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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsQuestion has anyone been asked to present their proof of vaccine to employer.
Im pinch hitting as a Union steward as our one steward is out on fmla reason his wife is unfortunately a Covid long haul suffer but she survived and thats awesome. On proof of vax i did so voluntarily a picture of my cdc card by email to safety director.
Yet we have fear of big brother amongst the Union ranks that it will become company policy down the road and if you are not vaccinated you do not work, what started this fear is somebody posted on the information board a article that companies should Allow employees vaccination on company time and the Q platoon members interpreted the article into a shit house rumor , the article actually read workplace vaccinations, to allow employees to get it on company time and we do.
So I been trying to calm the Qanon branch fears at my local terminal , and playing Union steward I take care of my people always my mantra Im with the worker. Yet this one Im really pro vax in my response to the friends coworkers, I try to be rational in talking I point out the reason Im pinch hitting as Union steward, is that our regular stew is out due to his dear wife and Covid. Or Ill point out after my first vaccine I caught the shit and for about twelve days I felt like I had a terrible hangover.
So in my thought if it comes to mandatory vaccines to work. If it comes down to it I will represent these people in a fight not to receive the vaccine and still work I know it makes no sense to those of us yet Im Union never side with the company, yet Im dealing with individuals who believe in conspiracy theories and Qanon is their church and trumpig is the messiah , I told business agent if this happens Im kicking every single Qanon grievance to you so you can earn your cash. Im sitting in on grievance today , nothing major just the usual Union / company fight, yet afterwards going to sit with business agent and I think one Union lawyer who we have to start putting together a argument of fools if it comes down to mandatory vaccination , gonna be long day take care and have good day to Du community and those that you love.
ananda
(28,876 posts)Everyone who now plays at the bridge club has
to be fully vaccinated and show their card.
bamagal62
(3,269 posts)But my husbands just did. If they upload a copy of their vaccination card, they can work in the building without a mask.
3Hotdogs
(12,405 posts)mandate vaccines. Exemptions are allowed for "deeply held" religious beliefs and medical reasons.
Religious reasons ... Wonder if everyone will become a Witness.
Medical reason, friend had a bad reaction from October flu shot and was told by her physician to not get the vaccine.
SYFROYH
(34,183 posts)Emergency Use Authorization vaccines.
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)But, EEOC released a memorandum saying requiring the COVID vaccine would not violate any regulations they enforce.
For those with reasons clearly covered under ADA, reasonable accommodation still applies.
But those situations should be rare.
https://www.eeoc.gov/newsroom/eeoc-issues-updated-covid-19-technical-assistance
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,429 posts)I'm an owner/operator of a trucking company consisting of one truck and one driver, so I guess I had to show my card to myself.
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)And video for evidence? LOL!
Can't be too careful! You might sue yourself!
bottomofthehill
(8,346 posts)Proof of vaccination was required for entry into work events.
RegularJam
(914 posts)Its a first of a kind vaccine that is not approved by the FDA. So many people have gone through hell over the last year and now we want every single citizen to take this vaccine that is not approved by the FDA.
Yes, I got the vaccine. I did my research and asked my doctor. There are still questions none of us can answer about the vaccine. Vaccine hesitancy has to be understood and its not all Q and conspiracy theories. There are legitimate concerns.
I will never force my employees to take a non-approved vaccine in order to maintain employment under these circumstances. I will strongly suggest they get it.
The whole conversation might change with me once the vaccine is approved. That said I even doubt that as we are looking at over seventy percent of the adult population being vaccinated.
Sorry folks. Covid is forever a part of life including the countless variants that will come about. Covid is about to turn from a winning message for us to a losing message. By turning I mean like now. Push the vaccine to friends and family and move forward.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)and courts HAVE upheld the legality of employers to require vaccination. Sorry, but there are bigger issues than the hurt feelings of conspiracy nuts. As a primary HCW who has seen far more than her share of avoidable death this year, including colleagues trying to save the lives of others, I am out of F...ks to give over this idiocy.
RegularJam
(914 posts)The vaccine is not approved.
I made no legal argument. That addition of yours is a fallacy.
I also have zero concern if you hurt the feelings of conspiracy nuts.
Being out of fucks has little to no real world consequences. Feel free to require your employees to be vaccinated. Its a personal employer position, as you highlighted.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)And your compassion (lack thereof) is noted. Not just an RW trait, along with making excuses for CT-advocates, apparently.
RegularJam
(914 posts)The rest isnt worthy of a reply.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)given full approval of the vaccines and have either fully vaccinated their entire population or are on their way to do so. Is that not enough regulatory approval for you? Most of these countries have higher standards for their food than we do.
RegularJam
(914 posts)It is not FDA approved.
The cornerstone of what you bring forward is a fallacy.
This sentence defies logic as a reply to what I wrote.
Is that not enough regulatory approval for you?
I dont mind debate but I have no interest in unethical debate tactics(fallacies) or debating someone who clearly didnt read all of what they replied to.
drray23
(7,637 posts)We have an on-site clinic with doctors and nurses. We can show proof of vaccination to them and we are allowed to work without a mask. Those that refuse can not be on site all the tome, wear a mask when they are and otherwise work remotely if their job allows for it
Orrex
(63,223 posts)if we want to enter or work in the company office without a mask.
This, after spending a year to deny and downplay the reality of the pandemic.
I decline to submit my card, and I will continue to wear my mask, because I have seen that too many of my coworkers cant be trusted to maintain safe, responsible behavior.
Volaris
(10,274 posts)Yes, company can mandate post-FDA approval. Yes, the union has a responsibility to be defiant to company policies it deems overbearing.
I'd try and make the argument that this is a rare case of Common Ground.. the government is going to err on the side of private sector decision-making (instead of forced shots for all citizens), and THIS TIME the union happens to agree as it's about employee health and wellness, insurance stuff, etc.
Theres 2 ways to leash the invisible hand...big government, or unions and management WORKING TOGETHER. Tell the q-loons at work to try think of this, not so much as the hand bitch-slapping them, but offering them a rare handjob lol, on the argument that youd rather the company be giving the orders than the Big Ebil Gubmint. Not sure what kind of mileage you'll actually get out if it, but anything's better than having to keep making phone calls to the lawyers right?
(On Edit) personally, I cant wait till the day its company required to get, or keep, ones job. Almost half our clinical staff declined, despite the company paying for shots. Idiots. Part time job, one of the managers has already said hed quit rather than get his--fine nobody likes you anyway lol--but I promise he will raise all sorts of Cancel Culture Hell about it before he actually quits.
These people piss me off. I'm looking forward to hearing them yelp like hit dogs when the Hand slaps the fuck out of them.
xmas74
(29,676 posts)Most of the unions fought for safety issues, including PPE. They are backing the vaccine as a safety issue.
Once it has full approval I don't see many unions taking up the antivaxxer fight unless it's religious or medical exemption. Even with those exemptions you can be moved from one area or position to another if not being vaccinated puts the member, their coworkers or customers/clients/patients at risk.
I've had late night calls from members, asking I'll be their steward if they refuse. I've already said once there is full approval they don't have a fight,nor should they. We've lost enough patients in the past year to covid. There is no reason to refuse and possibly contract and spread.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,553 posts)We only have a few people who are not vaccinated and so everyone can be maskless in the office
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)For those who will returning to the office on a voluntary basis after the July 4th holiday, my company made the decision that you must be vaccinated to do so, and you have to fill out a form about the vaccination.
They haven't made a decision yet whether vaccinations will be required of everyone for the overall return to the office in the fall.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)They have said they will require vaccination for everyone to attend etc. in the fall. I have to forward my vaccination card info to a link. I am very happy to see that its about time. Its only a matter of time before the vaccines become regular authorization and it should be required. If youre not going to get vaccinated you dont get to participate in education, employment and many other work environments and public places. Unless you have a valid medical excuse which most people dont have. This will make a safer world for everyone. You dont have the right to endanger others with your craziness about vaccinations. One of my fathers doctors also made a copy of his vaccination card at a recent appointment.
liberal_mama
(1,495 posts)employees are vaccinated.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)...and the company can go fuck themselves.
My company gave us paid time off to get both vaccine doses, so we had to show proof.