When someone tells us we must "respect the views of others", that sounds like a rather

[Atticus]

benign good idea. But, that's not always good advice.

Facts are facts. "Other views" about what the facts are were called "alternative facts" by the Trump regime. Alternative facts = BULLSHIT.

It is often quoted that we all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts. When Trumpies scream that Trump is "really" the POTUS, that is not a "view" to be "respected"; that is "the Big Lie", a tactic devised by the Hitler regime and now shamelessly copied by today's nazi-wannabes.

Truth is Trump's Kryptonite.

[czarjak]

1. "Fuck your feelings" isn't a one-way street?

[I_UndergroundPanther]

4. Yes I agree totally

When someone used abusive speech to bully a person or shut them down that's not protected speech in my mind, that is abuse. And verbal abuse should be attacked for what it is.

It's a fine line between abusive speech and free speech.

When people are challenging your argument,or your beliefs,without tearing down the person ,personally ,that has them is speech worth being free no matter how heated it gets.

Both parties disagree but don't tear each other apart to win a debate at all costs.


If a relationship exists between them it isn't destroyed because they disagree with each other.

If a person does not attack the argument or belief,but instead bully the person,emotionally abuse them,to shut them up,or to get other people to scapegoat the person,or dominate the person or the others around them,that is abusive speech designed to get one person in the debate an undeserved "win".

This means they never wanted a debate they want to dominate and get an undeserved win of the debate.

There are plenty of unreasonable people,deluded people,true believers who turn into a defensive rage monster any time someone disagrees with them.

and fake victims with butthurt that you exist.


False victims crying abuse because someone disagrees
or totally debunks thier arguments or beliefs muddy the line of what free speech means by abusing the person that challenged thier beliefs or arguments
Than playing the victim and lying about it makes dealing with the issue more complicated. There needs to be a return to civility.

I don't see the magat cult to ever be civil to other people that challenge thier beliefs lies or false "facts".

They are abusive in defending their beliefs.
Proving they can't handle the fact that thier over cherished beliefs are bullshit.
So they abuse the challenger trying to penetrate thier wall of defenses to let a little reality in.

At that point the debate is pointless.
And the abuser thinks he won the debate.
This intellectual dishonesty in magats is mind boggling.

So they keep verbally abusing people to get thier way. To keep thier delusions intact. So they can abuse people emotionally with thier words because they"win".

[underpants]

5. Thank you. It's the "PC" police too.

Pointing out how the same people get soooo victimized by anything Politically Correct is a more work friendly way of saying it.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

2. Respecting the fantasy based Qpoints of psycQhotic fascist sycophants nope

never gonna happen.

They are individually and collectively dangerous and need to be quarantined from power. I would never trust them to be anywhere near my grandchildren.

[niyad]

3. They demand from us that which they will not do themselves. May they receive everything they

deserve.

[underpants]

6. Oooh that's good.

I’m using it.

[Butterflylady]

7. The truth always wins.

The universe always has the last say.

[Sibelius Fan]

8. No one has to respect the beliefs of others. One need only respect the right of people

to hold whatever beliefs they will. You have every right to call the beliefs themselves wacko.

[zaj]

11. Democracy means we need to find a way to live with different views

Sharing power means sharing power with people you disagree with.

[Sibelius Fan]

18. Of course. Has nothing to do with the point I was making.

[zaj]

19. Both points need to be made in moments like this.

Democracy needs to be saved from attacks on the right. But rebuilding it requires understanding from both sides. And that's really hard to consider in a crisis like we face today.

[Hotler]

9. When I here stuff like that, it's usually followed by some racist shit from that person. nt

[zaj]

10. Start with facts, then understand how people make decisions

Values, morals, cognitive dissonance, etc

[edhopper]

12. Respect someones right to hold certain views

is not the same as not challenging those views.
Just as the right to free speech doesn't mean what a person says can't be argued against.
A person can say what they want, but still be called a fool.

[forgotmylogin]

13. Yes, they like to use the actual mechanics of liberalism against us.

"What, you don't respect my completely wrongheaded and stupid point of view? I thought you were a liberal?"

There is a huge difference between being liberal and being a doormat.

[hatrack]

14. No, we are bound to respect the right they have to hold different views . . .

Whatever those views may be, they should be judged on their own merits.

Am I somehow required to "respect the views" of a anti-vaxxer, or a UFO abduction "victim"?

Am I supposed to "respect the views" of a woman who claims she was knocked up by Jesus, who appeared one night in her bedroom, wearing Body Glove surfing gear and Tevas, and smoking some primo Thai Stick?

Is it somehow incumbent upon me to "respect the views" of Ted Cruz, or Ammon Bundy, or Josh Hawley or Lin Wood?

No.

[3Hotdogs]

15. Yeah, well Fuck Me !!! Why do people on D.U. honk on me for my membership

in the Flat Earth Society?

[Mz Pip]

16. Tolerate, perhaps

Respect, no.

No one is entitled to go through life not being offended. We don’t all think the same but respect is earned not something given without question.

I will never respect the views of MTG or her supports. I don’t demand or expect respect from them, either. I’m good with that.

[Richard58]

17. Exactly!

I can "respect the views of others" when their views are mostly benign. Which football team is better? Capitalism vs socialism. Meat eater vs vegan. But what I can't respect are views that are hateful, racist or outright absurd bullshit. "Climate change isn't real!", "Jews control the world!", "Masks are dangerous!" and, "Trump won the 2020 election by a landslide!" are all examples of views I won't let people say without confronting them. I can't "respect" such ideas much less not challenge them. There is a thing out there called "reality" and if you don't live in it I won't tolerate your nonsense. So no, I don't have to "respect" anyone's views if they are idiotic.