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hlthe2b

(102,320 posts)
2. He absolutely drove me nuts... but admittedly I was curious what he was up to...
Sat May 29, 2021, 04:11 PM
May 2021
(not enough to buy his book, though)

Fiendish Thingy

(15,644 posts)
3. Hard pass. Sure as hell hope nobody on MSNBC gives him airtime to promote it.
Sat May 29, 2021, 04:24 PM
May 2021

OK, maybe Morning Joe, but I don’t care cuz I never watch that show.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
4. I enjoyed his book on Bobby Kennedy....
Sat May 29, 2021, 04:33 PM
May 2021

Love or hate Chris Matthews, he had a good show. He interrupted his guests too much though.

a kennedy

(29,686 posts)
18. Ya mean kinda like what Stephen Colbert does???
Sat May 29, 2021, 08:19 PM
May 2021

HATE THE INTERVIEWER MAKING THE INTERVIEWEE NOT THE ONE WHO’S SUPPOSED TO “TOP DOG”. Stephen Colbert ALWAYS makes his life more appealing then the guest he has on. 🤬 🤬 🤬. JMHO. He interrupts, he doesn’t let the guest finish their talk, AND HE ALWAYS has something better to say. JMHO. I really like Jimmy Kimmel better. Kinda “low brow” but, he does let his guests talk. 🙂

UTUSN

(70,719 posts)
8. O.M.Z. - he's gone over the edge with his glory hound self-delusion! He equates himself with the
Sat May 29, 2021, 05:26 PM
May 2021

*COUNTRY*! And whoever wrote the link to the blurb (him?) calls his life an odyssey and makes him out to have been a journalist of *magnitude*!

He. was. a. *FLUNKY* at the most! We Dem junkies were thrilled when he came on the scene in '88 with Hardball the book, thinking we had a tough DEMOCRATIC operative to lay low the opposition. HAH - I can count on one pinkie nail the times he praised CARTER, while he slathered all over RAYGUN, Nancy, and Shrub non-stop.

As for his surfacing to "peddle jams and jellies" (credit Carol CHANNING) and somebody posting they hope nobody on MSNBC gives him air, compare to how DONAHUE hosted him for one of his AmCiv101 books and soon was gone from MSNBC (below).

I monitored him closely for five or more years and had him pegged long before his crash proved it out, to wit:

***** Etymology of "Tweety". During Campaign 2000 the media noise machine was swooning over the nicknames Shrub was giving some of them. Media Whores Online ran a contest to nickname Chris MATTHEWS. In the first three or so weeks, there was no clear, catchy front runner, with "The Screamer" sort of leading. Then one of MATTHEWS's own Hardball staff leaked to MWO that they themselves called him "Tweety" because of the Clairol shade of hair coloring he favored. This was immediately declared the winner. But in some quarters, it wasn't entirely satisfactory. For one thing, by the time the name was declared, the shade had changed to platinum, leading to a suggestion he be called "Carole LOMBARD".

   Plus, "Tweety" sounded too affectionate. 

His Misogyny.  Then M-TV held its 20th or 25th or whatever anniversary, and all the cable echo chambers were doing segments of Britney shedding her duds down to almost nothing. Not to be left behind, Tweety followed suit, with a guest "culture" commentator from Time Mag, the young humor columnist, Joel STEIN. The staff kept re-running the Britney clip, and Tweety was clearly DROOLING disgustingly. STEIN said, "You're beginning to creep me out." Tweety responded, "Yeah, well, wait till YOU're 50." This led to the suggestion that "Tweety" be modified to "Tweezer" to retain the hair reference while canceling out the affection factor and also adding the (dirty old) "geezer" angle.
Back when, misogyny was a wink-wink/smirk-smirk thing among the old style flunkies like him, there were many examples of his, with HRC being his prime target for years until she was becoming a real contender, when he yearned to host her, but the bridges had been burned. 

But here's a vignette from back in the day, regarding his wife Kathleen. He deigned to host her or let her co-host a segment or so, this time with him and another recycled miscreant Mike BARNICLE. She was standing like at the front of a class and they two were sitting like the smirking, spit-balling, Catholic schoolboy-jerks that they really are. She trudged through her presentation, taking her subject seriously while the two of them smirked, giggled, and mocked all the way. But regarding Kathleen, he exemplifies one signature characteristic of misogynists: Despite the obviously hostile behaviors, they claim to adore, honor, put-on-a-pedestal women. And Tweety frequently does that over-compensating, protests-too-much thing by referring to her as, "MY QUEEN." 
*************So flash forward decades to the TWITLER atrocious era, specifically calling Senator WARREN “Pocahontas.” Tweety hosted her soon after a TWITLER episode of it, besides a manic outburst of his sputtering interrupting, almost giggling every time he said that name, catching himself each time then protesting that it was a horrible thing, like Beavis/Butthead giggling at a dirty word. So WARREN kept to the high road and that TWITLER was not going to silence her. So then he struck, like when he lashed out at DONAHUE. He was in bursting giggle mode and said, "So, for you 'Pocahontas' will be like a clarion call for you to come charging out!1" and he busted his gut. WARREN looked sucker punched. 

Darrell HAMMOND "Doing" Tweety on SNL. Tweety's ego was massively stroked after the debut of HAMMOND's impersonation of him, either in 2001 or 2002. He said, "I am now an ICON: I have been 'done' on Saturday Night Live'." The funniest line in the debut was HAMMOND as Tweety, cracking himself up with, "For the ... FIFTY ... people who watch this show...” (Hardball, not SNL). In the first few times HAMMOND featured him, the target was Tweety himself -- manically interrupting, spitting, and drooling. However, the characterization evolved, not true to the original, where Tweety became the "rational" character surrounded by oddball, extremist "guests", with HAMMOND-Tweety shaking his head in disbelief at their partisan spin.   

"Turning" from Being a Democrat. He (like G.E.RUSSERT and Pat CADDELL) still trades on having been a Democrat in the CARTER/O'NEILL era. In the hothouse of big time political flunkydom, STATUS and POWER come from the SUCCESS of your boss. RAYGUN kicked Tweety's bosses' rears, and Tweety gravitated to admiring that "success". When he started up his media career he was mentored by G.E. RUSSERT, who had himself already started "turning" by "reaching out" to LIMBOsevic and expending his formerly-Lib-bleeding-heart on those poor wingnuts who had been maligned and marginalized by the Liberal Elite, lo those many years. Tweety started doing video valentines to RAYGUN, promenading arm in arm with Nancy. He might have tapped into the frenzy of the FAKE impeachment, but "hatred of the CLINTONs" isn't what made him turn. The last time he was identifiably a Democrat was sometime around 1988 when Hardball (the book) was published.  Throughout the year of Campaign 2000 he savaged the Dem candidate daily and went on to years of bromance over Shrub, renouncing any Democratic heritage.  He said his parents were “cloth coat" (Rethugs), and that basically what first drew him to the Dem side was Irish-Catholic pride over JFK.  Not ideology, not idealism.  He said the reason he joined the Peace Corps was specifically to avoid going to Vietnam. 

How Tweety "Executed" DONAHUE on MSNBC. Tweety was on his book tour for another one of his "books" (large type, wide spaces between lines, blank half-pages). It was in the jingoistic hysteria in the run-up to the illegal Iraq attack. The book was about supposed "Americanism" -- an American Civ 101 ripoff about books and movies and cultural stuff that are essentially American (think, "The Great Gatsby" ). So Phil welcomed him as a colleague and peer on Phil's MSNBC show for the full hour to plug the book. From the moment he appeared, there was a strange, deadly snake look in Tweety's snake eyes. Phil was walking around the audience, apparently not sensing anything, while Tweety was motionless, following him only with his eyes. Phil brought up something or other questioning blind, kneejerk jingoism, and Tweety STRUCK! He started out with venom dripping, "You see, THIS is EXACTLY what's wrong with YOU Liberals: You are NEGATIVE about this country, you find NOTHING good about it," and on and on. It took awhile before Phil figured out what was happening. Later, Phil, devastated and spent, was sitting at the table with Tweety and, weaker and weaker, did some of his trademark shoulder shrugging and arm waving. Tweety delivered the coup de grace, "What's THIS (mimicking the movements)??!! What's with the --APE-- movements???!" Days or a week or two later, Phil's cancellation was announced and took effect. 

How Tweety "Triggered" a Gun Incident (re: Kathleen WILLEY). At the height of the FAKE impeachment, Ms WILLEY claimed that a mystery jogger had threatened her or her cat or somebody, with the insinuation that there was a CLINTON connection. Several months later, there was gossip that the jogger had been identified. Tweety hosted her and it appeared they had discussed the identity off camera. He tried mightily to get her to say the name on the air, which she wouldn't do. Finally, he himself blurted it out, "Was it (Name/Surname)?" She wouldn’t confirm it. Within days there was a bizarre incident, with the mentally disabled brother of Pat and Bay BUCHANAN going with a gun to the house of the supposed jogger named by Tweety, where there were only some foreign exchange students present. Later it was determined that the person Tweety named on the air had NOTHING to do with the supposed jogger incident. 

"Heroes" Tweety and Tom DeLAY. In the aftermath of the 07-24-98 shooting of two Capitol police officers when the slain officers were duly eulogized and called heroes, Tweety latched on to this, the way we have seen him attempt to glorify himself in other instances: Like saying he was assigned to Africa in the Peace Corps and "WALKED THE SAME GROUND" THAT CHURCHILL had passed through. Or when he said, "I am an ICON! I have been 'done' by SNL!". So now that the Capitol policemen were being called heroes, Tweety came forward to say that HE had been a Capitol policemen, TOO, JUST LIKE THEM, when he was starting out. It turns out that he had worked a (temporary?) job for three months as that. In all the years before the officers were shot and eulogized, he probably NEVER referred to that job, most likely thinking of it as a rent-a-cop turn, until he could see in retrospect the glory that he had been DESTINED to from the beginning.  

But he is not the only glory hog. When that incident was happening, the news of the moment reported that Tom DELAY had hopped a plane out of town and immediately turned around in Houston when the incident was over. This show of courage is why he has been dubbed, "Tom-DePLANE!-DePLANE!-DELAY".  But searches of countless news reports of that time show no mention of the hopping-the-plane. Only this is left: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm /... "...House members, many rushing out of town, did not have to remain behind. DeLay slipped out the main door of the Capitol less than 15 minutes after the shooting. He looked stricken. Asked if he'd seen anything, he said, "Did I ever. I don't want to talk about it." Aides rushed him into his waiting car. ...."------------







jrthin

(4,836 posts)
9. The only thing I will remember about Tweety is this:
Sat May 29, 2021, 05:32 PM
May 2021

During the run-up to the 2016 election the former guy would go on his show. He was asked why he never questioned the former guy about the birtherism claim, and Tweety explained that the reason he would never ask the former guy the question was that the former guy would never do his show again if he'd ask. I found that despicable and consequently I find Tweety despicable.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
10. I never disliked Tweety...
Sat May 29, 2021, 05:34 PM
May 2021

...with the same intensity as some.

He was a pretty fair progressive writer when he was with the San Francisco paper.

He has a lot of stories to tell.

H2O Man

(73,577 posts)
15. And he did
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:57 PM
May 2021

some good writing when he worked for some good Democrats. My guess is that most people here are unable to identify any of the speeches he wrote back then. But he was good.

H2O Man

(73,577 posts)
14. Recommended.
Sat May 29, 2021, 07:56 PM
May 2021

He's a curious character. I respected that he placed the Plame Scandal in Cheney's office, before other journalists did. He can be a tad obnoxious, but I like him. And he's a good author. Not a great author, but definitely good.

PCIntern

(25,568 posts)
16. Longtime DUers might recall tgat I had dinner with
Sat May 29, 2021, 08:00 PM
May 2021

ambassador Joseph Wilson one night here in Philly. I specifically asked him why Republicans lie about everything, no matter how trivial, and his reply was that they do that “just to keep in shape”. He then went on to excoriate Tweety by saying that idiots like Chris Matthews assist in the perpetuation of the lies by accepting them as gospel truth and allowing the assumption of same to rule.

Kid Berwyn

(14,933 posts)
19. Thank you.
Sat May 29, 2021, 08:30 PM
May 2021

May the good Ambassador continue on his journey, with the wind in his face, in the next world and beyond.

Mr.Bill

(24,311 posts)
20. I like him when he first came on MSNBC. I read his book.
Sat May 29, 2021, 08:35 PM
May 2021

I thought he was a tough interviewer. When someone would say "a lot of people are saying" he would abrubtly say "name one". His constant worship of Reagan always bothered me, though. Reagan was Trump with a jovial demeanor.

He had a good run, his act was worn out, though. I wish him no ill will.

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