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The Democratic Party is at a crucial crossroads. This is, of course, in the context of Joe Manchin. Though the Democrats have the 50 + 1 majority in the Senate, on the current path, Manchin will always betray our party by voting with the republicans on important issues.. The alternative path, as Manchin's supporters point out, is to risk Manchin losing his now comfortable spot to a republican, who will vote exactly like Manchin on every important issue. One path leads to the destruction of democracy in our country, and the other to the destruction of democracy in our country. Let us chose wisely, without ever considering that there are other options.
malaise
(269,054 posts)Is Tim Scott going to stay with the racists?
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)There do not seem to be any republicans in the Senate who would qualify for inclusion in an expanded version of JFK's "Profiles in Courage." Mitt appears to be the boldest, while another sometimes expresses "concern." I'm reminded of what Senator Eugene McCarthy said about republicans in 1966 -- that they are much like mold, having very little evidence of life, yet hard to get rid of.
Dave says
(4,618 posts)H2O Man
(73,559 posts)Is it possible to take that first step, and recognize that our actions aren't handcuffed to two options? Might we watch the end of the classic flick "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest," and consider that Randall Patrick McMurphy might have made a valid point?
brush
(53,791 posts)H2O Man
(73,559 posts)Here are a few ideas, coming from my old and disorganized mind:
I'd start with the questions of is it better to try to lessen Manchin's influence within the Democratic Party/ Senate, or to support a primary challenger against him when he is up for re-election? As his most recent re-election was in 2018, it suggests that people not only have time to consider what -- if anything -- they are willing to do, there is also the option of changing one's opinion. That would likely depend upon factors involving Manchin's behaviors as a US Senator.
One option is for leadership to identify, hopefully soon, those elections in 2022 where we could potentially win one or more seats. At the same time, we need to be fully aware of what seats we are going to have the most difficulty in winning re-election. I find it useful to study the list of the approximately one-third of the Senate seats that will be contested:
https://www.dailypress.senate.gov/?page_id=25246
In my opinion, we have our work cut out for us, regardless of how we view Manchin. His role has to be viewed in both state and national contexts. Our goal isn't to cut off Joe's nose, in spite of his face.
Let's consider what Democrats in West Virginia seem to want, what they are okay with, and what they are not okay with. Since he has been elected to the Senate three times, after holding important state offices, he obviously gets the votes needed to maintain his position. More, many people -- himself included -- are convinced that only a conservative Democrat can win in that state. And, in recent times, that appears to have been true. But having been true does not mean it will remain true for eternity.
Within the state's Democratic Party, there is a range of opinions, as there are in every state. There are progressives, liberals, moderates, and conservatives in our party. It is safe to say that Joe's strongest support comes from those two groups on the right -- moderate and conservative Democrats. Likewise, he is more likely to frustrate liberals, and potentially lose any support from progressives.
His campaign people know who has or has not supported him financially. For the sake of this conversation, I'll stick with real live human beings, rather than industry-corporate financing. If those who have donated contacted his office, and made clear they will not help again if he doesn't change his behavior, he would take notice. If the liberals and progressive contact his office to say they will consider supporting a primary challenger, Joe will be aware of it. Of course, these factors alone are not going to change his mind.
However, if in the next few years, he becomes aware that the liberals are organizing voter registration programs on each college and university campus, and the progressives work to increase the amount of support for a primary challenger among the Democratic Left, he is likely to get the message.
People from other states need not opt to be helpless bystanders. It is possible, for example, for us to simply send a letter or postcard to Mancin's office, saying "I will donate to a primary challenger if you don't act like a Democrat," it could get his attention -- if enough people do so. Also, progressive and liberal organizations have the ability to participate in voter education-registration-participation at those colleges and universities. Heck, they could even do so in low-income neighborhoods, including working with the local leadership within these communities. Obviously, this would require a primary challenger that -- unlike Manchin -- appeals to these populations.
That's just from the top of my fat head, although it is rooted in experience with elections on the local and regional levels.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)Saoirse9
(3,680 posts)to all of us and tell us what we need to do next.
Everyone is worn out from the constant worry and stress. The People knocked themselves out in 2020 to get rid of 45 and elect Ossoff and Warnock. We busted our asses and were still not fucking done?
Things are a lot better temporarily so we get a little relief but the stress is really too much. For me anyway.
Were at war. Weve had some serious setbacks. And were tired of fighting. We need hope.
I cant think of anyone better able to give us hope than President Biden.
So lets hear from our leader.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)I would like to hear President Biden speak about this. Of course, I like hearing him speak about anything and everything. For that matter, I'd be more than fine if VP Harris were the one to address it.
We have a solid team in the White House. And a pretty solid team in the House and Senate, minus one.
Yet what is necessary to promote our party's agenda -- and, indeed, democracy itself -- is a more active participation by the grass roots.
CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)Never.
The republicans and other entities will ALWAYS be looking to subvert our democracy. Bank on that.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman shared a story with me. (Actually, he told me many over the decades. I liked hearing about his however-many-great grandfathers meeting with Ben Franklin, to discuss democracy.)
There was once a boy, who was tasked with following a path. The path had some difficult sections the boy wasn't in a hurry to travel, so he sat down in the shade and rested. Soon, resting became his favorite hobby. When he finally decided to follow that path, it had become overgrown, and could no longer be recognized.
Obviously, in this context, the path is democracy, and only by following it continuously is democracy realized. It is an almost constant struggle, with some very rewarding areas to travel.
There will always be opposition to -- and enemies of -- democracy. Yet that is the very last excuse anyone could make for resting, rather than following that path.
Thanks H2O Man
Let us choose wisely.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)Since I spoke of Ben Franklin in my last post on this thread, I shall quote him here:
"When passions drive, let reason hold the reins."
spanone
(135,844 posts)H2O Man
(73,559 posts)though I haven't always lived up to it!
Ben Franklin understood the Power of Ideas.
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)I know it's a longshot, but Biden could appoint/hire one of them so that they can be replaced by a democrat. Some of them might take the offer, we can't give up before trying EVERY option!
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215471928
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Also, need to outbid their current funding - what's the exchange rate today for Roubles to Dollars?
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)Saoirse9
(3,680 posts)Link to tweet
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There are still options for Senator Manchin. And that includes some options on changing the rules on filibusters. I thank you for always reminding myself and others that we should rarely allow ourselves to but two options. Even when it came to something as uniting as impeaching Dog-nuts Trump, there were a few options on what to charge him with, in the first instance.
I always appreciate your contributions to discussions on this forum!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)...their jobs go away if our democracy goes away.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)Thank you, lagomorph777 !
I agree 100%. It is a shame that this community does not engage in organized activities such as this.