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Will Stancil
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One thing you see a lot on here is people pointing out the contradictions in the putative views of Trumps GOP. COVID is a Chinese plot but also a hoax. The insurrection was antifa but also a tour of patriots.
5:09 PM · May 28, 2021
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One thing you see a lot on here is people pointing out the contradictions in the putative views of Trumps GOP. COVID is a Chinese plot but also a hoax. The insurrection was antifa but also a tour of patriots.
What people need to understand is that these contradictions arent a SYMPTOM of Trumpism.
They point to its very core - its emotional, psychological appeal to millions of America. The ability to sustain these contradictions is why Trump was elected, how his movement exists.
Ultimately what Trump offers - what fascism offers - is a philosophy of total emotional and psychological indulgence. Believe whatever makes you feel best. Live your politics examined.
Dont want to take credit for the insurrection, but want to claim its dead as your martyrs? Go ahead! Say it! The Capitol was attacked by antifa but Ashlii Babbit was a hero patriot.
Hate China, but annoyed by the scolding liberals and their masks? Call the coronavirus a Democratic hoax - and at the same time, a deadly foreign bioweapon.
Voters arent drawn to Trumps politics because of a specific policy view or really even an ideology. Theyre drawn to them because those politics say:
Please, think whatever is easiest. Indulge in your laziest ideas and basest prejudices. There are no rules.
Save one.
You must support the leader. You cannot abandon the leader. Support for the leader absolves you of the burden of rationality and the sin of inconsistency. Indeed, faith in the leader can be proven by embracing irrationality and rejecting consistency. Prove your faith.
Thats why Trumpism and fascism reliably attract the worst and the weakest, the dumb, the selfish, and the cowardly. Its an endlessly flexible vessel for their worst vices, willing to forgive anything and let them do anything in exchange for loyalty to the strongman.
The mistake American political thinkers keep making is to try to link Trump to preexisting ideology. There are ideas associated with Trumpism, of course, but THEY are the symptom: what happens when you let people indulge in whatever fleeting hate takes their fancy.
You cant understand Trumps rise without looking at this deeper psychological appeal. This is his promise to his voters, its why nothing his movement says or believes makes sense, and no one seems to care.
Its also why we cant triangulate or maneuver his supporters away from him. They dont really want any of what were offering, anyway - they want the freedom to do and think whatever they feel at any moment, something no liberal of any description could ever promise.
Wounded Bear
(58,676 posts)It takes religious devotion to the inexplicable to carry such paradoxical beliefs in tandem.
Rational people won't carry two divergent doncepts. They train themselves not to.
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)was actually left wing rioters and the Democratic Party is responsible for the Capitol takeover.
A majority dont want any investigation of that.
These two concepts cannot both be true at the same time.
Iggo
(47,561 posts)LastDemocratInSC
(3,647 posts)LakeArenal
(28,829 posts)Hate and fear the other.
I think faux religious leaders, fake legislators and media for perpetrating the insane ideology that should get no press and no credibility from any of those mentioned.
lame54
(35,302 posts)The "lock 'em up" republicans don't want to investigate
Comfortably_Numb
(3,809 posts) Thats why Trumpism and fascism reliably attract the worst and the weakest, the dumb, the selfish, and the cowardly.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Abuse power,abuse people,abuse everything and not be held accountable for it.
All the freedom, all the control and none of the responsibilities.
Midnight Writer
(21,771 posts)When you only hear one side of the story, that is the side you believe.
I'm not a big consumer of RW media, but I can tell you what is going on there because it is everywhere.
I would have to bury my head in the sand to avoid it.
But to get the counter view, to find the truth and context behind their claims, I have to seek it out at places like DU and others.
There are no purely "liberal" outlets on radio and TV, at least in this area.
There is FOX, Newsmax, OANN, Sinclair, Rush (still broadcasting from beyond the veil), Hannity, Levin, and a host of others spreading truly outrageous bullsh*t 24/7.
I can't understand why we have ceded all this space to Right Wingers.
nuxvomica
(12,434 posts)Any time I argue with a Trumper, confronting them with facts, I get the same response like, "Well that's my opinion and I have a right to my opinion." Often slipping in "God-given" before the word "right." The "you have a right to your own opinion but not to your own facts" argument never lands on them. But I've also been saying this sort of epistemological "freedom" is not the disgraced former president's only appeal. They swallow this philosophy because they see him as someone who commits the worst acts freely without consequences and they want that same state of grace. It seems powerfully magical to them. And until he's convicted of something the spell remains unbroken. I don't think the impeachments, though necessary, did anything but reinforce this notion, because he skated on them like everything else in his life. The most serious blow was not losing the election but losing his Twitter platform. I think that consequence harmed the magic more than anything. He really needs to be put behind bars to end this.
Xoan
(25,322 posts)it's a major feature.
Retired Engineer Bob
(759 posts)They have a hot topic, The Unvaccinated Will Inherit The Earth. Vaccine Caused ADE (Antibody Dependent Enhancement) Will Wipe Out Billions
Over 200 replies.
The gist of the OP, the vax will kill over 2.5 billion people. Among the 200 replies are several giving thanks to Donnie Two Scoops for delivering the vaccine that will save millions.
Reminds me of Schrödinger's cat.