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garybeck

(9,942 posts)
Tue May 25, 2021, 12:09 AM May 2021

Why is DOJ blocking release of Barr memo?

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Biden's DOJ moves to block release of memo on why Trump was not prosecuted for obstruction of justice

The Department of Justice under Attorney General Merrick Garland moved on Monday to block the release of a secret memo that then-AG William Barr reportedly relied up in deciding against prosecuting Donald Trump for obstruction of justice.

https://www.rawstory.com/biden-doj-trump-secret-memo/

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Why is DOJ blocking release of Barr memo? (Original Post) garybeck May 2021 OP
Errrr Treason? DanieRains May 2021 #1
Because they care more about their institution than radical transparency. RockRaven May 2021 #2
I couldn't live if I thought that was true. Hamlette May 2021 #3
I Believe There Is Little To Nothing We Can Do SoCalDavidS May 2021 #6
My sister lived for years in Denmark and then in Switzerland. My parents lived for years in Scotland Hamlette May 2021 #10
I'm Curious What She Felt Denmark Was Lacking SoCalDavidS May 2021 #13
it is a different culture. It is hard to get used to. Hamlette May 2021 #14
I've Read Exactly Same Thing About Denmark SoCalDavidS May 2021 #15
The winters are pretty harsh too. Hamlette May 2021 #16
Did you really have to compare that poster to Susan Sarnadon? Can't you disagree without Scrivener7 May 2021 #7
Seriously? Susan Sarandon has nothing to do with this...she helped both Bush and Trump Demsrule86 May 2021 #8
"Radical Transparency" msfiddlestix May 2021 #9
Here is a partial explanation LetMyPeopleVote May 2021 #4
Looks like they're making a deliberative process privilege argument. Calista241 May 2021 #5
My theory is wanting not to set a precedent. There seems to be... LAS14 May 2021 #11
This StarfishSaver May 2021 #17
Probably what'll happen is we'll see a less-redacted version of the memo. backscatter712 May 2021 #12
It would lead to nothing significant anyway. McGahn is called to testify next week... Justice matters. May 2021 #18
They may be developing a case against barr scarytomcat May 2021 #19
I'm not buying all the candy-coating. I think it's bullshit. Goodheart May 2021 #20

RockRaven

(14,974 posts)
2. Because they care more about their institution than radical transparency.
Tue May 25, 2021, 12:25 AM
May 2021

Garland isn't a saint and he isn't magic pixie dust. Him being confirmed as AG won't fix everything wrong with what is fundamentally a right-wing authoritarian institution.

Institutions a) have inertia and b) prioritize self-preservation.

The DOJ will almost always justify/defend whatever corrupt and immoral things they have previously done -- even when they change figureheads. It is part of the game the elites run on the non-elites -- they insist they have different values and standards but they rarely apply them to their predecessors, and expect the same "courtesy" from their successors in turn.

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
3. I couldn't live if I thought that was true.
Tue May 25, 2021, 12:29 AM
May 2021

you are saying there is nothing we can do. Susan Sarandon's position.

I believe there are people who think like I do in positions of power and who will do the right thing. since we don't know why he did it, we should wait for an explanation from someone who knows.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
6. I Believe There Is Little To Nothing We Can Do
Tue May 25, 2021, 12:43 AM
May 2021

I see it everyday. It's why I don't like this country, and wish someday to have the courage to move elsewhere.

When questioned about where, I usually say, Denmark.

Now I don't think Denmark is necessarily "perfect." But I just am getting so discouraged and depressed every day that passes and I see the way this country and many of it's citizens behave. The negatives outweigh the positives. Which is sad, because I do like the positives.

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
10. My sister lived for years in Denmark and then in Switzerland. My parents lived for years in Scotland
Wed May 26, 2021, 05:23 PM
May 2021

They could have easily stayed. They all came back. Happily. And they don't come more liberal in my family.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
13. I'm Curious What She Felt Denmark Was Lacking
Wed May 26, 2021, 06:45 PM
May 2021

Or did she just miss America?

Denmark consistently polls #1 or #2 worldwide in terms of countries where people say they are happiest. America is something like 18th.

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
14. it is a different culture. It is hard to get used to.
Wed May 26, 2021, 11:53 PM
May 2021

I don't think she ever felt she "belonged". There are strange cultural oddities (to our way of thinking) that she kept running up against. She didn't speak the language although she tired. It didn't matter that much because most people speak English but it still made her a bit of an outsider.

If you are planning on moving there, read The Year of Living Danishly. I was younger when she lived in Denmark (early 20s) and don't remember her specific complaints as well as I remember her years in Switzerland and my parents' years in Scotland. On balance, I would say cultural differences.

In the Danishly book, I wondered how much of the happiness score is because the Danish love and trust their government, country and fellow citizens. It is a country of only 5.5 million people which is tiny. If you thought your government was trying to do its best to look out for you, it would make a difference. Having worked in government for 30 years and witnessing some great public servants, I am always dismayed when people think government workers are lazy or out to get them.

There is lots wrong with this country, and I too have contemplated leaving. Just not there yet, unless I can figure out a way to take my grandbabies with me.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
15. I've Read Exactly Same Thing About Denmark
Thu May 27, 2021, 12:16 AM
May 2021

The feeling of being an outsider can't be a comfortable feeling.

It's unfortunate that lately, I feel that way here in America, where I actually have been my whole life.

And obviously my happiness score is through the floor here. I certainly don't love nor trust a large segment of my government, and I despise many of my fellow citizens and the numerous things my country does to it's citizens and around the world, on a daily basis.

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
16. The winters are pretty harsh too.
Thu May 27, 2021, 01:21 AM
May 2021

I've dreamed of Netherland in the Summer and Southern Italy in the winter.

I do have a friend who retired to the Black Forest in Germany 3 years ago. So far I think he's enjoying it. I'm just not much of a Germany fan.

Again. I'm not going without my kid and grandkids. Unless we go full Handmaid's Tale.

Scrivener7

(50,956 posts)
7. Did you really have to compare that poster to Susan Sarnadon? Can't you disagree without
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:08 AM
May 2021

going there?

How juvenile.

Demsrule86

(68,600 posts)
8. Seriously? Susan Sarandon has nothing to do with this...she helped both Bush and Trump
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:58 AM
May 2021

to win elections...she is dead to me. The truth is we don't know why. I trust Biden and his team.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
9. "Radical Transparency"
Tue May 25, 2021, 08:32 AM
May 2021

That just about says it all. Transparency in our government institutions, particularly the Justice Department, seems to me, required to bend over backwards towards transparency. But that's just little ole' radical me.

This smells of corrupt purposes, and that's exactly what is needed to be eliminated within the Justice Department

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
5. Looks like they're making a deliberative process privilege argument.
Tue May 25, 2021, 12:39 AM
May 2021

They’ve released the first portion which contains most of the info.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
11. My theory is wanting not to set a precedent. There seems to be...
Wed May 26, 2021, 05:25 PM
May 2021

... a reasonable argument that professionals in the justice department can speak their minds without fear of future publication. Sure, I wish I knew what idiot Barr said. But I also want the good people to feel comfortable speaking their minds in private.

Justice matters.

(6,935 posts)
18. It would lead to nothing significant anyway. McGahn is called to testify next week...
Thu May 27, 2021, 02:03 AM
May 2021

Don McGahn is supposed to testify under oath to the House Judiciary Committee next week about the OOJs allegations in the Mueller Report. Behind closed doors but the transcript of it will be made public shortly after.

Now that *could* lead to something significant... or not.

Goodheart

(5,334 posts)
20. I'm not buying all the candy-coating. I think it's bullshit.
Thu May 27, 2021, 06:50 AM
May 2021

And I'm immensely disappointed in Mr. Garland.

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