What do DUers think of Officer Sicknick's death being from "natural causes"?

[lastlib]

I'm having a litlle tiff with a tRumper and want to get some thoughts to beat some sense into it with.

[Mz Pip]

1. Okay

I doubt these “natural causes” would have happened if he hadn’t been assaulted. If he was home watching TV he’d still be alive.

[Hortensis]

10. This. If he'd been home watching TV he'd still be alive.

[USALiberal]

2. I trust it. Nt

[Under The Radar]

3. Would he have died from those same "natural causes" on a normal day?

What exactly were the natural causes?

[Brother Buzz]

11. Two mini strokes and blood clots

I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on televisions, but my understanding is elevated stress can trigger them

[Maine Abu El Banat]

17. I stayed at a holiday Inn express last night.

But you are right. Anything that raises blood pressure can cause a stroke.

[dawg day]

4. "But for" "Would this have happened but for being beaten by a crazed mob?"

Also, you might ask whether it's okay to beat up a police officer, spray him with bear spray, and traumatize him, as long as the subsequent death is "natural"?

Ask what this Trumper would say to the officer's children. "Hey, don't blame Trump and his thuggish followers that your father's last days were filled with terror and pain"?

[lastlib]

27. I should dare this person to look his wife and kids in the eye and say "natural causes."

I think I'm getting a strong consensus here.

[BlueStater]

5. There was nothing "natural" about his death.

He had a stroke because of the stress of dealing with traitorous psychopaths trying to murder him the previous day.

[indigoth]

6. Because

Being beat while protecting congress is natural, right?

[blm]

8. He experienced no unusual stress that day he was assaulted at work?

I would have had a massive heart attack right there on the scene. Would that have been natural causes?

[bottomofthehill]

9. He collapsed in the Capitol after physically engaging the Insurrectionists.

He was exposed to chemical agents and collapsed the day before he died of a stroke.

He was a healthy young police officer on the Bike unit.

Prior to the Domestic Terrorist Attack on the Capitol he had no health issues, the day after he was engaged in a pitched battle for hours on the West Front of the US Capitol in the defense of democracy he was dead.

Think Agent Orange, soldiers did not die in battle but they were killed by taking part in a war where chemicals were used.

[Effete Snob]

12. What do you think of the competence and integrity of these people?

If you believe these people are corrupt, incompetent and/or sympathetic to white supremacists, explain why.


https://ocme.dc.gov/page/executive-staff-ocme



Chief Medical Examiner, Francisco J. Diaz, MD, FACP

Dr. Francisco J. Diaz received his medical degree in his native country, Dominican Republic. After receiving his medical degree, Dr. Diaz trained in Anatomic Pathology at Conemaugh Memorial Medical Center in Johnstown, Pennsylvania/Temple University. In 2000, Dr. Diaz accepted a fellowship in forensic pathology with the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in affiliation with Hahnemann University (now Drexel University).

After completing the forensic pathology fellowship, Dr. Diaz joined the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Wayne County, Michigan as an Assistant Medical Examiner. In January 2012, in affiliation with the Wayne County Medical Examiner's Office, Dr. Diaz was appointed to the University of Michigan faculty, Department of Pathology as Assistant Professor. Dr. Diaz was a Medical Examiner in Michigan for 16 years.

Dr. Diaz has performed more than 8500 autopsies during his career and testified hundreds of times in circuit, district, and federal courts. He has also provided numerous civil depositions. Dr. Diaz is the co-author of "Spitz and Fisher Medicolegal Investigation of Death on his 5th edition.

Dr. Diaz has also co-authored 35 peer-reviewed articles, abstracts, and presentations and has been invited on numerous occasions to speak at regional, national, and international conferences. He is board certified in Anatomic Pathology as well as Forensic Pathology. He is a fellow of the College of American Pathologists (CAP) and the National Association of Medical Examiners (NAME), and the American Society for Clinical Pathology (ASCP).



Chief Toxicologist, Samantha Tolliver Ph.D

Samantha S. Tolliver, Ph.D., is the Chief Toxicologist at the Washington, DC Office of the Chief Medical Examiner (DC OCME). She was previously employed as the Deputy Chief Toxicologist at the DC OCME and has been employed there since 2014.

Her fifteen years of toxicology experience include postmortem, driving under the influence, drug facilitated crime, pre/post exposure and work place drug testing. Her testimony experience encompasses both civil (family law) and criminal, within the States of Texas and Massachusetts, as well as the District of Columbia.

Dr. Tolliver holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Chemistry from West Virginia State University. She earned both her Master of Science in Forensic Science, as well as a Doctorate in Chemistry from Florida International University.

She is certified in toxicology from the National Registry of Certified Chemists. Dr. Tolliver has made scientific presentations at the Drug & Alcohol Testing Industry Association, the American Academy of Forensic Scientists and the Society of Forensic Toxicologists (SOFT). Dr. Tolliver is an active member of SOFT and the American Academy of Forensic Sciences.

[Phoenix61]

14. Thank you. Cardiac events happen for no reason all the time. nt

[bottomofthehill]

25. My bad, removed.

I thought I read that the ME was Under the crime lab, I was incorrect and thus removed the post.

[kcr]

26. I don't think anyone is accusing the doctors of anything

But, I suspect you already know that. The question isn't whether he suffered a stroke.

[Tom Rinaldo]

13. I'm pretty sure that if I tried to hand shovel three feet of snow off of a long driveway

I would die from "natural" causes also.

[MichMan]

15. I believe the analysis done by Dr. Diaz and Dr. Tolliver after performing the autopsy

If others want to totally dismiss the scientific experts that have all the facts, they have the right to do so.

[Effete Snob]

23. The Office of Medical Examiner is not related to that lab

Crime labs do not determine the cause and manner of death.

You are posting misinformation to discredit these individuals.

[Iggo]

18. I don't.

Or rather, I stopped, because I’m done thinking about it.

Discussing it here reaches about Ick Factor 9, so I’m gonna go ahead and just hide this thread.

[Sneederbunk]

19. Jumping to conclusions has become a national pastime.