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Chuck Schumer Is About To Make It Hurt For Mitch McConnell By Forcing GOP To Vote On 1/6 Commission (Original Post) 634-5789 May 2021 OP
I didn't hear a date. gab13by13 May 2021 #1
I have to tell you, I personally think this is a waste of time. The GOP won't cooperate with Demsrule86 May 2021 #2
I agree, we have had hearing after hearing and nothing ever comes of it Beachnutt May 2021 #5
They did that while the Former Guy was in office Wednesdays May 2021 #27
also have had a good number of "make then stand stopdiggin May 2021 #48
They can and will be arrested for defying the law Champp May 2021 #11
Exactly DENVERPOPS May 2021 #30
On the other hand, absent the spectacle of two impeachments KPN May 2021 #47
There was only one impeachment when Biden beat Trump... brooklynite May 2021 #54
Seems to me we should go ahead without the GOP. On EVERYTHING. calimary May 2021 #57
They didn't find trump guilty of incitement ! Why would Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #9
Get the republiQons on THE RECORD Champp May 2021 #24
Yes... Get that. And it will be on record. But... They Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #38
we've done a number of "on the record" votes -(nt)- stopdiggin May 2021 #49
Looks like Thursday Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2021 #45
Never ever a waste of time . . . ... Lovie777 May 2021 #3
I agree! We need to stop talking and just do it! housecat May 2021 #39
I must have missed something along the way. It happened on January 6th Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #52
I seem to be missing something too. housecat May 2021 #53
While I like the idea it will make zero difference to Sherman A1 May 2021 #4
Might have liked the idea if it happened close to Jan 21 Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #8
Republican Representatives were involved. greymattermom May 2021 #18
Zero difference? Not exactly (not ALL repugs' voters). Justice matters. May 2021 #31
But don't forget - there are more of US and OUR voters. calimary May 2021 #51
Sadly, a good chunk of Americans think the big lie is a big fact. Without a magic pill Vinca May 2021 #6
I think the point he wants to make is to show who is for the commission... secondwind May 2021 #7
52 for 48 against. Boom Laura PourMeADrink May 2021 #12
It will get filibustered though, so there will not be a vote. berni_mccoy May 2021 #14
The cloture vote will come out just like the final vote StarfishSaver May 2021 #22
I dont think it wil hurt the gop if they vote against it. Mr. Sparkle May 2021 #10
Precisely Sherman A1 May 2021 #15
I wish he would go a step further and say spooky3 May 2021 #13
When will people realize republicans have no shame? totalitarians have no shame Escurumbele May 2021 #16
Yes but when drump is gone they will drown in their bullshit housecat May 2021 #40
Riddle me this... essaynnc May 2021 #17
That is what I see. greymattermom May 2021 #19
They probably think most people will not really pay attention to a select committee findings. Justice matters. May 2021 #32
Why do you think they aren't stupid? SoonerPride May 2021 #34
They are stoopid. Plenty of criminals are stoopid. housecat May 2021 #41
I agree with Keith Olbermann. Forget the useless commission. Go straight for special prosecutor. niyad May 2021 #20
Yes. That is the only thing that will be effective wnylib May 2021 #25
If the Repugs vote down the commission Wednesdays May 2021 #28
From your lips. . . niyad May 2021 #29
The MESSAGE is my fellow DUers ProudMNDemocrat May 2021 #21
Lets not forget the vast majority of Americans don't watch the news or care about this. Jon King May 2021 #23
Oh my...forcing a vote... Snackshack May 2021 #26
Yeap. Lucie and the football housecat May 2021 #44
Framing, right? summer_in_TX May 2021 #33
Fk some toothless commission; appoint a special prosecutor. OMGWTF May 2021 #35
Meanwhile GB_RN May 2021 #36
Fuck Manchin housecat May 2021 #43
I Tend To Agree GB_RN May 2021 #46
It won't make any difference... ihaveaquestion May 2021 #37
Why doesn't DOJ investigate? Why Congress? housecat May 2021 #42
The DOJ doesn't investigate stuff like that. Calista241 May 2021 #56
If they look at it as criminal acts regardless of party? housecat May 2021 #58
They're already doing it with these arrests and prosecutions of people on the capital. Calista241 May 2021 #59
Put up, shut up time? czarjak May 2021 #50
I think enough Repubs will vote for the commission that it'll pass. Calista241 May 2021 #55

gab13by13

(21,362 posts)
1. I didn't hear a date.
Tue May 25, 2021, 06:50 AM
May 2021

Why will it make McConnell hurt? Maybe 2 people from the GQP will vote for the commission.

Time's a wasting, the vote should have happened right after the House vote so that Speaker Pelosi can proceed with the investigation with a select committee.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
2. I have to tell you, I personally think this is a waste of time. The GOP won't cooperate with
Tue May 25, 2021, 06:52 AM
May 2021

subpoenas and we would be better off to let Justice handle it.

Beachnutt

(7,326 posts)
5. I agree, we have had hearing after hearing and nothing ever comes of it
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:12 AM
May 2021

the rethugs use subpoena paper for toilet paper, and lie like hell and nobody does a damn thing about it.

Wednesdays

(17,383 posts)
27. They did that while the Former Guy was in office
Tue May 25, 2021, 11:58 AM
May 2021

Now, there's a new sheriff in town in the Justice Department who won't hesitate to enforce subpoenas!

stopdiggin

(11,320 posts)
48. also have had a good number of "make then stand
Tue May 25, 2021, 10:48 PM
May 2021

behind their vote" moments. And this is the one where a lot of Rs are going to suddenly 'flinch?"

Personally I have nothing against hearings. They serve a purpose. But I have to agree that if you're looking for something with teeth -- and results. Justice is the place.

Champp

(2,114 posts)
11. They can and will be arrested for defying the law
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:37 AM
May 2021

Now that there is no criminal republican AG protecting their lying, treasonous butts.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
47. On the other hand, absent the spectacle of two impeachments
Tue May 25, 2021, 10:10 PM
May 2021

that the Rs neutered, would Biden have so clearly beaten “the predecessor”? I’m not sure. Spectacles sometimes have value, significant value in some cases. With 2022 slightly less than 18 months away, this could very well be one of those “sometimes”. If it were my choice, I’d probably lean that way.

brooklynite

(94,607 posts)
54. There was only one impeachment when Biden beat Trump...
Wed May 26, 2021, 11:42 AM
May 2021

...and I doubt the first Impeachment had any impact at all on the election.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
57. Seems to me we should go ahead without the GOP. On EVERYTHING.
Wed May 26, 2021, 12:22 PM
May 2021

Haven’t they made their strategy MORE than clear - ever since the Obama years? Flat-out 100% NON-cooperation. “NO” to everything. Just because.

Haven’t we learned ANYTHING by now?

With THIS bunch, there simply won’t be ANY way to do business with them. We should go it alone. Get DC statehood DONE. FIRST. TWO MORE Dems in the Senate. Throw in Puerto Rico for good measure. SNEAK it in if we have to. TWO MORE Senators yet again. That gives us a 54-vote majority - with the likelihood that those four new votes will be secure Democratic votes for a nice long time. Time enough to KICK GOP ASS and get the rest of our agenda passed. And not even bothering with the damned republi-CONS OR what they want.

The time to be nice and congenial and “bipartisan” is OVER.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
9. They didn't find trump guilty of incitement ! Why would
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:37 AM
May 2021

they care about voting against another probe?

Unless FBI squeezes something big out of someone who's protecting trump a commission will find little new.

Refocus on free elections, gun control and police brutality.. imho

Champp

(2,114 posts)
24. Get the republiQons on THE RECORD
Tue May 25, 2021, 09:26 AM
May 2021

for voting against America, and for The Big Lie and The Big Coverup.

Their complicit corruption will haunt them the rest of their lives.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
38. Yes... Get that. And it will be on record. But... They
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:41 PM
May 2021

Will just say... We had an impeachment, hearings, etc. And they went on record already saying he wasn't guilty in impeachment.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,045 posts)
45. Looks like Thursday
Tue May 25, 2021, 10:07 PM
May 2021
The earliest the bill will be available for an initial vote is Thursday, absent an agreement from senators to speed things up. The Senate is currently in the middle of an intense debate over legislation aimed at combating China's competitiveness, but Schumer also began to wind down that bill on Tuesday night paving the way for the Senate to move on to the January 6 legislation.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/schumer-tees-up-vote-on-jan-6-commission-bill/ar-AAKnDE4
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
52. I must have missed something along the way. It happened on January 6th
Wed May 26, 2021, 08:55 AM
May 2021

We took power on January 21st. So why didn't this idea get proposed in February? Except for Impeachment II, we always seem to take so long to act. There was genuine outrage after it happened.

housecat

(3,121 posts)
53. I seem to be missing something too.
Wed May 26, 2021, 11:40 AM
May 2021

After Jan 6 how long did it take Dems to realize what happened? Other than arresting individuals, what have we done??

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
8. Might have liked the idea if it happened close to Jan 21
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:32 AM
May 2021

But realistically, we've already had hearings and Honore's probe and Impeachment. What else can be uncovered? The things that matter have been hidden so far:

1. Who was responsible for slowing response/assistance to Capitol Police?

2. Who ordered the bombing of party headquarters?

Answer to both..Former Guy

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
18. Republican Representatives were involved.
Tue May 25, 2021, 08:12 AM
May 2021

And they will be forced to lie under oath. Now that justice is run by Merrick Garland, that may make a difference.

Justice matters.

(6,935 posts)
31. Zero difference? Not exactly (not ALL repugs' voters).
Tue May 25, 2021, 03:25 PM
May 2021
Out of 100 repuglican voters, 47 say drumpf lost (today's poll).

The point is to augment that 47 number up to at least 67 by finding evidence and exposing the truth about the oRange mob$teR's Bigly Liely as widely as possible before the midterms.

calimary

(81,323 posts)
51. But don't forget - there are more of US and OUR voters.
Wed May 26, 2021, 01:50 AM
May 2021

We just have to make sure our voters COME OUT AND VOTE!!!

Even now, we should be figuring out how many different ways there might be - to GET AROUND the new voter suppression laws at the state level.

And lean hard on our senators to pass S-1. Especially that pathetic idiot Joe Manchin. Oh he’s disappointed now because his dear GOP buddies won’t play, after all?

Seriously?

He seriously thought they’d see reason and come around? Exactly which galaxy does he think he lives in?

Good Grief!!!!!


Vinca

(50,279 posts)
6. Sadly, a good chunk of Americans think the big lie is a big fact. Without a magic pill
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:13 AM
May 2021

to fix stupid - or a supermajority in the Senate - this bill most likely won't pass.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
22. The cloture vote will come out just like the final vote
Tue May 25, 2021, 09:22 AM
May 2021

Voting no on whether to allow the measure to be voted on tells the same story, which is the point in this instance.

Mr. Sparkle

(2,935 posts)
10. I dont think it wil hurt the gop if they vote against it.
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:37 AM
May 2021

They have their won fake media bubble where they are been encouraged to vote no. Ironically, they will get more blow back if they vote for the commission.

We need to break or destroy the fake lobbyist fuelled media complex that the right have built, as its the main obstacle to a normal functionally run government. It also brings fascism ever closer to reality, as the right have lost all principles they have ever pretended to care for.

spooky3

(34,460 posts)
13. I wish he would go a step further and say
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:41 AM
May 2021

They will have to show whether they support insurrectionists’ violent actions to overrun the Capitol in an attempt to overturn the legitimate votes of the majority, and for us not to know who was behind the insurrection? Etc.

Escurumbele

(3,396 posts)
16. When will people realize republicans have no shame? totalitarians have no shame
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:47 AM
May 2021

Nothing embarrasses them, absolutely nothing.

Just think about it, if a buffoon like trump, who uses diapers, who spews lies faster than a speeding bullet, who if from a different family would embarrass everyone (Stephen Miller's family is one example), who the entire World recognizes as a clown, a buffoon, and you know all the rest. If republicans feel no shame for kissing the buffoon's dirty diapers, do you really believe any of these will embarrass them?

Think about it, who are the republican supporters?

essaynnc

(801 posts)
17. Riddle me this...
Tue May 25, 2021, 08:01 AM
May 2021

So if the bi partisan commission is defeated in the Senate ,YES, that'll happen, Nancy has made it clear to have in independent investigation, probably composed of mostly democrats, i.e., Bengazi.

So knowing this, why would the Republicans want this instead????? We know they're crazy, but not stoopid!! They have their eyes on the long range plans and goals. How are they gonna counteract this apparent loss?

Perhaps they're depending on voter suppression to carry them through the midterm?

Help me here...

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
19. That is what I see.
Tue May 25, 2021, 08:14 AM
May 2021

Can subpoenas be enforced? Can there be consequences for perjury in testimony to Congress? Videos exist. All of the evidence from phone logs and cameras is out there.

Justice matters.

(6,935 posts)
32. They probably think most people will not really pay attention to a select committee findings.
Tue May 25, 2021, 03:34 PM
May 2021
But they will be wrong on that one (as they're always wrong on everything).

They also think they've got 2022 in the bag with all their voter-suppression bills everywhere.

They will also be wrong on that one too.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
34. Why do you think they aren't stupid?
Tue May 25, 2021, 03:53 PM
May 2021

I see no evidence to the contrary.

Everyone blathers on about how "smart" Ted-"I'm gonna flee an ice storm by going to Cancun and no one will catch me"-Cruz is.

Oh really?

He seems like a moron to me.

Makes easily avoidable gaffes ALL THE TIME and is constantly outfoxed by inanimate objects.

And he's supposed to be a smart one?

Mittens Romney left a dog on top of a car to die and was impressed with the height of trees in Michigan. He's also a dumbfuck.

All elected Rs are equal parts greedy, seditionist, and dumb.

housecat

(3,121 posts)
41. They are stoopid. Plenty of criminals are stoopid.
Tue May 25, 2021, 09:42 PM
May 2021

And if the Democrats let them get away with voter suppression they are stoopid too

wnylib

(21,500 posts)
25. Yes. That is the only thing that will be effective
Tue May 25, 2021, 09:32 AM
May 2021

in getting the truth and holding the guilty accountable.

Wednesdays

(17,383 posts)
28. If the Repugs vote down the commission
Tue May 25, 2021, 12:07 PM
May 2021

(and there's a good chance they will), then I bet special prosecutor will be the next step. I'm predicting majorly damaging things to come out against the pugs just before November 2022.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
21. The MESSAGE is my fellow DUers
Tue May 25, 2021, 09:14 AM
May 2021

The Republicans ARE...at the State and Federal levels.......

1) Anti-American

2) Anti-Democracy

Pound these 2 points in your comments on Social Media every chance you get until you are blue in the face. Get your friends to do the same.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
23. Lets not forget the vast majority of Americans don't watch the news or care about this.
Tue May 25, 2021, 09:24 AM
May 2021

We pay attention to it so it seems like a very big deal. Its easy to lose perspective.

Of course the investigation must happen but lets not think it will change any minds either way. Less than a million people watch Rachel and Lawrence, most people barely pay attention to the news besides a very casual glance.

So in the end its about governing well and making a majority of voters feel their futures and their kid's futures are brighter under Dems than Repugs.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
26. Oh my...forcing a vote...
Tue May 25, 2021, 09:32 AM
May 2021

Why do Dems continue to act out this play with the GOP...are they really that afraid of being the majority and making a decision along party lines? The GOP continues to string this issue out by dropping crumbs of potential bipartisanship, Romney being the latest crumb to drop. Every day the GOP delay’s this is a win for them. The Dems should have went with a Select Committee months ago or better yet (as has been mention) straight to a Special Prosecutor.


summer_in_TX

(2,739 posts)
33. Framing, right?
Tue May 25, 2021, 03:44 PM
May 2021

Helps our messaging for Dems, independents, and any persuadable Rs.

To me, that’s a useful thing.

GB_RN

(2,356 posts)
46. I Tend To Agree
Tue May 25, 2021, 10:07 PM
May 2021

But be careful. I had a post removed for being “disparaging” of him for much less than what you just said.

ihaveaquestion

(2,547 posts)
37. It won't make any difference...
Tue May 25, 2021, 07:31 PM
May 2021

Get rid of the filibuster already and pass everything on a majority vote... voting reform, infrastructure, 1/6 commission... whatever!

Drag Manchin and Sinema by their hair if they won't go along. Threaten them with whatever penalties possible and get them in line!

I'm sick and tired of waiting for Democrats to get their shit together!

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
56. The DOJ doesn't investigate stuff like that.
Wed May 26, 2021, 11:59 AM
May 2021

They look for crimes, and try to convict those people of crimes. And we don't want the DOJ to investigate political parties are political movements. There's a reason the DOJ is a should be independent of politics. Anything else is the road to authoritarianism.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
59. They're already doing it with these arrests and prosecutions of people on the capital.
Wed May 26, 2021, 02:36 PM
May 2021

But that's the extent of their involvement.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
55. I think enough Repubs will vote for the commission that it'll pass.
Wed May 26, 2021, 11:55 AM
May 2021

But I don't think there's much downside for those Repubs that vote against it. They'll call it a partisan witch hunt, and how the Dems just want to talk about Donald Trump.

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