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[DemocratSinceBirth]

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[NotANeocon]

1. So suppose they acknowledge Israel's right to exist-

- with 1947 borders - and demand Israel forego any future Lebensraum activity - would that be acceptable to their arms suppliers?

[Beastly Boy]

2. The "region" Biden is referring to includes Hamas and their arms suppliers,

and implies they forego Lebensraum on their part (just to make it clear: Hamas' and Iran's explicit threats to wipe Israel off the map fits your definition of Lebensraum to a T).

But what Biden said was there will be no peace until universal recognition of Israel happens. This is not an offer. So your counter-offer is uncalled for.

[SoonerPride]

3. Uncalled for??

😂

Ok. Whatever

Good luck

[NotANeocon]

4. So YOUR answer is -

Israel will continue universal terrorism and center it on North Africa while ignoring all previous agreements they were party to.{as expected}.

Yes - I understand you have no authority to speak for Israel.

BTW I made no counter-offer. I simply added essential parameters to the original statement.

[Beastly Boy]

6. This is your answer, not mine.

My answer is that you missed the point of the OP, and it appears you did it quite deliberately, just so you can rant some more. Exactly what you did with my post, except now you are putting your words, which have nothing to do with what I said, into my mouth. The oldest trick in the book.

[NotANeocon]

9. Poor Beastie.

Yes we all know yours is the ONLY possible interpretation!

[Beastly Boy]

11. Spare your pity. You are the only one who offered an interpretation.

An interpretation that had nothing to do with what Biden said.

Just for once, try to hear what Biden is really saying. It's not subject to interpretation, really. Neither did I attempt one. I just repeated what he said to direct your wayward attention back to it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. I hope Bibi shows appreciation for Biden's support.

IMHO Bibi is to Israel what Trump is to America.

[Beastly Boy]

13. I hope so too. But something tells me Biden is not counting on it.

From Bibi's most recent statements that I saw on TV, it appears Biden has him by the balls. Bibi looks scared.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

5. How about recognizing that the Palestinians were there first?

And many of them had their property simply taken from them.

[NotANeocon]

7. Typical British Imperial Diplomacy.

Promise the same land to two people and see what happens when you step away.

Cyprus - Palestine (Persia). Ireland, India, etc etc

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Jews aren't indigenous to that area?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

14. I'm hoping you simply left out the sarcasm thingie.

They were, but over the millennia, the people we now call Palestinians moved in, started farming, and so on. They were simply and brutally thrown out when Israel came into existence.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. No need to patronize me, sir or ma'am.

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Archaeological digs indicate a Jewish presence in that land going back to 1200 B.C.E. and they have been a majority in Jerusalem since 1844. I don't know why you would want to erase 3,000 plus years of Jewish history in that area and am afraid to find out.

[tritsofme]

17. Jews were the largest group in Jerusalem by the 1840s.

There has been continuous Jewish presence in the area for millennia, Jews are not foreigners in their own homeland.

Over 700k Jews fled or were expelled from their historic homes in Arab countries after the wars around Israel’s creation, the conflicts saw a fairly even population exchange. The difference being that Israel integrated their refugees into society, where Arab countries keep the descendants of refugees in squalid camps and refuse to bring them into their society even after living there for generations.

[Takket]

10. how that would go...

Arabic states: "Hey, we'll recognize your right to exist if you stop pushing settlements into Palestinian areas and recognize them as a state as well."

Israel: *Walks out of room*

i don't think they particularly care who recognizes them as what. They are doing fine, they seize more land when they need it, and no one has the military and/or incentive to stop them.

[NotANeocon]

16. After "walks out of room"

comes "bombs neighbors for refusal to submit".

[tritsofme]

18. President Clinton had an offer on the table that would have created a Palestinian state

with a capital in East Jerusalem.

It was rejected by Arafat, and their response was the violence, terror, and suicide bombings of the Second Intifada.

I think you have it a little backwards on who has been walking out of the room...

[Takket]

20. so you think if the arab nations offered that deal today, Israel would agree to it?

by "deal" i mean the one in my post, not the Clinton one.

[tritsofme]

21. How do you suppose your hypothetical deal differs from the one Palestinians have rejected?

[tritsofme]

19. Great to see that President Biden lives in the reality based community.