Senate GOP doubts grand jury charges would weaken Trump

[babylonsister]

How 'bout if he gets sent to jail, fellas? Would that weaken mf45?

Senate GOP doubts grand jury charges would weaken Trump
By Alexander Bolton - 05/27/21 06:00 AM EDT


Senate Republicans see a special grand jury investigation into President Trump's business practices by Manhattan district attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. as more evidence that Democrats want to keep Trump in the spotlight to drag them down in the midterm election.

Republicans think the investigation will only further deepen partisan divisions over the former president and believe that even if he's indicted, it won’t diminish him as a political force in 2022 and beyond.

GOP lawmakers say a lot depends on what Vance is able to prove in court if he brings a criminal case against Trump, his business associates or the Trump Organization itself.

But they say it’s too early to assess whether a criminal indictment against Trump — or even a conviction — will inflict any serious damage on Trump’s popularity among Republican-leaning white working-class voters who are the core of his base.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/555644-senate-gop-doubts-grand-jury-charges-would-weaken-trump

[ck4829]

1. Ah yes, the Duncan Hunter strategy all over again

Vote for the convicted guy then claim there is a conspiracy and the system works against you when convicted guy OBVIOUSLY can not take power.

[Merlot]

2. Agreed. But that's not why he's being investigated.

[Walleye]

3. GOP runs trump, we win even bigger. He likes getting beat like a drum.

[Lovie777]

4. That is all the GOP cares about - power and greed . . . ..

[OrlandoDem2]

5. I agree with them. The GOP is a wreck. 2 impeachments,

Repeated lies, admitted sexual assault on women, scandalous affairs, and Trump is still their lord and savior.

I’m not even sure a guilty verdict against Trump himself will diminish the adoration they have for Trump. It’s a sickness.

Quite frankly, I’m not convinced this thing even goes to trial. We couldn’t get a guilty verdict in the Senate on 2 separate occasions. I’m skeptical this guy ever faces justice. And if he skates a 3rd time, God help us all.

[LiberalFighter]

12. If the Senate been based on actual population.

He likely would have been convicted.

[Klaralven]

6. If indicted, its not clear whether there would be a trial before Nov 2022

These are the NY courts. Things take time.

[ScratchCat]

24. Even worse

There will likely be charges from Three States - New York, Georgia and Illinois, and two Federal Districts - SDNY and Manhatten.

[spanone]

7. The GQP is a criminal enterprise...it will only raise their admiration for him.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

8. Define DELUSIONAL......Confessional Republicans devoted to TRUMP.

You heard it here first, folks.

[Phoenix61]

9. I think it depends on what gets proved.

If it comes out that he’s broke, that he’s lost every cent his father left him and then some, that whatever “wealth” he had was money he was laundering, that he’s a complete and utter fraud, he’ll loose his following. They love him because they want to be him. If he’s just another broke ass con man the shine will be gone forever.

[empedocles]

10. Agree. More obvious, publicized, corruption evidence will take its toll on some 'cons.

Especially if treasonous in appearance.

[mucifer]

15. No he won't. those monsters will love him more. they will never believe the truth

[apnu]

11. The Republican Party was fine with Trump sending a mob to the Capitol

Of course being in jail won’t diminish his political prospects. Hitler went to jail too. Napoleon as well.

[babylonsister]

13. I disagree, but we'll see.

I think they'd want to remove themselves from a man who is found guilty and goes to prison. But what they're doing now is so boneheaded, who knows?

[zentrum]

14. Agreed. Especially the pay-offs...

....to women. MAGAs like that part. One of the reasons they see him as Macho. Incomprehensible as that is to everyone else.

[Chainfire]

16. There is nothing that Trump could do,

nothing that he would be charged or convicted of, that would negatively influence is base of followers. These are people who still deny the election results; they are not impressed the truth. The strongest possible evidence against Trump would be seen as proof that the Liberals were out to get him on another witch hunt. You can not apply logic to irrational people.

His base of around 35-40 percent of the voters will stand by him. We need to accept that, not spend a lot of time worrying about them, and just plan around them. The important group of people, who can be influenced, are the few in the center and they are the reason to aggressively investigate Trump and his party.

To be fair, there a a group of Liberals, myself included, that would not support Trump if he walked on the waters and raised the dead. That is probably 35-40 percent of the other side. It is the 20-30% in the gray areas that will be influenced by Trump's legal problems, that is why we push forward, aggressively, with investigations, followed by indictment's. We need to shine a light into the dark world of Trump and his supporters.

[PortTack]

18. His numbers especially his cult are not anywhere near that high

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215468611

First 53% of under 24% is only about 1 in 8 voters. It's not hard to envision 1 in 8 as politically nuts.
Second, the overall numbers of the poll don't square with 4 other polls showing Biden's approval at 60% or higher.
It requires too high a fraction of independents to approve of Biden to square with historical results.
Third, 3% of dems think T***p is still POTUS? I think not. That just doesn't make sense given a nearly 8 million vote win & approval of at least 3 in 5 voters.
So, it's not really that big a number, and I question their results across the board.

[Chainfire]

25. It is the same 43 percent that disapprove of Biden today

And the same 43 percent that supported Trump, near the end. Those are the hard-core haters. It is also the same 40 something percent that still believe that the election was stolen. If you average out the polls they indicate that Biden's approval is around 54%. I know that you can find a poll that is much higher, but it will reflect a big difference in the rest of the polls. I have more faith in the 538 poll. (Today showing 54.2 approval and 40.4 disapproval) Don't get me wrong, a 14 point edge is a good thing and I am glad that the numbers aren't reversed....

The numbers of Trump worshippers is higher than you may want to believe. I know that it makes no sense, but it is what it is. There are a lot of angry, ignorant people in this country.

[ananda]

17. So he'll run as a convicted criminal.. possibly from jail?

???

[MineralMan]

19. Well, So They Hope, Anyhow...

They're so committed to sucking up to Trump's base that they have no other path left to follow.

They're wrong. Dead wrong in their thinking.

[lagomorph777]

20. Hahaha! Sure, guys. Go for it.

And by the way, I'm tired of news stories saying "Senator Fuckemup (Q, Crazyland) believes..." Would be more accurate to say "Senator Fuckemup (Q, Crazyland) claims to believe..."

[NoMoreRepugs]

21. Common sense SHOULD cause fewer Independents to support a GQP party embracing someone being

investigated for criminal wrongdoing not to mention some percentage of not so hard core Republican voters - would seem to be quite favorable to Democratic Party chances in 2022 aND 2024.

If common sense still exists that is.

[msfiddlestix]

22. Geeze, it really sucks to say I agree with these QOP thugs assessment on any indictment, criminal

charges, prosecutions, convictions, and prison sentencing.


Won't make a bit of difference. That psychopathic mobster and his criminal enterprises will not be affected negatively, so long as the QOP continue to enable and support him. Oh, especially the media, and I mean all of the media, not just fox.

[Baked Potato]

23. Republicans won't care about any crimes unless some investors were screwed.

Cheating on taxes, generally—good practice.
Inflating assets to get loans—who doesn’t do it?
Deflating assets to pay less taxes—routine.
Playing financial games to pay “escorts”—boys will be boys.
Use any trick available to win elected office—politics 101
Launder money—big boy league.
Drugs—cool side hustle.
Make deals with world adversaries—it IS connected world economy, “Pirate...”

Cause anyone besides Government to LOSE money—Whoa now, that’s fucked up. Better get a lawyer buddy!

IMO

[Chainfire]

26. No Republicans don't care, most of that stuff is just good business

the rest is entitlement. However, the IRS and the Justice Department may not be as forgiving as the Republican leadership.

To prosecute a former president, the case will have to be iron-clad; and that is how it should be. Perhaps the evidence is there, and perhaps not, time will tell. I may be silly, but I still have faith in our system of justice, it is far from perfect, but it is better than everyone else's. To be perfectly clear, I would rejoice in seeing the whole Trump family hauled off in cuffs, but I ain't holding my breath.

[Baked Potato]

27. Some good old fashioned justice would make this household happy!

[Grins]

28. DEMOCRATS? Want to do what...?

“Republicans see a special grand jury investigation into Trump...as more evidence that Democrats want to keep Trump in the spotlight...”

Does the word “Benghazi” sound familiar...?

If only the Democrats were actually that good. Democrats have ZERO control over this process.

[louis-t]

29. They say that now.