Biden needs to make a swing through

[Boydog]

West Virginia and Arizona and have Manchin and Sinema accompany him. He needs to sell his programs to these people which could make a real difference.

[forthemiddle]

1. What would that do in W Virginia?

Trump won 68.62 to Biden 32.1.

I don’t think Biden appealing to West Virginia voters would hold much sway.

[Boydog]

2. Biden has a grass roots appeal that these folks would love

Trump made them a bunch promises that he never kept. Biden is actually diving in and providing real help in a lot of different ways.

[forthemiddle]

3. So you predict West Virginia going blue in 2024?

Ok......

[Boydog]

4. No but I think if Biden toured West Virginia

and explained his proposals he would get a good reception and some would come over to his side. Explaining that he’s not planning on taking all their guns and that he’s not going to restrict their right to worship would go a long way. So many of these folks just hear the republican talking points.

[brooklynite]

6. So Biden couldn't make that case to WV voters in the Election, but he can do it now?

[Boydog]

7. You know as well as I that West Va was written off

Showing up there and speaking to those folks on their turf would mean a lot.

[Demsrule86]

15. I don't think it would make a difference myself.

[Mysterian]

10. What's your plan?

Just give up on the red states?

[Tanuki]

14. Have you forgotten that WV was once so reliably Democratic that it was

one of few states that went for Mike Dukakis in 1988? And that was 20 years after the "Southern Strategy" flipped many traditionally blue states to red.

[brooklynite]

16. And VA was one reliably Republican.

The underlying point is that the post I responded to suggested that Biden drag Manchin back to WV and use his "grassroots appeal" to convince voters to pressure Manchin to go along with the Democratic Leadership's policy positions. In TODAY's WV, that's not going to happen.

[Boydog]

5. No but I think if Biden toured West Virginia

and explained his proposals he would get a good reception and some would come over to his side. Explaining that he’s not planning on taking all their guns and that he’s not going to restrict their right to worship would go a long way. So many of these folks just hear the republican talking points. There might be enough support for Biden’s proposals that Manchin could easily support them. Stranger things have happened.

[Boydog]

9. No but I think Dems should spend more time there. Who would have thought Georgia was a possibility.

[Demsrule86]

13. I have for years thought Georgia was trending our way. WVA is not. It had the highest vote

margin for Trump of any state. But I will say this. President Obama campaigned in all 50 states thanks to a contested primary...it was close in 08-way closer than 16. Also, Howard Dean ran a 50 state campaign for the Senate and the House. And that is what needs to happen again.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

11. It makes more sense to bring his influence to bear on a couple of senators who actually

have power, rather than on a bunch of West Virginians who may or may not be convinced to act indirectly on those senators.

[Demsrule86]

12. These people want his programs already...