Anderson Cooper does another feature on UFOs on mainstream media.

[elevator]

And he commits the same errors and omissions almost all the mainstream
hosts do. 1) He offers the possibility that this could be Russian or Chinese technology, without emphasizing the obvious fact that this would represent the most incredible and improbable intelligence failure in the history of the US, if not history entirely. He does not explain, either, that the UFO/UAP phenomenon dates back many decades, if not much longer, which makes another country possessing this technology secretly virtually impossible. He reports as if the UFO/UAP subject is a recent discovery, when the military has known and investigated these objects for years. 2) Neither he, along with others in the mainstream media and government want to contemplate and discuss openly the world changing outcomes of an alien presence in our lives. There would be nothing of comparable magnitude in mankind's history.

It is time to have a serious conversation, about our response and preparation, to the only alternative to this technology being developed and possessed by humans and that is, it is of alien origin. Whether that be from another planet, dimension/time or unlikely, unknown hidden civilization somewhere on earth.

I am not at all convinced the alien hypothesis is the correct one, but I need someone to provide better explanations and answers than we are being given by people who give no credence to the possibility.

[qazplm135]

1. So let's make the assumption that some percentage

of these are not weather balloons or tech glitches or what have you. Real phenomena.

Then what are the possibilities?

1. Advanced US tech.
2. Advanced tech from another nation
3. Some sort of natural phenomenon we have yet to categorize
4. Aliens
5. Some sort of other terrestrial civilization (future, underground, underwater, ancient and hidden).

I can't think of any other possibilities, again, ignoring for the sake of argument the possibility that these are all glitches, misinterpretations, etc...which is, of course, a real possibility.

If I had to rank order, that's probably the order I'd rank them in.Thing is I'd say there's a huge gap between 1 and 2, a small gap between 2 and 3, a huge gap between 3 and 4, and a small gap between 4 and 5.

The most likely, by far, explanation, if it's not the glitch, etc one, is that this is secret US tech, despite protestations otherwise. If I were going to test new, secret US tech that had some futuristic abilities, what better adversary to pick on this planet than the US military's conventional forces?

I concur, the chances of the Russians or Chinese having tech like this, but yet being incapable of building a functional fifth generation aircraft, is beyond unlikely. Hell, I don't think they have three deepwater aircraft carriers between them.
But aliens? I'm sorry, that's just a really, really big leap that is going to require a LOT of evidence for, to the exclusion of US secret projects or natural phenomena.

Does that make it impossible? Of course not. But a good scientist evaluates and dismisses the more likely possibilities first before jumping to less likely alternatives.

[elevator]

2. There are two possibilities as I stated above. Alien or human.

Whether that is unknown humans, or future humans. The chances of weather, or some other natural phenomenon occurring over many decades without being identified are miniscule. And the overwhelming reports of mechanical craft, apparently under some type of control, bely the natural explanations as well.

And you are repeating the error of treating this as a recent story involving the US military or industry. Again these type of reports have been going on globally virtually before mankind even had the power of flight and the chances of keeping this type of technology secret for that long are staggeringly low.

Time to start leaping brother, because the likely possibilities you espouse appear very unlikely as well when evaluated honestly.

[qazplm135]

5. I didn't repeat any error

My listing is independent of time.

People spent most of mankind describing fairies, demons, angels, sprites and wood nymphs, should I count those too?

You've already decided it's aliens. I've listed possibilities to be explored and tested. One's science and one isn't.

[elevator]

21. Parts of your listings are time dependent, and don't quote me incorrectly.

Any technology developed by the US or other countries would be within the last 50-75 years. The reports of engineered craft pre-date that time frame by decades if not longer.

Count whatever you like. No real photos, films or videos exist of mythical creatures.

If you can read and comprehend, then look again at my statement I don't believe or profess to know if they are alien.

LOL. Possibilities to be explored and tested? How do you test for technology that, as Arthur C. Clarke states would be basically indistinguishable from magic.

[qazplm135]

23. Lol

No real photos, films or videos of UFOs predate 75 years either.

There's no evidence any of these things are "indistinguishable from magic" simply that some of them are things we haven't been able to identify...yet.

But with all of your little childish insults simply because I don't agree with you, discussion is pointless.

[elevator]

26. To be clear

You pulled the ethically challenged move of claiming I said something I clearly did not. You deserve more than a childish insult. Dishonesty should disqualify you from continuing.

And you have mis-stated the truth (being kind) again by claiming there are no "real photos" prior to 1950. Demonstrably false if you care to do a search.

[qazplm135]

27. thanks

for clarifying that you aren't a person worth engaging with.

[elevator]

28. Thanks for the withdrawal.

Always tough to engage with folks who won't debate honestly.
Either come with the truth, or don't come at all.

[sprinkleeninow]

3. The US Gov. knows what's what and they ain't sayin'/will not say.

[lagomorph777]

17. I don't think they know.

It would save them a whole lot of headaches to just admit one of these things:

(1) It's our tech and ain't it grand? Enemies, tremble. Congress, send more money so we can make more of them.

(2) It's Russian or Chinese, oh my! Americans, tremble. Congress, send more money so we can catch up.

(3) It's aliens; we're negotiating a deal to return the bodies we have in liquid nitrogen at Area 51. Congress, send more money so we can buy some shit from them.

They would, if they could.

[electric_blue68]

44. hee, hee. A good consolidation.

[ansible]

7. The mainstream media push with all this is just absolutely bizarre

Not too long ago the idea of all the news stations running stories like these would get you laughed at and mocked

[speaknow]

6. something more important than UFO'S

You see the price of a jar of pickles?

[Rstrstx]

8. Meh, just a kinked line of code in our simulation

Nothing more nothing less. They’ll probably take it out of the next Ancestral Simulation run; whenever they set the parameters ufo=yes and intelligence=moderate/low it always causes trouble (tends to generate too many Q bug errors).

[Duppers]

11. ....

[TomWilm]

9. Just to repeat myself...

My biggest question is why this media craze is taken so serious.

Flir1 (also called Nimitz, or TicTac) is a fuzzy blob in the distance. It does not move (although it jumps around when the camera changes zoom settings or does a gimbal lock correction). There's what looks like a final "zipping away at high speed" at the end of the video, but it's actually just the camera no-longer tracking the object, combined with a change in zoom that gives the illusion of speed.

Gimbal is a saucer-shaped infrared glare. It rotates because the camera is rotating to counter gimbal lock. We can prove this because there are other light patterns in the sky that rotate at the same time the glare rotates. The video is consistent with a jet engine several miles away. it does not have any sudden acceleration.

Go Fast is what looks like a cool object moving rapidly across the surface of the ocean. However, the angles and range on the screen allow us to triangulate the position and speed of the object. It turns out it's actually moving quite slowly (under 50 knots) and is quite high (13,000 feet). It does not accelerate at all. In fact, it most closely resembles a balloon, or possibly even a large gliding bird.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/are-the-navy-ufos-real-or-just-in-the-low-information-zone.10921/

https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/pentagon-ufos-to-the-stars-academy-ttsa-ufo-media-frenzy/

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7wjzg/the-skeptics-guide-to-the-pentagons-ufo-videos

I was a long time member of an investigative UFO association. I would like to believe in all this funny stuff, but is also educated as a journalist...

[Cetacea]

12. I'll see what our government has to say

[TomWilm]

14. I do not trust governments!

Let us see what the Internets has to say about this!

[Mr. Sparkle]

16. what you posted was a load of horse shit , no offense

This is a detailed analysis on what went on with the gimbal video

[TomWilm]

19. Next time post something without Angels Choir music ...

... and a way too exited speaker. Then I might take it serious. All I could get from your video was evidence that computers has fully taken over the visuals, and pilots are overconfident on their machines skill. And besides all that technological help, they still again and again are confused by the real world, and bombs innocent wedding parties...

[Mr. Sparkle]

20. I literally got nothing from yours only a bunch of conspiracy theory nonsense.

i would gladly take the word of well trained fighter pilots over a bunch of conspiracy loons on the internet.

[USALiberal]

33. lol, really? Nt

[elevator]

22. LOL. You are trying to explain 3-4 recent events. The UFO/UAP phenomenon

goes back decades and decades.

[frogmarch]

24. Thanks for your post and

also for the links.

[Duppers]

10. Perfect critique of Anderson Cooper's horrible reporting

If he couldn't have researched this and been logical, he should have said nothing.

Yes, UFO have seen and reported for decades, even in ancient times. They are not some secret U.S., Russian or Chinese invention. Your conclusion is right and most astute. Our govt knows aliens exist but believes telling the public the truth would upset too many people.

And wouldn't the truth impact religious beliefs?


For a number of various reasons,
I'm convinced we are being visited.

Elevator, thanks for your post!

[Cetacea]

13. Did he make the obligatory comment from anchor people about "little green men?"

No mainstream report on UFOs is complete without, though the upcoming report should change that.

[Duppers]

29. If he did, I didn't catch it.

That's one small thing to his credit.

[elevator]

31. Thanks and it's amazing really isn't it?

How people keep repeating the same old tired tropes about grainy, blurry photos and videos, when their are hundreds that are clear and startling. And of course the military are in possession of many, many more going back decades that they have not released. This has been attested to by dozens of former military people.

The Catholic church began to prepare for disclosure several years back by discussing that the fact of beings living in other places in space/time does not disprove the truth of God.

I am not convinced that the alien hypothesis is correct, but the odds of human development of the observed technology is very low imo. However, humans from the future could be a plausible scenario. Dr. Michael Masters book "Identified Flying Objects" is a fascinating read about this possibility.

[Cetacea]

35. skeptics keep moving the goal posts

Now that everyone carries a camera there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of clear videos and photos, and it's still not good enough. Check out UFO institute channel on you tube. There are tons of videos from everyday people, and this video froom the National UFO Reporting Center has seven hours of recorded call-ins, many from state troopers. Good stuff.:

I thought the Catholic Church's statement of ETs was a good sign that a major disclosure was around the corner. To be a fly on the wall in the Vatican basement..

[elevator]

39. Thanks. I'm aware of that sight from the director appearing with Richard Dolan.

Skeptics are desperate and playing whack-a-mole. They are tossing out increasingly ridiculous tropes that few people with a pulse will believe.

With only two real choices regarding the origin of these craft. Human or alien, and with the human alternative increasingly unlikely, it is past time for serious discussion about what an alien presence would mean for our world.

IMO, the aliens, if they are indeed here, certainly have the capability to cause us catastrophic harm. As far as we know they have not done so. They certainly could be carrying out some clandestine activities of which humans, or at least most humans have no idea. It is all very interesting to me. And along with what Lee Harvey Oswald's role in the JFK assassination truly was, two of the mysteries I've hoped to discover the truth about before departing.

[Cetacea]

40. Agreed

I've heard one estimate that the technology that the Government has been studying since 1950(!) is 1000 years ahead of ours. Someone mentioned Occam's Razor.

"What is the truth, where did it go? Ask Oswald and Ruby, they ought to know"
Dylan, "Murder Most Foul", 2020

[elevator]

41. Yep. trying to back engineer the tech would be like someone from the middle

ages trying to understand a cell phone, computer or tv. Just not possible.

[ecstatic]

42. There's a 3rd choice

Something really large that lives in parts of the ocean that humans don't have access to. Something that can fly, swim, and generate lights. Something that can hide in plain sight.

[elevator]

43. Yeah and some of them are saucer shaped, and some triangular and some

are spherical and some are boomerang shaped and fly at tens of thousands of mph.

[Cetacea]

37. +1000

I do not believe the general public is ready any more. If there are aliens visiting us, they already know how we treat intelligent life in our oceans and one another.

[Duppers]

38. K & R x 1000

A couple of yrs ago, greyl posted the saddest true story of a captive dolphin used in a study; this poor dolphin committed suicide!!

I looked for the post but couldn't find it. Sorry. (Greyl is a great guy, btw.)

I hate people in general; too many are ignorant, insensitive, self-righteous assholes.

[Sympthsical]

15. The media also had the Summer of the Shark unnecessarily

We forget about it, because 9/11 happened right after.

Basically, sometimes the media get bored. Some random topic comes up, and they just run with it for whatever reason because they figure it makes good ratings. Without Trump, cable news ratings have been slumping hard. Biden's kind of a boring, no drama guy (thank god). So, they've started seizing on random things to get some eyeballs.

It looks like we're in for the Summer of UAPs (Whereas last summer was the Summer of WAPs).

As someone who has spent his entire adult life studying astronomy and cosmology as a serious hobby, I've neither seen nor learned anything that convinces me we have aliens zipping around. The technology required to traverse the scale of the galaxy is unfathomable. So, we have an intelligence that can do that, and all they really want to do is fuck around with pilots?

Think of when mysterious lights moved in odd formations some years back. It was in the news, on the internet.

Now we have cheap drones making faces in the sky during sports events.

Occam's Razor and all that.

[USALiberal]

34. +1000!! Nt

[panader0]

18. I'm an unwitting alien.

I sent my 23and Me saliva sample back and they replied that they couldn't find anything.
So they sent me another free test. I sent it back and they said the same thing.
I'm not sure what part of the universe I'm from, or what I'm supposed to be doing on earth.
I'm a stranger in a strange land.

[Duppers]

30. Wow!

[triron]

25. Michio Kaku estimates there are roughly 1 billion earth like planets in out galaxy alone amongst a

trillion galaxies. How can we be so pompous and presumptive as to think we are the only technological civilization?
And our sun is not that old. There are probably civilizations millions of years older than ours.

[USALiberal]

32. FFS, it is NOT Aliens! Nt

[Cetacea]

36. Then we have a very serious Natonal Secirity problem.

And the report does not rule out aliens, nor that Russia or China have figured out how to defy the laws of physics as we know them.

[electric_blue68]

45. While I haven't made up my mind...

I think it's possible - non-terrestrials, that is.
Only because I have heard a few pretty incredible
stories over 2 decades (not recently, though)


I hadn't really thought about humans from the future.
One possibly good thing about that is that we've lasted
longer than we might have thought.

With so many solar systems out there in so many galaxies, and since life can thrive in such a various range of habitats - the sheer numbers to me say to me; it's possible.

Who knows for sure whether intelligent space-faring life couldn't develope in environments we currently consider "iffy".

Tangential topic-
One of the best SF World's with a multitude of non-terestrials from several galaxies - is in David Brin's 2 Uplift Series,m Trilogies, with a stand alone chronologicaly first novel - Sun Diver.
Highly recommened! For those who don't know him. He's an Astrophysicist, and futurist.