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applegrove

(118,778 posts)
Sun May 23, 2021, 08:24 PM May 2021

Republican Obstruction Backfires As Pelosi Might Investigate I/6 Attack Until 2024

BY JASON EASLEY at Politicus USA

Republican Obstruction Backfires As Pelosi Might Investigate I/6 Attack Until 2024

https://www.politicususa.com/2021/05/23/republican-obstruction-backfires-as-pelosi-might-investigate-i-6-attack-until-2024.html

"SNIP.....

Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) warned Republicans that by blocking the commission they may make the 1/6 investigation last until 2024.

......

Kinzinger said on Fox News Sunday, “My party to this point has said things like it was hugs and kisses. It was Antifa and BLM. It was anything, but what it was, a Trump-inspired insurrection on the Capitol and people deserve to hear the truth, and I think now if this thing fails, Nancy Pelosi will create a select committee and this thing could run until 2024.”

The legislation that Senate Republicans are rejecting is a bipartisan commission with power equally divided Democrats and Republicans. The commission would be made of non-elected officials who are not government employees.

.....SNIP"

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Republican Obstruction Backfires As Pelosi Might Investigate I/6 Attack Until 2024 (Original Post) applegrove May 2021 OP
First things first. Mr.Bill May 2021 #1
Agreed leftieNanner May 2021 #2
Yes. She should set the committee up now and run it for 4 years. applegrove May 2021 #3
That'll only work if we retain control in 2022 Polybius May 2021 #7
The committee should be set up to keep the insurrection and... brush May 2021 #13
Without HR1, Pelosi won't be speaker after 2022. Just sayin. Nt Fiendish Thingy May 2021 #4
Jason ClickBait Easley should know better... WarGamer May 2021 #6
Unless x ... we lose. speak easy May 2021 #11
No one is suggesting anyone give up, just realize the stakes Fiendish Thingy May 2021 #17
Dems WILL lose their majorities for a DECADE or MORE speak easy May 2021 #18
Suit yourself- just know that many in Dem leadership ARE using apocalyptic language Fiendish Thingy May 2021 #20
Dancing on the edge of a volcano speak easy May 2021 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author AZLD4Candidate May 2021 #5
Investigate 1/6 using the select committee 30 times like the GOP did Benghazi! sarcasmo May 2021 #8
They keep aiming at their feet, and the Democrats keep spoiling the shot. BobTheSubgenius May 2021 #9
republican's alway's shoot themselves in the foot !! monkeyman1 May 2021 #10
Whatever gets the accountability out there, hadEnuf May 2021 #12
The GQP is winning, gab13by13 May 2021 #14
How can he bring it to a vote if it is filibustered? SoonerPride May 2021 #19
Part of their plan is to dismiss anything a committee created by Pelosi finds is to call it biased andym May 2021 #15
Works for me BGBD May 2021 #16

leftieNanner

(15,149 posts)
2. Agreed
Sun May 23, 2021, 08:35 PM
May 2021

But Speaker Pelosi could set up the Select Committee before 2022. And it could help us with the midterms.

brush

(53,851 posts)
13. The committee should be set up to keep the insurrection and...
Sun May 23, 2021, 10:52 PM
May 2021

the republicans who inspired it in the news so we win in '22. That's the point, and on to '24 is gravy.

speak easy

(9,302 posts)
11. Unless x ... we lose.
Sun May 23, 2021, 10:17 PM
May 2021

Sorry, can't afford that kind of talk. 'But they did not give up' - Elizabeth Warren

Just sayin

Fiendish Thingy

(15,656 posts)
17. No one is suggesting anyone give up, just realize the stakes
Mon May 24, 2021, 10:45 AM
May 2021

Warren, along with Schiff, Klobuchar, Merkley and many other Dems have publicly stated that without passing HR1, Dems will lose their majorities for a decade or more.

The Jim Crow 2.0 laws now being passed by states are setting the legal framework to install the Republican nominee in 2024, regardless of the actual will of the voters.

The phony “fraudits” being conducted in AZ, and soon in GA, NH, WI and elsewhere are for the purpose not to relitigate the 2020 election, but to set the psychological atmosphere of general mistrust for 2024.

If you keep framing the problem in terms of winning elections in 2022, you are missing the point; the correct framing is that the crucial fight is over passing HR1, and the critical time is NOW, in the streets if necessary, especially in WV and AZ.

Too many are willing to give up on HR1, and assume Manchin and Sinema can never be persuaded; that is a fatal assumption on which the survival of American democracy hinges.

speak easy

(9,302 posts)
18. Dems WILL lose their majorities for a DECADE or MORE
Mon May 24, 2021, 03:53 PM
May 2021

Sorry, but that kind of statement IS a hop, skip and a jump away from DEFEATISM.

I agree - I agree with all that you have said about the assault on democracy that is going on, but I am not gong to participate in apocalyptic language to press home a political imperative.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,656 posts)
20. Suit yourself- just know that many in Dem leadership ARE using apocalyptic language
Mon May 24, 2021, 04:06 PM
May 2021

And not because they enjoy hyperbole, but because they know the stakes and want to jar the public out of exhaustion, apathy and complacency. Schiff, Klobuchar, Merkley, Schumer and others have all used this language.

Framing voting rights, and the democracy-hesitant Dem senators who refuse to support it, as an issue, like any other, that can simply be handled at the ballot box when the time comes is a perspective that will likely signal the end of American democracy.

I’m not suggesting that you are framing the issue this way, but many are.

I hope you would agree that the time to fight is NOW, by direct voter action to persuade the democracy-hesitant Dem senators to pass HR1.

speak easy

(9,302 posts)
21. Dancing on the edge of a volcano
Mon May 24, 2021, 07:02 PM
May 2021

There was a feeling during the Weimar Republic that it could not last; something was coming but they did not know what. It was only towards the end that Hitler and his clowns in the NSDAP came clearly into view.

It is hard to shake off the vibe that we are living in the last days of the Republic. So of course 'the time to fight is NOW'. Now before it's too late, whenever that may be. I am pessimistic, but 'its over unless' it does not help me personally.

I think of 2000, when more phone calls, more door knocks, more activism in the last week could have made the difference in Florida - and how different everything could have been if Gore was confirmed as president.

Will HR1/S1 be passed? I don't know. There are mechanisms to get it through. But I can't imagine telling Manchin he better vote for it or the Republic is over, is the most effective strategy.

Anyway, I respect those who take an opposite view. Strident outrage has a place in a situation like this.

Response to applegrove (Original post)

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
9. They keep aiming at their feet, and the Democrats keep spoiling the shot.
Sun May 23, 2021, 10:01 PM
May 2021

Let them shoot their own feet off, godammit!

gab13by13

(21,402 posts)
14. The GQP is winning,
Sun May 23, 2021, 10:53 PM
May 2021

One of its main strategies is to delay. Democrats worked over 4 months giving the GQP everything it asked for in the commission. It sure looks like those 4 months were just delay tactics. I suggest Senator Schumer bring the House commission agreement to a vote, and do it quickly so that Speaker Pelosi can move on with the select committees.

andym

(5,445 posts)
15. Part of their plan is to dismiss anything a committee created by Pelosi finds is to call it biased
Sun May 23, 2021, 11:02 PM
May 2021

after all-- when the GOP creates such committees they are indeed biased, so their followers surely will believe the same. Moreover, can Hawley, Cruz and McCarthy really be compelled to testify?

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
16. Works for me
Sun May 23, 2021, 11:51 PM
May 2021

Every swing district Republican can become the focus of the investigation and we can have wall-to-wall Benghazi style hearings for them all. I'm sure some freshman Republican who won their district by a point is going to be fine with having MTG and their names super glued together in the news for the next year and a half.

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