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Jennifer Taub
@jentaub
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May 25, 2021
💥 OMG. They just now unredacted those key portions. So Im now going to just show you the pages that were previously redacted. Ill show you the before and after.
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Jennifer Taub
@jentaub
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Before and After
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Mary Pat Flynn
@MaryPatFlynn1
And of even greater importance to this decision, the affidavits are so inconsistent with evidence in the record, they are not worthy of credence.
spanone
(135,847 posts)Beakybird
(3,333 posts)maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)It has everything a 2021 Gen Discussion post needs: references a tweet, provides no further context.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)It appears to be a court discussion about a memo about the Mueller report. So, two layers removed from the real thing.
brush
(53,794 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,744 posts)They'll be saying, so you let them black out pages of information from critical summary reports, and then let the guy who believes the president should have supreme executive power to interpret what was concluded. "Nothing to see, nothing to say, just move on."
Johnny2X2X
(19,074 posts)Read a little and it says it wouldn't recommend charges against the president.
ananda
(28,868 posts)Unfuckingbelievable.
ancianita
(36,109 posts)attorney-client privilege level. That's the gist.
The current DOJ analysis also says that the process of releasing the memos and attachments show that the process itself was not pre-decisional from Barr, who requested the Office of Legal Counsel's advice.
That doesn't actually mean Barr himself didn't 'pre-decide,' though, and just keep that to himself. He could have just used this as pro forma OLC advice, Whitaker kinda knowing what to say, anyway.
So, imo as a non-lawyer, the only person who can really, really say that there was no pre-decision is Barr himself, under oath, because these memos show no evidence of his having a pre-decision to interpret the Mueller Report the way he did to the general public on behalf of the DOJ. But appellate courts don't take testimony, from what I understand of their function. So we may never hear from Barr himself. Barr may go to his grave knowing that he'd pre-decided about the Mueller Report, and used OLC to cover that up.
It's just that, at this point in time, to this DOJ, these memos don't show evidence of Barr's pre-decision.
So it also means that this DOJ has to honor this appeal going forward, and that further considerations about other unredacted content might affect an appellate decision.
Blue Owl
(50,443 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)ShazamIam
(2,575 posts)President is above the law, echos of the Days of Nixon, the first time the Republicans installed a wanna be dictator.
eppur_se_muova
(36,271 posts)Apparently, it's a Latin phrase meaning "it is what it is".
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Lonestarblue
(10,024 posts)This is just proof. When will the DOJ get rid of its ridiculous opinion that a sitting president cannot be indicted for crimes? It is a leftover from Republicans trying to protect Nixon.
KS Toronado
(17,270 posts)And here's the proof.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)+1000000 That DOJ memo is an abomination. It is anti-Constitutional and needs to be publicly burned.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)This is a mishmash of redaction, court opinion and reconstituted pages.
Others may be able to make sense of this, but not me. Ill wait for a reputable journalist to opine.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)calimary
(81,335 posts)Not a lawyer. So I dont completely trust my own attempts at interpretation here.
housecat
(3,121 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)If they are as important as some people think, I'd say the odds are on the side of her including it in a broadcast. If she deems it unworthy of serious perusal and summary, we could probably just forget about it.
My impression is that it is too much of a mess for me to bother bludgeoning cognitive faculties that are already spoken for. I'll leave it to someone much better equipped to summarize and contextualize....or ignore.
housecat
(3,121 posts)Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Bev54
(10,055 posts)It now provides us with the information we wanted without the unredacted memo. Very clever.
kentuck
(111,104 posts)It tells us what was in he memo without showing us the memo.
It is highly critical of AG William Barr, who was primarily concerned with putting Trump in the best light and spinning it for PR purposes.
The Report did not clear Trump of obstruction charges but left it to the AG to determine what prosecutorial actions should be taken. It was a "pre-decision" document. Barr made the decision that it did not warrant prosecution, not from the evidence, but from his personal inconsistencies.
He hid pertinent and relevant information from the Court in his redacted information.
Barr would likely argue that he had the authority to do what he did. But he did not have the authority to hide information in the manner that he did.
In effect, Barr covered-up for Trump, in my opinion.
calimary
(81,335 posts)I failed it at birth. Lol
KS Toronado
(17,270 posts)@ssholes over at FQX news are in a panic trying to figure out how to spin it.
Will they just fall back on IQ45's favorite....FAKE NEWS?
Justice matters.
(6,935 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,200 posts)They appealed so as not to establish precedent in releasing AG internals, then they released the subject of this appeal anyway?
Is that what's occurred here?
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Maybe this didnt fall into the scope of the appeal? Seems pretty brilliant. Cant unring this bell!
Ms. Toad
(34,076 posts)They aren't even a close match to each other (look at # of paragraphs, indents, etc.)
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)I just pass these things along. If she corrects, I might too.
DENVERPOPS
(8,838 posts)So what????????????/
I have to believe that tens of millions of us are saying that.........
This incredible amount of documentation and evidence is coming out like a landslide......and seemingly, nothing is being done......
And not unlike the second impeachment, which had copious and overwhelming evidence, I really don't know what's to come of all this, regardless of the evidence and documentation......
I guess we will just have to wait and see as we have been doing daily for five years............
Justice matters.
(6,935 posts)Warpy
(111,283 posts)so I'm going to have to wait for the WaPo article, should happen tonight.
Keratoconus sucks.
scipan
(2,351 posts)They can't hide it based on "deliberative process" because it wasn't pre-decisional. The decision had already been made, that it exonerated Trump, and this memo was all about how to spin it.
I gave up at Part 2: attorney-client privilege.