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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWapo: A seismic standoff over remote work is building
The pandemic finally seems to be easing its grip on the United States, nudging us back into public life, friendly visits, even travel. But going back to the office full-time?
According to most workers, the answer is simple: I would prefer not to.
Not yet. Not every day, anyway and maybe not ever. If the pandemic has shown us anything, its that the old way of working left little room for living. Between our fragile mental health and a work world desperate to have us slot back in, something has to give. The obvious answer is a new model that allows for in-office, hybrid or fully remote work. But its an open question how many workplaces agree.
A poll by the Best Practice Institute and reported in Newsweek found that some 83 percent of CEOs want employees back full-time, while only 10 percent of workers want back in. A seismic standoff is building. There is a belief in our culture that weve proven that most jobs can be done virtually, Melissa Swift of consulting firm Korn Ferry told Newsweek. But thats not the belief within the leadership of organizations, so were headed for a real clash.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/21/i-dont-want-go-back-office-im-not-alone/
We ought to stop referring to "working remotely," imo. It's just working. The other kind of working should be called, "working in an expensive building after driving a polluting car for half an hour."
CrispyQ
(36,470 posts)Manager types want employees at work so they can control them. They don't have nearly as much authority if employees are working from home.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Its silly
dawg day
(7,947 posts)I think I'm working less cuz I stop and put a load of laundry in or call a friend. But then I realized that I work through lunch every day, answer work emails as soon as I get up and after dinner.
With the office, there's a commute, but then I'm there for those hours and leave the computer and work behind when I go home.
I probably am working an extra 5 hours a week (which would equal my commute time).
Employer benefits because I'm paying for my own setup, computer, and internet. I should get some $ for that, I suspect.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)But mostly its the old commute time that gets rolled into work hours. Plus, you hardly ever go *out* to lunch (which is why companies put cafeterias in their buildings so youll stay and work longer).
Salviati
(6,008 posts)... it's about control.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Or they can learn to. New skills!
appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)to sense/detect your mood while working remotely with 2 buttons indicating 'up' or 'down.'
A woman in Britain developed it to supposedly monitor her young daughter.
The article I read emphasized how helpful it would be for employee use, you know, just to check in on how they're feeling and doing...in these stressful times.
Looking out for workers and all.. lol
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)underpants
(182,823 posts)That is one of my points in my post below.
Auggie
(31,172 posts)uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... value their ability to oversee peripheral crap like morale and clock manage vs have wholistic metrics that need to be meet by employees.
Real estate has got a reckoning coming
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... likely are heading towards a lot of HR moments
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)and we both concluded that the world will be changing to more remote work for those who have the luxury of doing so which is a good percentage but hardly the "most" as mentioned in the article. Companies will find that they are more productive for less cost and they will downsize office spaces. This is not going to be a good time to own commercial office real-estate.
underpants
(182,823 posts)I wont be surprised if we WE end up with some commercial real estate bailouts. Hey we could use a lot more affordable housing.
paleotn
(17,920 posts)and will continue to get hammered. In the new paradigm, we're vastly overbuilt. Office space goes the way of shopping malls.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)underpants
(182,823 posts)The big thing for me is time. I have at least 2 hours a day more of MY TIME by working at home and my commute is 20-25 minutes each way. Thats the big thing for me. I have an office job but its in an educational setting so I speed at least 30% of my day on my feet. Im the guy at work.
The author says this isnt about butts in the seats but it is. Company culture really means that they want to physically be managing over you. They have the home turf just by you having to be there. This is unsettling to managers (especially bad ones) because its outside the norm and threatens their existence as a position. Their reluctance is understandable.
Clothes are a whole other issue. Ive actually gained weight since going back into work.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)That working remotely is less productive for the most part so it is really a compensation issue.
mac2766
(658 posts)I found that my personal productivity actually increased. I wasn't continually interrupted by co-workers. I was at my desk on time every morning. I usually worked late and even on weekends.
My wife has been working from home for several years now. I can tell you that she works far more hours from home than she did when she was going into the office. When the office closed, she left. At home, she works until the work is finished for the day.
I realize that my wife and I are just 2 examples, but our experiences need to be taken into consideration, as I'm sure our example is fairly common.
As for the benefits of working from home. There are many for both the employee and for the company. When I was approached about working from home, the lease on the building that our offices were in came up. Our manager made the decision not to re-new that particular lease. The company saved many thousands of dollars per month with us working from home. The very best benefit for the employee is piece of mind. No driving on the highways/roads with the crazies or being a crazy angry driver on the highways/roads. Not having to pay 50 bucks or more for gasoline every week. Saving money on lunch - since you shop for your own personal cafeteria supplies. Saving money on clothing, saving, saving, saving... and saving time. No commute so you're at work when you get out of bed, and you're home as soon as you shut down for the day.
ShazzieB
(16,412 posts)Or is it just an assumption on your part? I'm sincerely asking, because I've talked to so many remote workers who say they are at least as productive working from home as they were in the office. I haven't seen anything other than anecdata on this, but there are an awful lot of people who feel that way.
I tend to think that some people probably are more productive at home, and probably some aren't, but I suspect that's more of an individual kind of thing, rather than an inherent feature/bug of working remotely.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)I listened to a news report that made that claim. Not scientific, I agree.
It could depend on the nature of your work too. It you work requires close teamwork remote may not work as well. If the work is of an independent nature then the fewer distractions could result in higher productivity.
I'm now retired but when I worked I was kind of hybrid in that I could work from home and did on a small scale but choose to go in as I needed to coordinate my work with others. Also, response time from my home equipment was slower than response time from the office as their equipment had more power than my laptop.
kcr
(15,317 posts)https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/15259-working-from-home-more-productive.html
https://www.greatplacetowork.com/resources/blog/remote-work-productivity-study-finds-surprising-reality-2-year-study
https://www.inc.com/scott-mautz/a-2-year-stanford-study-shows-astonishing-productivity-boost-of-working-from-home.html
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TxGuitar
(4,191 posts)I'm certainly a happier and more productive worker at home, especially considering my commute is an hour a day each way on a good day. Why should I give the company 2 free hours (or more)? Why should they ask that?
FreeState
(10,572 posts)How productive is working from home?
Working from home is just as productive as working in the office possibly more so. A two-year study by Great Place to Work® of more than 800,000 employees at Fortune 500 companies found that most people reported stable or even increased productivity levels after employees started working from home.
https://www.greatplacetowork.com/resources/blog/remote-work-productivity-study-finds-surprising-reality-2-year-study
paleotn
(17,920 posts)We're way more productive than we were in offices. If I think of something, some epiphany, I wander down, log in and work an hour or so. The computer is always on. Pre-covid, the laptop didn't come out unless it was necessary. Plus, there's few distractions. Little office chit chat that burns vast amounts of productive time. We management types are amazed at what folks can get done now in the same number of calendar days compared to pre-covid.
Marrah_Goodman
(1,586 posts)Even off the book hours.
tinrobot
(10,903 posts)I'm in a group of 50+ people that has been remote for over a decade.
We're scattered all around the country. Since we're not tied to a specific location, we get to hire best candidate in the country rather than the one candidate who lives within commuting distance.
Everyone in the group is happy, highly qualified, and highly productive. Nobody wastes 5-10 hours per week on a commute, and the company doesn't waste money on office space. Everyone wins.
tenderfoot
(8,437 posts)I worked remotely and got everything done - on time!
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)and am MORE productive. I have a very comfortable, quiet office with almost no interruptions. I eat my lunch at my desk then walk the dog for 30 minutes mid-day which energizes me. No office bullshit/politics to deal with. It's a DREAM.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Rather than relying on what a talking head was saying.
Something I forgot to factor in was how much productivity is lost from socializing at work so I thought it might be true, though I did hedge somewhat.
https://emailanalytics.com/15-working-from-home-productivity-statistics/#:~:text=Working%20from%20home%20leads%20to%20a%2013%20percent,16%2C000%20employees%20over%20the%20course%20of%20several%20months.
Bucky
(54,014 posts)From an employer's point of view. As a supervisor, I can track which of my team members are getting the work done and the quality of it. We lose something in collaborative thinking, because that gossip around the water cooler time is also time spent building working relationships that are important to group problem solving skills.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I suspect there aren't nearly as many workers who can work remotely full time. The flip side is that there are a tremendous number of people who need to be at a common site for far less than 40 - 50 hours a week. The biggest impact may be that the most productive workers will actually be recognized, instead of those who merely "put in the hours".
Pinback
(12,155 posts)More childcare expenses, several hours a week driving to work and back (not only the time, but the cost of fuel and wear & tear on a vehicle), need to own "presentable" clothes, more meals out. Then there are the psychological costs: being more closely monitored throughout the day, butts in seats on a rigid schedule, forced socialization with people you don't particularly like, risk of sexual harassment, the oppressive grind of a long rush-hour commute, and being miles away from home and family in case of emergency.
During my wage-serf days, I was finally able to work mostly from home in the final years, after decades of dragging my keister into an office five days a week. It made a huge difference in my quality of life, and in my productivity. I frequently worked extra hours, but at times was able to have shorter or interrupted work days without risk to deadlines. It all balanced out, and my boss was totally cool with the arrangement, because I could always be counted on to get the job done.
Of course, none of this mattered to upper management at The Very Big Corporation of America. They wanted us in the office because they didn't trust us to get things done -- until we consistently proved them wrong. They had this ridiculous fantasy that there would be "synergistic" conversations in the hallway or around the water cooler -- which was idiotic since most of us in IT regularly worked with people in remote locations around the country and across the world. Plus, except for the workaholics and shameless climbers, we never talked about work-related matters when chatting casually. The only reason we came in to the office was to have lunch with our chums, who all worked on different projects and teams.
ZZenith
(4,122 posts)Much better benefits.
Pinback
(12,155 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)I've also only worked for a large corporation briefly a few times. It seems to me they are all about pushing a corporate culture and it's more difficult for them to to that with remote workers. They also like to give away "perks" as a reward for you working harder that cost them nothing. Like a reserved parking spot for the employee of the month or some other bullshit like that.
I would prefer to have my car parked in my own driveway.
ProfessorGAC
(65,057 posts)If I could have done it all from home, I would have.
Would have saved myself a thousand flights & associated nights in a hotel.
But, not really possible, especially 20 or 30 years ago. Pulling many megabytes of process data for a dozen different parameters before the broadband days? Forget it.
Developing a whole new way of running a process, then getting buy in from operators, overseas, who have done it their way fairly successfully. While 5,000 miles away? Good luck!
And, of course all of my lab work required me being there. Company couldn't afford to build several hundred legal labs.
That's if zoning boards even began to consider allowing that in residential areas! LOL!
But, I knew people in production planning, logistics, or transport that would be most effective & efficient without ever leaving the house. Same with most accountants & record keeping stuff.
Even with the tech of today, I couldn't, although my travel might get cut by 2/3rds. I'd have taken that!
OnDoutside
(19,957 posts)the work remotely. Then in early 2019, I got a permanent job for an American Pharma company, doing 95% of the work from home, and of course for the last year it has been 100%. It has been utterly fantastic for me. I can drop and collect my teenage son from school, and if I need to run errands or take the dog for a walk during the day, I can do so. In return I am very flexible for my employer, and we do our meetings using Microsoft Teams. I can take the dog for a walk and connect into meetings using Teams on the work iphone. All the years contracting when i used to frequently get up at 4am for a flight to Amsterdam or wherever, are a thing of the past thankfully.
CousinIT
(9,245 posts)Depends on the person's role mostly. I'll be hybrid for a while (maybe 3x per week onsite), and may cut back on days I go in after things settle to onsite 2x per week.
Working at home is a Godsend to me. If I need to deal with something personal in the middle of the day it's fine - I end up working later into the evening to make up the time and get things done. But I'm very self-motivated. If I need to go in for an emergency or check on something I do so.
Role: IT systems (backend, not frontline support - which is why I can get away with not being onsite every day)
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)Mostly because of an extremely toxic coworker. Another one talks loudly on the phone all day. I dont think I could tolerate that nonsense after working from home for a year now.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)I would expect a lot of companies might let their current leases expire without renewing.
It could become difficult for large office buildings to fill up all their locations soon.
CousinIT
(9,245 posts)dobleremolque
(492 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)real estate in Boston (we have a huge footprint) in order to reduce costs, and if they do they would relocate many people.
However now they are talking about bringing people back to the very same office and opening up new floors to accommodate permanent desks, when the problem could easily be solved by just letting people wfh unless they have to be in the office for a specific reason and having drop in desk space.
This honestly does seem like nothing more than a control issue on the part of management. Nothing will ever convince me otherwise. I do not want to work in the office any more than 3 days per week, and preferably only two. It's just pointless and it will definitely make me less productive and more resentful.
For my job, it just isn't necessary. I could go in for certain meetings, but not for the entire day, especially if we have to wear masks all day. Nothing would be more unpleasant than having to sit inside with a mask on for the duration of the work day when you are just working at your desk.
MurrayDelph
(5,299 posts)but pre-Pandemic would come down to L.A. several times a year.
Last month, a buddy of mine, who had just retired from his junior-executive post at a multimedia corporation, announced he also was moving out of California, but in a different direction, at the end of the month. Since just before the world closed down fifteen months earlier we had started a project we both had to be in town for, I came down to L.A. to complete it.
For old-time's sake, we had lunch at the restaurant across the street from his old office (when I'd come to town, we'd have lunch there so he wouldn't be good too long). I asked if he had, or was going to, pop his head into his old office to say hello. He said the whole company had vacated the building.
The political party of me took pleasure in the realization that, by ignoring Covid, Trump had permanently destroyed the commercial real estate component of his holdings.
*(in actual practice, I was laid off and after some really-bad interviews decided I was done)
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)She works for a video game company in Los Angeles.
The CEO moved to Colorado permanently and they plan to continue doing everything remotely from now on.
Trump also gave a big boost to the online dating industry.
My son has met online and dated two women during Covid.
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Elessar Zappa
(13,998 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Like people on diets or who have quit smoking, companies can and often do slip back into bad habits.
BlueNProud
(1,048 posts)but it will up being bullshit and well be back to grinding it out in the office everyday.
Blasphemer
(3,261 posts)Which means those with the most elite credentials or most extensive and useful work experience will get to WFH while most others will not. The in-office hierarchy game played on a different field.
Yavin4
(35,441 posts)not the same location as your office. For example, jobs will offer remote work and pay you based on a national average cost of living, not the local one. So, if you want to live in the Bay Area, CA, you will be paid the national average salary for your position, not the Bay Area average.
erronis
(15,286 posts)I've worked in the Bay Area, Boston, Wash DC, overseas. I frequently worked from home or from my suitcase. I got paid what they needed to to keep me hired.
Pinback
(12,155 posts)If people can buy a nice house for half the price and their kids can go to good school, maybe they figure they can stand living for a few years in a place with only one Starbucks every ten square miles.
bucolic_frolic
(43,173 posts)They didn't believe Al Gore. Maybe they'll believe when they find workers staying home, creating their own multiple home gigs and businesses, and leaving these behemoth companies in droves.
Converting commuting time to productive time juices income and work-life balance.
erronis
(15,286 posts)and not always to the benefit of the worker or the employer.
Negotiate. If you have skill that can now be used across the country/world, let the employers know that.
If your skills are basically occupying a chair in a particular physical location, then I feel for you. Hope you get very well compensated!
Service (face-to-face) work is hard to manage remotely. I'd really like to see a significant wage increase for those that are required to be on premises.
ProfessorGAC
(65,057 posts)...there are even some professional, non-service jobs that could never be done remotely.
Like mine, for the 23 years I worked in my lab. With analytical equipment 60' down the hall.
It would be cool to still do that job without leaving the house, but even today it's not practical nor is it economically feasible.
I might be able to do 20% of what I did from home, and that might be too high.
WarGamer
(12,445 posts)I've lived in SoCal most of my adult life.
And been tethered there for 20+ years because of my employer.
I can imagine living on a Lake somewhere in Montana instead...
MissB
(15,810 posts)I chose 100% remote work. They will get me a computer, monitor and if I want, a desk and chair. Im happy to finish up my career remotely. I do a lot of field work in the summer anyway so I was not much in the office for a couple of months a year. Plus, pre-pandemic I had a one day a week telecommute schedule.
I will miss the early morning discussions with my fellow wage slaves, but none of them are planning on working in the office again.
Im fortunate to have a job and an employer that gives me that flexibility. Our pay is negotiated by a union so Im not worried about a reduction in pay.
My commute was never bad- 15 to 20 minutes each way. Im happy to not have the commute, or the $105/month parking fee. Dh and I eat lunch together every day. Leftovers or the occasional lunch out. Its all quite wonderful.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)I can do my job from home, but I can do it with the resources on-site better.
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)Probably 4 is best with Friday remote do I can take my family somewhere for three days as I work on Friday.
My job requires a lot of collaboration and a lot of institutional knowledge that is much slower to acquire not sitting right next to my team. There is a very steep learning curve. We do a lot of zoom calls and slack, but there is no question I would know much more of my companys infrastructure if I were with my colleagues in the office. Also relationship building is much harder to do remotely and this is critical for long term success and building your brand. I started this job in November and I have not yet met my teammates in person actually!! In October I expect to finally meet some, and as of now, nobody is required to return until January when we expect a hybrid model of some kind to be implemented.
PaulnFortWorth
(59 posts)Salaries should be based on productivity for the company in relation to expenses incurred. Offices are not cheap. A/C, lighting, internet, bathrooms, supplies and heating are necessary expenses necessary for employees.
If an employee can be just as productive coming to work only eight days a month this would save the employer money. If the employer/manager has no idea how productive their employee is then they shouldn't be overseeing employees.
Bottom line: the cost of employees will decrease for the more COMPETENT companies with a forward thinking CEO. The closed minded owners/employers will lose market share due to diminishing profitability. According to the Best Practice Institute, 17% are already looking forward. This change is beneficial for America with less wear and tear on roads, less "rush hour" traffic, fewer accidents and employees who can work "odd" hours and be just as productive. For employees, less time getting ready for work as well as less time traveling is also a benefit.
New question during an interview: Can you focus on working at home without having to come into the office every day?
Rebl2
(13,516 posts)has worked from home since March 2020. She recently got her second vaccine and I asked her would she be going back to the actual building to work and she said nope. Not until after Labor Day if at all, except occasionally. She works for an engineering firm and I have noticed over the years they are super safety conscious. They have offices in a few states and recently asked their employees what they would prefer for themselves. They gave them options and she said she would be willing to go back, but is also open to working at home a few days a week. She has a long (busy)drive to get to work so I understand why she would want to work at home most of the time.
nuxvomica
(12,426 posts)Even subletting office space in the two-story standalone building I used to work in. Of course, most of the employees work digitally anyway and the pandemic has allowed the company to shake out all the corollary issues with remote working.
paleotn
(17,920 posts)I figured the stigma was gone forever...work from home = slacking. It doesn't. I work more now than I did in the office, but I don't mind it a bit. My mind is clearer and I get more done. Many of my colleagues are scattered around the country anyway, so electronic communication was the norm. We're just not in our offices doing electronic communication.
4 weeks after the non-essentials were kicked out, Ops started sizing up real estate. Seems we all had the same thought at the same time. Office space is wasted space. We can use the space for value added activities with just minor renovation. No expense of additional footprint needed and we needed additional footprint pre-covid. We've been given the option of work from home, hybrid (which most have chosen) or back to normal office work. But don't expect traditional "department real estate" anymore. It's open seating. Guess I'm lucky our management has more foresight than 83% of CEOs.
fierywoman
(7,684 posts)paleotn
(17,920 posts)nattyice
(331 posts)I need the social interactions. Its not the same talking to people over Skype. The confinement of my house is too much. Also, people expect your Skype bubble to be green at all times, or red to indicate that youre in a meeting. I had more freedom in the office.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)I often worked alone at work in the "office" - the beef I have is, if all I had to work on was one freaking laptop, THAT would be a breeze. But I use three laptops and a desktop plus extra monitors.....it was way easier to do this at work, minus a couple of cats. Yes indeed.
cos dem
(903 posts)Our group transitions pretty smoothly to working remotely in 2020. We've been doing great work over the last 15 months. I thought, well I miss the face-to-face interaction, but this WFH thing might not be so bad.
As the end started to appear a few months ago, the company started inquiring about whether people wanted to continue from home, or come back into the office. I though I would do approx 50/50. Seemed like a good balance.
Lately, after I and my team got our vaccines, we started meeting in the office more. Over the last few weeks, we've had an increasing number of in-person interactions, and I have to say it's been very rewarding. I knew it would be, but I think I even surprised myself with how much it means to me. Working through issues over Zoom is just not the same as being able to white-board them. I'm not typically a "feelings" person, but I have a deep-seated emotional feeling of satisfaction. I'm sure it has something to do with some fundamental need for social interaction that can only really be met by being in person.
I hear some talk about toxic work environment or other factors, and I could see how that could influence decisions. I'm lucky in that the team I work with is, to a person, exceptional, personable, and smart. I enjoy working with every single one of them. Some of the team will be mostly remote, and we're a tight enough team that I think we'll continue making that work. But for those of us in the office, I will value that time more than I used to.
My company's attitude may also have an impact. They have taken the safety issue very seriously (and not all companies in my area did so), even though some of their activities would probably qualify as "theater". But they really did present the office/home as a worker option. Some jobs need to be done from the office, but many could be either. There is a real-estate issue, in that we will almost certainly need to expand at some point, but I think they way they approached it was really worker-focused.
ShazzieB
(16,412 posts)The company my daughter works for was virtually forced to let their employees work from home by a mandate from the governor's office in March 2020. Now that they've been doing it for over a year, they don't seem to be in any hurry at all to bring people back to the office. I find it amusing, after they had to be practically dragged kicking and screaming into allowing remote work at all.
She likes her job a lot better this way, and has said she will cheerfully work at home full time for as long as they let her!
Pharlo
(1,816 posts)I had to be 'at site' throughout the entire pandemic. I am direct labor. My efforts put out the product that pay for indirect labor (work from home) colleagues. We had periods throughout the pandemic where indirect labor employees were told point blank to work from home. It was a temporary situation and everyone dealt with it because it was a concerted effort to avoid spreading a disease. During this time, I am certain some of those working from home came to the same conclusion many here seem to have arrived at - "I have just spent a year working from home and I am more productive than I was at the office".
What they do not realize is that well things were going along swimmingly for them, at work, it was making the lives of the direct labor employees miserable. Many of these 'work remotely' positions were support for the manufacturing personnel and by not having them onsite an issue that could have been resolved within a couple of hours took considerably longer to fix - sometimes up to a day or two if it was deemed a 'non critical' issue by onsite management. Meanwhile, the people on the floor had to work around/through the issue.
So, sometimes, when mgmt states that they need people to work onsite, it may NOT be a control issue, it may actually be a productivity issue. Particularly when they are struggling to get parts out the door.
I can see a hybrid remote, as long as someone is always onsite to deal with issues which may arise that affect getting product out the door, but maybe, just maybe, it's not ALWAYS a company control issue.
Wingus Dingus
(8,054 posts)after quitting my last one a few years ago. That said, I never had a job that could be done from home. But I can't see how a business runs effectively without people being together at least part of the time. Case in point, we had trouble with our son's health insurance, he was aging out of our health care plan and needed his own through work, but there was going to be a gap in coverage, and we had to call the insurance company several times to try to get him an extension and documents.
Every time we called, the customer service people told us they were "working from home" and "couldn't reach a supervisor to get an OK" or "the person who usually does this, we will have to email her"--it was completely stupid. They stopped being a functional organization because apparently everyone was setting their own hours and no one could just look across cubicles or a hallway and ask each other questions or find out information. It was like fucking phone tag. I laugh when all of these people say they're "More productive!" Maybe people get their computer or phone work done, or whatever the fuck it is people do for a living, but the company or organization itself can't possibly be as efficient when it's so decentralized. Everyone wants to stay home, but it's really not better for businesses, and nobody wants to admit it.
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JanMichael
(24,890 posts)...in the employee retainment (is this a word?), and recruitment, race they had better have a plan for 1 or 2 or 3 remote workday options for people in positions where that is feasible. Or they will lose to those that do offer remote/hybrid options; which I have heard is growing where I am. 1 or 2 day/week hybrids are being discussed just about everywhere.
That is the general feeling at the organization that I work at. Plus we spent a butt load of $$ on remote tech capabilities. It would be a waste to ditch those tools.
Plus if management doesn't know how to determine non-office productivity for specific positions (especially office type work like applicant processing, returning calls, writing memos, etcetera) they suck. Took us a few months in 2020 to do that but we know now. I discovered that 1 or 2 days at home a week are optimal for what I do. 3 is pushing it and 4 starts a downward trend. 5 days remote and I'd have to find another job.
The big plus to allowing 1-3 days at home is that people can better manage their personal life and the location of where they live widens dramatically.
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Somehow I doubt that the neighbours would have approved of a commercial airliner taxiing down the street to my house...
ecstatic
(32,705 posts)I get a lot more done at home than I would at the office because there's no socializing with coworkers. There are other pros and cons, of course.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,344 posts)... I think the golf courses were more crowded during the week last year and this spring than in prior years. I'm guessing there is a lot of "multi-tasking" going on.
Measuring productivity was always a tough job, especially with jobs that require creativity.
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)It's hard enough trying to get through to a student when I have clues from facial expressions, body-language, tone-of-voice, reactions of and to other students, posture, and can see what they write on their paper or the board at my request