A Trump indictment/conviction could be repub dream come true

[NJCher]

I'm surprised nobody here is talking about this today. Now admittedly, I was watching Chris Hayes on my cell phone while watering my garden, however, I am pretty sure I got the train of thought correctly:

If trump is indicted/convicted, the repubs get to keep the trumpists as a voting block. Not only will these "voters" be outraged, they will be motivated voters if the repubs are able to find someone who wants to avenge Dear Leader from the U.S. gulag.

The Big Bonus is they get rid of Trump, who they've known all along is a handicap (note how they snipped out the figures on how unpopular he was in the key swing states). So they know that, but they stuck with him regardless.

They even changed their stories on his culpability (Kevin McCarthy, to an extent, Mitch McC).

In this scenario, they are playing trump for the fool, which admittedly shows forethought and intelligence. But somebody out there may have been capable of thinking this thing through. All it would require is to be pretty damned sure trump would be in complex legal trouble and unable to actually be the leader of the party. Hardly a farfetched assumption.

If the commentators on Chris Hayes are correct, this will explain why they stuck with Trump, at least through this phase.

I tried to find a clip but Chris doesn't have one up on his web page yet. There are three from last night's show, but not about this. Don't know if they will be posting anymore, so if you have the show taped, it's worth a watch.

Monday, May 24 episode to clips:

https://www.msnbc.com/all

[Blue Owl]

1. Live that dream, GOP!

[mnhtnbb]

2. Sticking with a would be felon doesn't seem like good strategy to me.

The Republicans may turn out to be too clever by half.

[NJCher]

6. they'll be counting on short memories

not a big problem when you're dealing with a republican.

[ShazamIam]

3. Yes, they can now blame Trump the criminal for the destruction of the Republican party, when, to me,

it is that old Koch network and the (John Birchers) Heritage Foundation who took over the Republican party. Not to mention the full cooperation of U.S. news system who have aided them with their policies and plans, upholding all the lies told over the decades.
that led to,
Making college very expensive (tax cuts for the wealthy in the 80s)
Mass incarceration of the poorest young men, to keep them from rebelling and resisting
etc, but made, crime pay, for the owners of the for profit prisons.

[everyonematters]

4. I don't see it.

Trump is going to make himself the center of attention no matter what. The good majority of the voters are going to rebel against a figure who is in prison. I believe he is going to be the Republican nominee in 2024 regardless.

[NJCher]

5. did you see the post

here the other day about how he is entering internet oblivion? Down to 15,000 clicks in a day.

To do what you're saying, he has to get back on Twitter.

[everyonematters]

12. All he has to do is make press announcements like he did yesterday.

[NJCher]

25. no,

He is dependent on a medium to throw red meat to the base, launch new conspiracies, beat up on transgressors, etc. The only medium that effectively does this is Twitter. And to some extent one could argue Facebook.

Without that direct line, he's history.

[smirkymonkey]

19. I don't think it's going to happen.

For a number of reasons. I just don't. He's just becoming a sad old joke. It's not going to get any better for him.

[agingdem]

26. Trump indicted/convicted would be a GOP wet dream

because they would be rid of the orange cretin...they could blame the Dems (Trump Derangement Syndrome)..Trump's maggots would spew their hate/rage/threat vomit at the "libs" but with federal, state and local law enforcement crawling up their asses, boxing them in..and the Dems would put the onus of the convictions and bend-over blind devotion to a twice impeached felon on the heads and shoulders of every Republican enabler...everyone happy except Family Trump..

[John Ludi]

7. I've had that same thought...

make him a martyr and get as much mileage out of that as they can.

Part of me hopes that they just slowly rake him over the coals over the next three years while tossing various family members and cronies in the clink...at some point the pressure might incapacitate him or cause him to stroke out before the election.

As much as I'd like to see him behind bars, he is the big roadblock to anyone else capturing the limited imaginations of the MAGAdolts.

[Lovie777]

8. Certain portion of the "republican both anti & pro t-rump" groups desires it immensely . . .

while acting soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo upset because he's being attacked - witch hunt bullshit.

With his unprecedented tenure at the WH for 4 years and the effing "big lie", republicans believe they have seized on the tools to keep in power for decades, i.e. voting suppression laws, more robust gerrymandering, the big lie, socialism, taxes, et al.

To being said, at this point in time, majority of Americans see thru that.

Do republicans actually care about t-rump, his family and his comrades, nope.

Note: Liz Cheney who recently defended the voting suppression laws across the country.

[Tom Rinaldo]

9. It's much too volatile a potential scenario to make predictions

I watched Chris too last night, but the context for seeing this as a potential benefit to the Republican Party is framed by assumptions that politics more or less as usual will prevail should Trump go on trial, whether or not he is eventually convicted. I think those assumptions are seriously flawed. Trump will do every thing in his power to make his trial into a political one. If he believes he is going to face prison he will attempt to instigate an armed uprising, and there will be those who will respond to that call. In some deeply red states and regions that would be embraced by far more than a mere fringe. We may be fast approaching the antithesis of "politics as usual."

[PRETZEL]

10. That's walking out on a pretty slim limb, imho

I don't see where they garner much enthusiasm with Trump core supporters by hanging their hat on a Trump-lite candidate, whether it's Cruz, Hawley, Graham, DeSantis, etc. and expect that base to follow along blindly. That's a block of voters who may decide to sit out the 2020 midterms or the 2024 election.

Also was watching CNN this morning and the new poll guy they have (can't remember his name) was showing that even though there is still a majority support for all things Trump, the margin who believe whole heartedly that he is still President (among Republicans) is at 53%. As weird as that number is, that's little over half and for the Republicans to believe the other 47% would automatically fall in line for a Trump-lite candidate may be a foolish wish.

[NJCher]

11. I think you may have some good points

However, remember that we are dealing with people who have relatively simple minds, but even more important:

people with very few options.

[moose65]

14. True

Also, remember that this is a cult of personality - the true believers want TRUMP, not someone who is just like him. And they'll never be able to control Trump, even from prison. The lunatic is literally running the asylum.

[Johnny2X2X]

13. The GOP has no choice

Trump owns them, they're clueless as to how much.

Trump wants it all from them, why would he settle for anything less than everything the Republicans have?

It's like a mob movie or series when a legitimate businessman somehow gets involved with the mafia, once they get their hooks in, they don't leave until they've bled the business dry and burned down the building on the way out.

Trump is running again in 2024, doesn't matter if he's charged with felonies, he'll still run, and there's not a goddamned thing any Republican can do to stop him.

[PortTack]

16. His niece has been spot on with her predictions regarding frump. She says he won't run

Ego too fragile.

I don’t believe he has any intention of running

[Johnny2X2X]

22. I hope she's right

I realize that Joe would beat Trump again, but there is a risk he could lose to Trump. A 2nd Trump term would be the end of the Democracy, it barely survived his first. DeSantis would be bad, but nowhere near as bad as Trump. Trump's 2nd term would be all about jailing his enemies, that would be his sole focus.

[greenjar_01]

15. Ay yay yay

[multigraincracker]

17. The Wheels of Justice turn slow.

Will be well past 2024 before he sees any jail time, if at all.

Will cost him a lot of money he does not have and lots of press that will not make him look good.

If it were to never make it into court, our system failed.

[empedocles]

20. A weak, incriminated [but not yet imprisoned],embarassing, traitortrump might be best for the Dems?

[OhZone]

18. Well, a lot of Rump supporters only vote-

when he is on the ticket so if he is left to die in prison, will that help the GOP?~

[BannonsLiver]

21. Nobody's talking about it because it's completely ludicrous.

[lagomorph777]

24. +1000 It's the usual RW media spin, trying to make lemonade out of a puddle of diarrhea.

[lagomorph777]

23. Oh, please. Trump is their puppeteer (and Putin is Trump's puppeteer).

If Trump goes to jail, they have big problems.

I guess we can bank-shot a spinning cue ball off of three sides and two other balls, to make any bad story look good for the GQP, but that's exhausting and a waste of energy.