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soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
Tue May 25, 2021, 12:27 PM May 2021

💥 OMG. They just now unredacted those key portions. So I'm now going to just show you the pages that


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Jennifer Taub
@jentaub
·
May 25, 2021
💥 OMG. They just now unredacted those key portions. So I’m now going to just show you the pages that were previously redacted. I’ll show you the before and after.

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Jennifer Taub
@jentaub
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Mary Pat Flynn
@MaryPatFlynn1
“And of even greater importance to this decision, the affidavits are so inconsistent with evidence in the record, they are not worthy of credence.”












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💥 OMG. They just now unredacted those key portions. So I'm now going to just show you the pages that (Original Post) soothsayer May 2021 OP
K&R... spanone May 2021 #1
Unredacted what? Beakybird May 2021 #2
I guess the Barr Memo on the Mueller Report? maxsolomon May 2021 #5
Yeah, a perfect post. lagomorph777 May 2021 #19
Just a couple of words of what this is about, pls. brush May 2021 #3
The future is going to have a good laugh at our expense. Baitball Blogger May 2021 #4
Cliff Notes? Johnny2X2X May 2021 #6
And leaves it up to the AG. ananda May 2021 #18
Unredacted pages prove that the memos from OLC fit under all communications that fit the OLC's ancianita May 2021 #28
Is this some kind of joke? Blue Owl May 2021 #7
This must be the pages that the court ordered that were due yesterday. nt Blanks May 2021 #8
The obvious problem is an AG who's appointment was because he supported the wacko idea that a U.S. ShazamIam May 2021 #9
Aw, c'mon -- /ipse dixit/ is a valid legal term ? Sounds like a kid's game. eppur_se_muova May 2021 #10
Yes to your question. Shrike47 May 2021 #32
We all knew that Barr deliberately lied and misinterpreted the Mueller Report to cover for Trump. Lonestarblue May 2021 #11
"Barr caught lying" should have been the title of this post. KS Toronado May 2021 #16
You're right! soothsayer May 2021 #39
When will the DOJ get rid of its ridiculous opinion that a sitting president cannot be indicted...? lagomorph777 May 2021 #20
Tweeting the changed pages is an exceptionally bad way to convey information. Politicub May 2021 #12
+1000 lagomorph777 May 2021 #21
Indeed. I started trying to wade through it and found my eyes crossing. calimary May 2021 #29
Can somebody please summarize as Rachel Maddow would do right before a commerical break. housecat May 2021 #13
Maybe she will summarize them. BobTheSubgenius May 2021 #26
My feelings exactly housecat May 2021 #42
Key portions of what, for heaven's sake? I failed mind reading in college. Shrike47 May 2021 #14
This is the un-redacteded court order Bev54 May 2021 #17
That is what I read, also. kentuck May 2021 #22
That's undoubtedly why Orange Bang appointed him. calimary May 2021 #31
I'm A Guy GB_RN May 2021 #25
Now that more truths of reQublican misdeeds are coming to light KS Toronado May 2021 #15
Don McGahn is due to appear at the House Judiciary Committee next week. Justice matters. May 2021 #36
Am I correct in thinking this is smartly played, or have I misunderstood? bucolic_frolic May 2021 #23
I think you might be right. Or was it that they only appealed about *some* stuff soothsayer May 2021 #24
Compare the first two pages - Ms. Toad May 2021 #27
Yeah, I noticed that and that one has 41 pages and one has 42 soothsayer May 2021 #33
My only thinking is, DENVERPOPS May 2021 #30
Don McGahn is due to appear under oath at the House Judiciary Committee next week. Justice matters. May 2021 #37
I struggle with black text on white peper Warpy May 2021 #34
How this layman reads the first part scipan May 2021 #35
K&R burrowowl May 2021 #38
💥 OMG. They just now unredacted those key portions. So I'm now going to just show you the pages tha FelineOverlord May 2021 #40
This is illuminating. triron May 2021 #41

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
5. I guess the Barr Memo on the Mueller Report?
Tue May 25, 2021, 12:45 PM
May 2021

It has everything a 2021 Gen Discussion post needs: references a tweet, provides no further context.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
19. Yeah, a perfect post.
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:41 PM
May 2021

It appears to be a court discussion about a memo about the Mueller report. So, two layers removed from the real thing.

Baitball Blogger

(46,744 posts)
4. The future is going to have a good laugh at our expense.
Tue May 25, 2021, 12:41 PM
May 2021

They'll be saying, so you let them black out pages of information from critical summary reports, and then let the guy who believes the president should have supreme executive power to interpret what was concluded. "Nothing to see, nothing to say, just move on."

ancianita

(36,109 posts)
28. Unredacted pages prove that the memos from OLC fit under all communications that fit the OLC's
Tue May 25, 2021, 02:37 PM
May 2021

attorney-client privilege level. That's the gist.

The current DOJ analysis also says that the process of releasing the memos and attachments show that the process itself was not pre-decisional from Barr, who requested the Office of Legal Counsel's advice.

That doesn't actually mean Barr himself didn't 'pre-decide,' though, and just keep that to himself. He could have just used this as pro forma OLC advice, Whitaker kinda knowing what to say, anyway.

So, imo as a non-lawyer, the only person who can really, really say that there was no pre-decision is Barr himself, under oath, because these memos show no evidence of his having a pre-decision to interpret the Mueller Report the way he did to the general public on behalf of the DOJ. But appellate courts don't take testimony, from what I understand of their function. So we may never hear from Barr himself. Barr may go to his grave knowing that he'd pre-decided about the Mueller Report, and used OLC to cover that up.

It's just that, at this point in time, to this DOJ, these memos don't show evidence of Barr's pre-decision.

So it also means that this DOJ has to honor this appeal going forward, and that further considerations about other unredacted content might affect an appellate decision.

ShazamIam

(2,575 posts)
9. The obvious problem is an AG who's appointment was because he supported the wacko idea that a U.S.
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:03 PM
May 2021

President is above the law, echos of the Days of Nixon, the first time the Republicans installed a wanna be dictator.

eppur_se_muova

(36,271 posts)
10. Aw, c'mon -- /ipse dixit/ is a valid legal term ? Sounds like a kid's game.
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:12 PM
May 2021

Apparently, it's a Latin phrase meaning "it is what it is".

Lonestarblue

(10,024 posts)
11. We all knew that Barr deliberately lied and misinterpreted the Mueller Report to cover for Trump.
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:14 PM
May 2021

This is just proof. When will the DOJ get rid of its ridiculous opinion that a sitting president cannot be indicted for crimes? It is a leftover from Republicans trying to protect Nixon.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
20. When will the DOJ get rid of its ridiculous opinion that a sitting president cannot be indicted...?
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:44 PM
May 2021

+1000000 That DOJ memo is an abomination. It is anti-Constitutional and needs to be publicly burned.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
12. Tweeting the changed pages is an exceptionally bad way to convey information.
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:16 PM
May 2021

This is a mishmash of redaction, court opinion and reconstituted pages.

Others may be able to make sense of this, but not me. I’ll wait for a reputable journalist to opine.

calimary

(81,335 posts)
29. Indeed. I started trying to wade through it and found my eyes crossing.
Tue May 25, 2021, 02:37 PM
May 2021

Not a lawyer. So I don’t completely trust my own attempts at interpretation here.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
26. Maybe she will summarize them.
Tue May 25, 2021, 02:28 PM
May 2021

If they are as important as some people think, I'd say the odds are on the side of her including it in a broadcast. If she deems it unworthy of serious perusal and summary, we could probably just forget about it.

My impression is that it is too much of a mess for me to bother bludgeoning cognitive faculties that are already spoken for. I'll leave it to someone much better equipped to summarize and contextualize....or ignore.

Bev54

(10,055 posts)
17. This is the un-redacteded court order
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:38 PM
May 2021

It now provides us with the information we wanted without the unredacted memo. Very clever.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
22. That is what I read, also.
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:47 PM
May 2021

It tells us what was in he memo without showing us the memo.

It is highly critical of AG William Barr, who was primarily concerned with putting Trump in the best light and spinning it for PR purposes.

The Report did not clear Trump of obstruction charges but left it to the AG to determine what prosecutorial actions should be taken. It was a "pre-decision" document. Barr made the decision that it did not warrant prosecution, not from the evidence, but from his personal inconsistencies.

He hid pertinent and relevant information from the Court in his redacted information.

Barr would likely argue that he had the authority to do what he did. But he did not have the authority to hide information in the manner that he did.

In effect, Barr covered-up for Trump, in my opinion.

KS Toronado

(17,270 posts)
15. Now that more truths of reQublican misdeeds are coming to light
Tue May 25, 2021, 01:27 PM
May 2021

@ssholes over at FQX news are in a panic trying to figure out how to spin it.
Will they just fall back on IQ45's favorite....FAKE NEWS?

Justice matters.

(6,935 posts)
36. Don McGahn is due to appear at the House Judiciary Committee next week.
Tue May 25, 2021, 03:10 PM
May 2021
No live questioning on broadcast but the transcript will be released afterwards.

bucolic_frolic

(43,200 posts)
23. Am I correct in thinking this is smartly played, or have I misunderstood?
Tue May 25, 2021, 02:10 PM
May 2021

They appealed so as not to establish precedent in releasing AG internals, then they released the subject of this appeal anyway?

Is that what's occurred here?

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
24. I think you might be right. Or was it that they only appealed about *some* stuff
Tue May 25, 2021, 02:17 PM
May 2021

Maybe this didn’t fall into the scope of the appeal? Seems pretty brilliant. Can’t unring this bell!

Ms. Toad

(34,076 posts)
27. Compare the first two pages -
Tue May 25, 2021, 02:35 PM
May 2021

They aren't even a close match to each other (look at # of paragraphs, indents, etc.)

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
33. Yeah, I noticed that and that one has 41 pages and one has 42
Tue May 25, 2021, 02:54 PM
May 2021

I just pass these things along. If she corrects, I might too.

DENVERPOPS

(8,838 posts)
30. My only thinking is,
Tue May 25, 2021, 02:37 PM
May 2021

So what????????????/

I have to believe that tens of millions of us are saying that.........

This incredible amount of documentation and evidence is coming out like a landslide......and seemingly, nothing is being done......

And not unlike the second impeachment, which had copious and overwhelming evidence, I really don't know what's to come of all this, regardless of the evidence and documentation......

I guess we will just have to wait and see as we have been doing daily for five years............

Justice matters.

(6,935 posts)
37. Don McGahn is due to appear under oath at the House Judiciary Committee next week.
Tue May 25, 2021, 03:13 PM
May 2021
No live questioning on broadcast but the transcript will be released afterwards.



Warpy

(111,283 posts)
34. I struggle with black text on white peper
Tue May 25, 2021, 02:55 PM
May 2021

so I'm going to have to wait for the WaPo article, should happen tonight.

Keratoconus sucks.

scipan

(2,351 posts)
35. How this layman reads the first part
Tue May 25, 2021, 03:05 PM
May 2021

They can't hide it based on "deliberative process" because it wasn't pre-decisional. The decision had already been made, that it exonerated Trump, and this memo was all about how to spin it.

I gave up at Part 2: attorney-client privilege.

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