses.

[maxsolomon]

24. Yes, Jury Nullification.

1 obstinate Trumper who lied to get on the Jury is all it takes:

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/mistrial-declared-in-trial-of-couple-accused-of-uw-assault-after-jury-cant-reach-a-verdict/

[localroger]

29. A mistrial isn't an acquittal, though

They can be re-tried -- and in this case, it's the feds, they almost certainly would be. There's dead people and millions of dollars in damage. They're not just going to let it go.

[samnsara]

5. they are hoping trump will be put back on his thrown and pardon the bums

[PortTack]

7. They better start rethinking that! The Pelosi office invader is looking at 82 months, no parole

And that’s down from the original 10 yrs

[grumpyduck]

8. Well, the insurrection

was certainly a boom for a lot of lawyers.

[kentuck]

9. Their dream is to delay, delay, and delay until....

Trump comes back into the White House and pardons them.

That is what they believe.

[Johnny2X2X]

40. I was just coming to post this

They think they’re going to get pardons. Somehow someway. They’re making it worse for themselves.

[Midnight Writer]

10. They can clog the system by demanding hundreds of full on trials.

[PortTack]

14. That's a terrible mistake on their part. The wheels of justice may turn slowly, but they don't stop

They will still serve their time.

Not to mention the continuing need for expensive legal representation. The guy who invaded Pelosi’s office has spent his life savings, sold his cars and home and is now using a public defender

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

21. In other words, he's fucked!

My reaction is:

Enjoy prison, LOSER!

[IcyPeas]

12. are they being charged with actual "insurrection"

[bottomofthehill]

13. Fuck them all

Try them, convict them, lock them up, throw away the key. There is plenty of video, they should all get a Felony Disruption of Congress charge as their actions clearly caused the House and Senate to recess. Not over charging by even a bit. Their actions invading the Capitol clearly Disrupted Congress. They show fits, wear it. Felony conviction means when you get out, no guns…. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Salviati]

15. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

Please proceed dipshits.

[underpants]

16. The article states twice that it's still early in the process

"It is still relatively early in the process," Levenson said. "Prosecutors don't want to ... set the standards too low. There's not a lot incentive for prosecutors to give a sweetheart deal."

[tenderfoot]

17. They must have unlimited income to pay all of those lawyers fees

eom

[dchill]

18. So, they're going down hard.

[Trueblue1968]

19. LOCK THEM ALL UP. 15 Years in the slammer !!

[WyattKansas]

20. Maybe they think tRUMP will pardon them if they hold out too?

After all, they are all sure that he is still secretly pResident and he will save them.

[11 Bravo]

23. Fine. Lock 'em up and lose the key.

[Mr.Bill]

26. If not many plea deals are being taken,

that could be the result of not many being offered. They've got the goods on these people. They committed their crimes in front of cameras and many witnesses.

Go rob a bank undiguised on camera and see if they offer you a plea deal.

[WarGamer]

31. The Feds always offer plea deals

These people want court dates, they want to file change of venue requests and have a Jury with 6 Trumpists on it.

[Marcuse]

27. Qbacca's lawyer ran an insanity plea up the media flagpole to see who would salute."Short bus,etc".

[CanonRay]

28. They'll find Jesus on the Courthouse steps

[WarGamer]

30. I predicted this right here on DU.

Change of venue requests and looking for 1+ Trumpist on a Jury.

[Nevilledog]

32. Okay.

[csziggy]

44. Hmmm, 440 trials. That might be better than a congressional investigation!

Just think over the next year, or two or three, all these trials, with all the insurrectionists trying to justify the destruction and invasion at the Capitol, plus excusing the shouts to hang Pence and others. Four hundred and forty of these trials, one after another.

They should be televised, the same way that the insurrection was televised. Put every one of these idiots on people's screens, day after day, week after week with some good commentators covering the trials.

[applegrove]

45. I said this months ago.

[csziggy]

46. Sorry - I missed your post.

Great minds and all of that, though.

[applegrove]

47. I meant it as agreement. And the news story arc will be, again and again, that

Trump fools were deluded by Trump and others into breaking the law for which they will be for in years in prison. The repetative nature of the cases will mean people will even hear it over the noise machine on the right. McConnell and McCarthy will have to answer questions by the press on it for years.